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  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Ignore crazy Trig baby stuff at the bottom
    Dear friends,

    So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
    last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

    Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
    common: their gender and their good looks. :)

    You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
    with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
    any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

    Thanks,
    Anne


    ABOUT SARAH PALIN

    I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
    Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
    first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
    father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
    first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
    City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
    residents of the city.

    She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular
    girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
    won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
    she is a "babe".

    It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
    kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
    for seven months.

    She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
    There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

    She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

    She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
    there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

    Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
    champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly
    sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
    work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
    so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
    major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
    like that of native Alaskans.

    Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

    She's smart.

    Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
    (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
    670,000 residents.

    During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
    this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
    pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
    gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
    given rise to a recall campaign.

    Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
    years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
    33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
    City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
    (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
    regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
    promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
    benefited residents.

    The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
    weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
    money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
    with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
    the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
    she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
    new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
    multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
    of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
    still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
    involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
    community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
    would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
    could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

    While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
    redecorated more than once.

    These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

    As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
    in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
    make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
    proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

    In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
    recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
    she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
    surplus, borrow for needs.

    She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
    or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by
    her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the
    basis of who proposed them.

    While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
    City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
    the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
    rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
    attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
    her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
    Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

    Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for
    Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
    fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
    Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
    creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
    grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
    to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
    case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

    As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated”
    her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
    cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
    and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
    an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
    fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
    for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
    contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
    later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
    replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
    for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
    her support.

    She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
    help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
    introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
    became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
    abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t
    like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

    Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
    publicly about her.

    When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
    the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
    of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
    background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
    job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
    high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
    structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
    Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
    engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
    undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
    her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
    garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
    gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit,
    exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

    As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
    Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
    politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to
    nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

    As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
    guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
    projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
    action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
    because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
    she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

    She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
    leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
    them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
    fiscal conservative.

    Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
    They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and
    predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
    stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
    point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
    mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
    experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

    As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
    of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march
    to the beat of her drum.

    Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
    Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
    global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state
    initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
    pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
    state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s
    lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar
    bears as threatened species.

    McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
    heartbeat away from being President.

    There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
    knowledgeable and experienced than she.

    However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
    regretting it.


    CLAIM VS FACT
    •“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
    •“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
    school, not since
    •“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
    •social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
    that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
    (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    •pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
    promote it.
    •“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
    BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
    legislation
    •“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
    residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
    No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
    supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
    administrator to run town of about 5,000.
    •political maverick: not at all
    •gutsy: absolutely!
    •open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
    explaining actions.
    •has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
    •”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
    and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
    •fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
    •pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
    without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
    streets to early 20th century standards.
    •pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
    residents
    •pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
    government in Wasilla’s history.
    •pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
    doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
    that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

    WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

    First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
    voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
    programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
    Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
    government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

    Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
    when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
    few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

    Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
    of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
    fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
    cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

    Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
    or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
    attempt at censorship.

    Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
    say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

    CAVEATS
    I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
    spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
    from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
    Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
    for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
    for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
    swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

    You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
    population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
    day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the
    current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
    5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
    2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

    There is an actual name and email address on the original post. The internets isn't so anonymous anymore!
    needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

    There is a lot of good stuff in there, but that is the standout for me...

    And then fired him. So yeah.. seems very Shinseki-esque.

    Astraphobia on
    You: GOD NEVERMIND, I'LL JUST CALL THE FUCKING WONDER TWINS MAYBE THEY CAN UNITE TO FORM A FUCKING CLUE FOR YOU
  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Obama has every right to think it's off limits. I however don't. I also find it hal-a-r-ious how everyone is saying "But she's just actin like a teen-ager! Her mom cant controool her!", Jesus christ i havent heard people giving parents such a pass since columbine. At which point are her parents capable? Does she need to run over an elderly couple? Skull fuck a homeless person? Mutilate a dead animal? hunt cats with BB guns then drown them in barels of water to sell to a butcher for chinese food? Where's the line here people?
    [/rant]

    She's a 17 year old who had sex. This does not strike me as a stunning indictment of Sarah Palin's parenting skills.

