The Four H's of MMOs: Hatred, Happiness, Hope

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, cancelled my WoW account, and this time likely for good. Happy that there's finally a game designed for people who actually want to pvp.

    I miss the early days of crossroads and alterac valley, but thats gone for good.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ok, so I decided to see this ramparts video and noticed the host of the show pops his collar on his shirt.

    /facepalm

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Hate: FUCK You Blizzard! I try to do lowbie quests to get the loremaster title. on the PTR server i find that i need 380(730 total) quests in Kalimdor and 150(700 total) quests in EK to finish the old school content(as alliance).

    Do you know how hard thats going to be? especialy since they all are "low level" now and dont show up on the mini map. They could at least add an option to let you see them if you want, Its not like its a big programing task. Put it in as an option in the interface options: want to see low level quests y/n.

    You're in luck! There is now a low level quest tracker that's coming with the patch.

    Yup, but it means toggling off your other map tracking things. (Find Minerals, Find Herbs etc)

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    That isn't that bad, though. How often do you find a mining node when you're running around darkshore looking for lowbie quests that you missed?

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  • GarthorGarthor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Weren't there screenshots of underwater zones and stuff pre-BC?

    That's all in Deadwind Pass. By the graveyard, there's a crypt that you can get feared through (the gate's closed but fear doesn't care!). That's where the screenshots are from, but that place is VERY empty.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    End wrote: »
    Some of my guildies still run karazhan every week, although fuck if I know what they're trying to get out of it.

    I think at this point anyone still running Kara on their main is either their guild's pally tank (:() or is just doing it out of habit because clearing Kara weekly, for the majority of BC, was just the done thing. Thats what you did. If you were a 10man guild you did it on raid nights, if you were a 25man guild you did it on a Friday or Saturday night.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Don't know how to feel about it: My guild leader just stepped down and appointed the new guild leader. Ruh roh?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    W2 wrote: »
    Kara is pretty cool.

    It's like Hogwarts: The Instance.

    Kara is amazing when you just walk around a cleared instance and enjoy the scenery. I like Medivh's bedroom. He has a shoe rack!

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kara is cool to walk around in
    But it's also sad to know what state your server is in when people post crap like this

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.

    Happy: My mage has a kickass fishing outfit and some people love it.

    Amused: A random hunter wanted a port to Shatt, which I usually don't do. He then opened a trade and gave me 2 runes. That's what surprised me.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Hate: FUCK You Blizzard! I try to do lowbie quests to get the loremaster title. on the PTR server i find that i need 380(730 total) quests in Kalimdor and 150(700 total) quests in EK to finish the old school content(as alliance).

    Do you know how hard thats going to be? especialy since they all are "low level" now and dont show up on the mini map. They could at least add an option to let you see them if you want, Its not like its a big programing task. Put it in as an option in the interface options: want to see low level quests y/n.

    They're adding a low level quest tracking come 3.0.

    Edit: Beaten like a read-headed stepchild.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I don't like mods that automate things for me.

    I'm of this opinion too. I want to play the game, not let the game play itself for me. If I wanted that, I'd load up ProgressQuest.

    One exception though: Decursive back in Vanilla, in particular when it came to decursing in Molten Core. Seriously, fuck that place and how some of the fights are designed to have a million billion debuffs on 40 people at all times.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I know that affliction is a keyboard dance for warlocks
    I did not know how hard it was until I started playing my demonogoly warlock

    I just hate people who suggest that I get X mod to play affliction. It's not that hard!

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.
    Some Paladin in my guild constantly bitches at me for not using PP because he feels without it people lose track of what blessing they're supplying.

    I'm the only one with kings.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's not hard to coordinate buffs. I've been doing this since 2005 and I find it fun. Lets say in a 25 man raid you have 3 paladins and 2 have kings. Simply decide who hands out kings, which goes to everyone then. The other 2 then figure out who hands out salv to everyone. Whoever doesnt get salv gets the 10 minute buff of their choice. The last person hands out whatever is left.

    Now since salv is going away, all we have left is: kings, might, wisdom, and sanctuary. So it will be eveneasier.

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  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    After playing since launch, I was finally forced into installing an Add-on. I was basically told, after out agroing the tanks over and over after a slew of upgrades, DL omen, or you're not coming to the raids anymore.

    So I did. Now everyone is trying to tell me to DL more and more, but fuck them.

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  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    EWom wrote: »
    After playing since launch, I was finally forced into installing an Add-on. I was basically told, after out agroing the tanks over and over after a slew of upgrades, DL omen, or you're not coming to the raids anymore.

    So I did. Now everyone is trying to tell me to DL more and more, but fuck them.

    I can understand Omen, since threat limits are important to tanks. It's info they need to know. But now it's being built into the default UI, so Omen might, due to some sort of backwards miracle, go away.

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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.
    People just panic when they look at the PP window and don't see every paladin in there. It means they have to manually remember some of them, and they specifically use the mod so they DON'T have to manually remember. It makes them feel cheated.