    Yeah. I mean, I never had sex or drank underage, but that is because I was a huge nerd for whom the opportunity never arose. It's not the worst thing ever, and a huge step below all your examples. Lighten the fuck up.

    Tofystedeth on
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  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Reis2 wrote: »
    I've always wondered - what were tax rates on high income earners before bush tax cuts? What are Obama's tax rates as compared to the rates for pre-bush levels?

    Obama will supposedly put them back up around Clinton levels.

    You know, back when we had that budget surplus.

    Where'd that thing go, anyway?

    Taramoor on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'll believe that long comment if the person can prove he/she is from Alaska.

    Couscous on
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Its getting blown far far out of proportion and theres much better things to talk about

    nexuscrawler on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    We live in a dangerous world. And we need a President who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain.

    Surprisingly, not from Rudy's keynote, but that's the President speaking tonight.

    enlightenedbum on
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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Maybe I'm forgetting something but I think Teddy Roosevelt would hate Palin and McCain. Ruining miles and miles of the Alaskan wilderness for a pipeline? Drilling off the coast in an area frequently hit by hurricanes? Do they remember that this guy loved the wilderness?
    I don't know who Teddy would be voting for...but it wouldn't be McCain.

    "The government is us; we are the government, you and I."

    "The most practical kind of politics is the politics of decency."

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues."

    "Believe you can and you're halfway there."

    I mean, he hated big corporations, immorality, lying, side-stepping the real issues, not caring about all your fellow Americans...basically, what the Republican party is these days.

    DarkCrawler on
  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Reis2 wrote: »
    I've always wondered - what were tax rates on high income earners before bush tax cuts? What are Obama's tax rates as compared to the rates for pre-bush levels?

    Obama will supposedly put them back up around Clinton levels.

    You know, back when we had that budget surplus.

    Where'd that thing go, anyway?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Talking about the Palin babygate shit is relevant because if the drinking photo is true, this WILL be big news. And by "big news", I mean "people will report on it alot".

    shryke on
  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Here's something pretty hilarious if you've seen Joe Scarborough since the Palin announcement (I think someone was laughing about his show today):


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbsbeY5k5k

    That's him and Buchanan talking about Palin while waiting for McCain's VP announcement.

    :lol:

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  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The super long comment on that article had the persons' real name and email account. Don't really know how that makes it possible to verify their identity, but seriously, that is one of the most coherent comments I have ever read. So by that measure it seems completely reasonable that it could be fake, but some of that information seems too detailed for some D&D player in their mom's basement eating cheetos to whip up over the Labor Day weekend.

    Astraphobia on
    You: GOD NEVERMIND, I'LL JUST CALL THE FUCKING WONDER TWINS MAYBE THEY CAN UNITE TO FORM A FUCKING CLUE FOR YOU
  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    mxmarks wrote: »
    And for those who missed Wolf Blitzer announcing that McCain pulled out of the Larry King interview, they RE-AIRED the Campbell smack-down, THEN Wolf said that McCain was dropping out of the Larry King interview because that interview was "Over the line" in they're opinion. Then he just stared straight into the camera and said "Obviously, we don't think Campbell went over the line at all."

    It was awesome.

    I've been kinda thinking for a couple weeks now that McCain is going IMPLODE or EXPLODE at the debates, because the guy can't take people asking him questions he actually has to answer. And this just solidifies it. The public may finally start to understand this guy is the type of guy who would tell North Korea to fuck off if they didn't ask him the right questions. Thats scary.

    Wolf Blitzer grew a pair? It's official - this is a Bizzaro Election.

    Sal on
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  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Maybe I'm forgetting something but I think Teddy Roosevelt would hate Palin and McCain. Ruining miles and miles of the Alaskan wilderness for a pipeline? Drilling off the coast in an area frequently hit by hurricanes? Do they remember that this guy loved the wilderness?
    I don't know who Teddy would be voting for...but it wouldn't be McCain.

    "The government is us; we are the government, you and I."

    "The most practical kind of politics is the politics of decency."

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues."

    "Believe you can and you're halfway there."

    I mean, he hated big corporations, immorality, lying, side-stepping the real issues, not caring about all your fellow Americans...basically, what the Republican party is these days.

    Teddy was the most Badass president ever. EVER!

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  • Brian888Brian888 Registered User
    edited September 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Here's something pretty hilarious if you've seen Joe Scarborough since the Palin announcement (I think someone was laughing about his show today):


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbsbeY5k5k

    That's him and Buchanan talking about Palin while waiting for McCain's VP announcement.

    :lol:


    :lol: :lol:

    Oh my fucking god!

    Brian888 on
  • JokermanJokerman Smile more Talk LessRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm driving this into the ground. You'll hear plenty of this on the news, trust me, so i'll just say one last thing then STFU:
    It's not the fact that a 17 year old was fuckin', it's got everything to do with that fact that she got pregenant and her mother is a staunch supporter of abstinence only.

    Jokerman on
  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    See my sig for further quotes on TR.

    I don't really have a doubt on how TR would vote. He was a progressive.

    Derrick on
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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    We live in a dangerous world. And we need a President who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain.

    Surprisingly, not from Rudy's keynote, but that's the President speaking tonight.

    I laugh, only because Clinton told Bush during the handover to take out Bin Laden and was ignored.

    Tomanta on
  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    We live in a dangerous world. And we need a President who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain.

    Surprisingly, not from Rudy's keynote, but that's the President speaking tonight.

    Shorter version: Perpetual war for perpetual peace!

    Crimsondude on
  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    It's not the fact that a 17 year old was fuckin', it's got everything to do with that fact that she got pregenant and her mother is a staunch supporter of abstinence only.

    Locust76 on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    We live in a dangerous world. And we need a President who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain.

    Surprisingly, not from Rudy's keynote, but that's the President speaking tonight.

    Shorter version: Perpetual war for perpetual peace!

    Sharterer version: War is peace.

    Couscous on
  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Obama has every right to think it's off limits. I however don't. I also find it hal-a-r-ious how everyone is saying "But she's just actin like a teen-ager! Her mom cant controool her!", Jesus christ i havent heard people giving parents such a pass since columbine. At which point are her parents capable? Does she need to run over an elderly couple? Skull fuck a homeless person? Mutilate a dead animal? hunt cats with BB guns then drown them in barels of water to sell to a butcher for chinese food? Where's the line here people?
    [/rant]

    Which speaks volumes to her capability as a mother but has fuck-all to do with her performance as a politician.

    tofu on
  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh you stupid bitches on the View.. whatever would we do without you.

    Joy is doing more eye-rolling than usual throughout this one.

    Astraphobia on
    You: GOD NEVERMIND, I'LL JUST CALL THE FUCKING WONDER TWINS MAYBE THEY CAN UNITE TO FORM A FUCKING CLUE FOR YOU
  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    tofu wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Obama has every right to think it's off limits. I however don't. I also find it hal-a-r-ious how everyone is saying "But she's just actin like a teen-ager! Her mom cant controool her!", Jesus christ i havent heard people giving parents such a pass since columbine. At which point are her parents capable? Does she need to run over an elderly couple? Skull fuck a homeless person? Mutilate a dead animal? hunt cats with BB guns then drown them in barels of water to sell to a butcher for chinese food? Where's the line here people?
    [/rant]

    Which speaks volumes to her capability as a mother but has fuck-all to do with her performance as a politician.


    True but bereft any real performance in that arena what else are people going to talk about?

    Derrick on
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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Back from a phonebanking session in Madison. Two calls in particular stood out:

    1: "Hi, I'm with the Obama campaign, and I'd just like to know who you're--"
    "OHHHHH MYYYYY GOD!"
    (commence stream of bile gushing out of the phone, the kind that makes one recoil from the reciever, ending with a "Good bye" that reminds one of Jon Stewart's "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!" line)

    2: The brother of an actual Obama delegate. (This person was immediately handed off to one of the people running the office, who ended up getting his ear talked off while we both waited for an opportunity to wrap up the call so I could get back to business.)