    "___ has Might/Wisdom, ___ has Light/Salv, ___ has Kings." is simple and it works. But people want to enact ornate blessing assignments. Luckily, no more Salv or Light next week.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    The worst thing about decursive was when A: They still wouldn't cleanse off the debuffs and B: when they were beaten, in a landslide, by the one pally not using it.

    And ya'll should know my stance on automating mods.

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    EWom wrote: »
    After playing since launch, I was finally forced into installing an Add-on. I was basically told, after out agroing the tanks over and over after a slew of upgrades, DL omen, or you're not coming to the raids anymore.

    So I did. Now everyone is trying to tell me to DL more and more, but fuck them.

    I can understand Omen, since threat limits are important to tanks. It's info they need to know. But now it's being built into the default UI, so Omen might, due to some sort of backwards miracle, go away.
    I only think Omen is necessary because some of the TBC encounters were obviously designed with threat meters in mind, otherwise how are you to know you're behind two tanks on Gruul or VR? I think they said at some point they were moving away from using threat as a fight mechanic in that way in Wrath.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    That's one reason why I liked be number 2 in DPS all the time in vanilla WoW.

    "Ok, is Laquifa pulling aggro?

    No?

    Ok then I can't pull aggro."

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I liked the old version of Gatherer that let you load a preexisting database of node locations, but the author decided to remove the ability in later versions.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Several MC fights without decursive (unless your cleansers were top notch) were a giant pain in the ass. Then Blizzard outright stated they were designing encounters with Decursive in mind. Then they killed Decursive, and didn't adjust the encounters. A cleanser that was on the ball could keep up with a fuckwit mashing a macro, but good people with decursive were hard to beat. However, these fights had a number of YOU MUST REMOVE THIS IMMEDIATELY OR YOU ALL DIE AND THEN YOU START OVER HA HA HA mechanics, which were bullshit in an unadjusted state.

    Also, good man for getting Omen. Too bad it may well be completely outdated (depending on the quality of Blizzard's built in UI update, and whether or not we see threat mechanics used significantly in WLK).

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, Korvos was an exceptional paladin. And I reached the point in nilla WoW where nobody could convince me to get bossmods or meters when A: people who had meters still pulled aggro on Vael and B: I was the only fucking warrior, aside from the MT. who wouldn't get feared by Nefarian.

    And again I say! Only person who needs threat meters is numba 1 stunner deeps (not hunter or rogue)

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Forar wrote: »
    Several MC fights without decursive (unless your cleansers were top notch) were a giant pain in the ass. Then Blizzard outright stated they were designing encounters with Decursive in mind. Then they killed Decursive, and didn't adjust the encounters. A cleanser that was on the ball could keep up with a fuckwit mashing a macro, but good people with decursive were hard to beat. However, these fights had a number of YOU MUST REMOVE THIS IMMEDIATELY OR YOU ALL DIE AND THEN YOU START OVER HA HA HA mechanics, which were bullshit in an unadjusted state.

    Also, good man for getting Omen. Too bad it may well be completely outdated (depending on the quality of Blizzard's built in UI update, and whether or not we see threat mechanics used significantly in WLK).

    Their threat meter leaves a lot to be desired. It will be great for showing mouth breathers the basic concept but it's not an omen replacement yet.

    It was a right of passage to do MC/BWL without decursive. And after that you used it because it was just serious bullshit.

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  • cncaudatacncaudata Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Wow. I have now been obsessively reading these forums through two debate/argument/comment sessions on pally power and how it {is necessary}/{is horrible}/{is not cool enough for me}. I might need a new hobby.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    And again I say! Only person who needs threat meters is numba 1 stunner deeps (not hunter or rogue)

    .... I have no idea what you just said. Possibly something about threat. Look, it's not my fault that Blizzard actually gave me innate threat reduction and a non-lethal threat drop. :P

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.

    Happy: My mage has a kickass fishing outfit and some people love it.

    Amused: A random hunter wanted a port to Shatt, which I usually don't do. He then opened a trade and gave me 2 runes. That's what surprised me.

    Beyond Normal, the problem with you not wanting to use Pally Power, is that if you don't use it, no one else can either, because it COMPLETELY screws up assigning blessings in a 25man, because not only do they have to assign their own blessings, they have to remember which blessings you are doing. What about if you're assigned to do all the oddball blessings? How is anyone, including you, goin to remember to give the druids Might, but give the resto druids Wisdom and the Moonkin salv, then give the Ret paladin a 10min Might, the Prot paladin a 10min Light, then give a Prot warrior Light and a DPS warrior Salv...

    Sure, maybe you can remember that, but if I'm the paladin leader for that raid, I don't want to have to remember that blessing assignment, thats why I got Pally Power, so I didn't have to remember.

    I'm all for making the game more pure for yourself if thats what you want, but choosing not to use Pally Power is a choice that affects every other paladin in the raid too, and is fucking selfish. Of course, if you only do 10mans with another paladin or maybe even no other paladins, thats another story, not using Pally Power is fine there. But if you try to do 25mans without Pally Power, you might not even notice, but you're creating a huge headache if everyone else is trying to use it.

    Edit: To clarify, I am not attacking you and saying "l2install pallypower nub". What I am saying however, is don't go into a 25man raid that uses Pallypower and get offended if they get upset with you for not using it, because its entirely justified on their part.

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  • dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The biggest thing with the threat meter in beta is that it didn't come with an explanation. So there are colored bands around your character portrait, and symbols by the mob's name, and little signs that say "attacking you" (well, that one's obvious), and "losing threat", etc. So there's a lot of poorly explained data being thrown around, unlike the fairly concise information that Omen shows in its little popup box.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    End wrote: »
    Some of my guildies still run karazhan every week, although fuck if I know what they're trying to get out of it.

    I think at this point anyone still running Kara on their main is either their guild's pally tank (:() or is just doing it out of habit because clearing Kara weekly, for the majority of BC, was just the done thing. Thats what you did. If you were a 10man guild you did it on raid nights, if you were a 25man guild you did it on a Friday or Saturday night.

    Yeah, *grin* they do it on friday night usually, which isn't a normal raid night. I guess it's just habit.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Re: Threat meter...from what I understand, it'll be difficult to pull come 3.0 anyways....

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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    dojango wrote: »
    The biggest thing with the threat meter in beta is that it didn't come with an explanation. So there are colored bands around your character portrait, and symbols by the mob's name, and little signs that say "attacking you" (well, that one's obvious), and "losing threat", etc. So there's a lot of poorly explained data being thrown around, unlike the fairly concise information that Omen shows in its little popup box.
    There'll likely be some way for post-expansion mods to tap into the raw numbers and show accurate bars.

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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User
    edited October 2008
    End wrote: »
    Re: Threat meter...from what I understand, it'll be difficult to pull come 3.0 anyways....

    Whether that ends up being the case or not, I still think a threat meter of some sort is an invaluable tool. Tank threat isn't always a consistent thing, misses/resists, delays due to re-positioning, capping out due to mana/rage starvation etc... having that information available to you is just too handy to go without imo.

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  • CharusCharus Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.

    Happy: My mage has a kickass fishing outfit and some people love it.

    Amused: A random hunter wanted a port to Shatt, which I usually don't do. He then opened a trade and gave me 2 runes. That's what surprised me.

    I'm not sure Shattered Oath could function without this mod. Hell, you should hear them on vent even with PP:

    "Hunters need Wisdom"
    "Rogues don't have Might"
    "Who's giving Salv?"
    "Why do Warlocks have Sanc?"
    "Jesus, let me redo assignments..."
    <two minutes later>
    "I still don't have salv."
    "Why don't Warriors have Kings anymore?"

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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    And then some Hunter pipes up with "Can I have Salv instead?"

    Does PP have some option to list individual-assignment blessings in addition to Greater ones? I missed that if it has it.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hate: How I'm basically going ot have to sit on WoW from now until 5am on tuesday probably, waiting for a magtheridon group to form. BOTH TIMES today I've given up and gone to do something else, I log in to see a pug running it.

    God. Dammit.

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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User
    edited October 2008
    SabreMau wrote: »
    And then some Hunter pipes up with "Can I have Salv instead?"

    Does PP have some option to list individual-assignment blessings in addition to Greater ones? I missed that if it has it.

    Yeah, when you open up the grid where you assign buffs, there'll be a list of names at the top of each class column, you can click (or maybe right-click) any of the names up there to set a 10 minute buff. To cast it, you use the little box for each player that appears beside the class box when you hover over it.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SabreMau wrote: »
    And then some Hunter pipes up with "Can I have Salv instead?"

    Does PP have some option to list individual-assignment blessings in addition to Greater ones? I missed that if it has it.

    Yep. Under each class there's a list of which people each class has in it. You can left click on their name, then highlgiht a paladin and then assign the blessing, that paladin can then rightlcick on their pallypower button instead of leftclick and it will assign the 10min blessing.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Charus wrote: »
    Hate: Pally Power, with a passion. People get so bent out of shape about it, it's silly. I got into an argument with some guild mates (who don't play paladins) about the benefits of it. I don't like it. I don't like mods that automate things for me. One of the things I love about playing a paladin is I have to pay attention to everything, and I don't get bored. My mage is boring because I can hit 2 buttons tops the entire time.

    Happy: My mage has a kickass fishing outfit and some people love it.

    Amused: A random hunter wanted a port to Shatt, which I usually don't do. He then opened a trade and gave me 2 runes. That's what surprised me.

    I'm not sure Shattered Oath could function without this mod. Hell, you should hear them on vent even with PP:

    "Hunters need Wisdom"
    "Rogues don't have Might"
    "Who's giving Salv?"
    "Why do Warlocks have Sanc?"
    "Jesus, let me redo assignments..."
    <two minutes later>
    "I still don't have salv."
    "Why don't Warriors have Kings anymore?"

    I had alot more problems with pally blessings in my old guild than in SO.

    ...

    Yeah...

    Edit:

    Sadness: Most likely, I won't be getting my Hand of A'dal title. Boo-urns!

    Meh: I wouldn't actually be displaying the title, anyhow, since the achievement titles are cooler (gonna get Guardian of Cenarius right off the bat).

    Happy: At least I got my CotN title and an Amani Bear before 3.0, so yayz!

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