    130 total contacts in the session, by the way.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The fact that her daughter got pregnant isn't anything more than a data point. It doesn't tell us anything about the relative effectiveness of abstinence only education or any other sort of sex ed.

    Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited September 2008
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Gee, it's a good thing we're not members of McCain or Obama's campaign then, isn't it?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Gosling wrote: »
    130 total contacts in the session, by the way.

    Wow, how many calls did you make?

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Dyscord wrote: »
    It doesn't tell us anything about the relative effectiveness of abstinence only education or any other sort of sex ed.

    Bullshit!

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    I'll believe that long comment if the person can prove he/she is from Alaska.

    How's this?

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Gosling wrote: »
    130 total contacts in the session, by the way.

    Wow, how many calls did you make?
    By 'contacts', I meant 'names on the list marked off one way or another'.

    Sorry about that. For actual responses, I'd have to think around 20, 25. Three volunteers found- one the delegate's brother, another will be going on to working the actual polls on November 4th.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Gee, it's a good thing we're not members of McCain or Obama's campaign then, isn't it?

    What does that have to do with anything? The man is right when he says her performance as a mother has nothing to do with her performance as a professional.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Dyscord wrote: »
    It doesn't tell us anything about the relative effectiveness of abstinence only education or any other sort of sex ed.

    Bullshit!

    No, it isn't bullshit. If one of Obama's daughters had gotten pregnant, it wouldn't be an argument in favor of abstinence only education, either. It would just be a data point.

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  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    I'll believe that long comment if the person can prove he/she is from Alaska.

    How's this?

    Well that makes me feel good about maek poast.

    I gotta say, that comment was pretty damning on every part of the "reformer/maverick" meme that they've been trying to push.


    We need some sort of Northern Exposure theme for the next thread, I dare say.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    I'll believe that long comment if the person can prove he/she is from Alaska.

    How's this?

    Good enough for me.

    I fucking love this election.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palestinian-attack-in-isr_n_123297.html
    Meanwhile, the Boston Herald and Newsweek have both identified Wasilla Bible Church as the Alaska Governor's most recent church. And it was at that Bible Church where a recent guest described a Palestinian attack on Israeli citizens as part of God's judgment coming to pass on Earth -- an analysis likely troubling both to Jews, as well as to mainstream foreign policy analysts.

    Describing a trip by his son to Jerusalem, Jews for Jesus founder David Brickner described the a July Palestinian bulldozer attack against Israeli civilians as part of God's "judgment."

    That speech, from August 17, is posted on the church's website, along with all other recent addresses delivered to the congregation.

    In a talk entitled "The Jerusalem Dilemma," Brickner also went on to describe all of the problems in the Middle East as related to Jerusalem. "But what we see in Israel, the conflict that is spilled through the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment," Brickner told Palin's church, adding: "Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When Isaac [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment -- you can't miss it."

    Listen to Brickner here.

    Brickner's analysis tracks with various other strains of evangelist Christian eschatology, but finds decidedly less favor in foreign policy circles. With Gov. Palin's views on foreign policy mostly unknown, and the McCain campaign thus far ill disposed to the idea of making her available to the national press, it's unclear how much stock she personally puts in Brickner's theory. An email to the McCain campaign asking for clarification was not immediately returned.
    I don't know if she believes that crap, but with what she said about Iraq and some other stuff, it doesn't sound unbelievable that she believes it.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Dyscord wrote: »
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Dyscord wrote: »
    It doesn't tell us anything about the relative effectiveness of abstinence only education or any other sort of sex ed.

    Bullshit!

    No, it isn't bullshit. If one of Obama's daughters had gotten pregnant, it wouldn't be an argument in favor of abstinence only education, either. It would just be a data point.

    We would, however, learn Obama's stance on the death penalty at that point.

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  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Any talk of Palin's crazy church will just bring up Obama's crazy pastor and McCain's crazy endorsers.

    Don't think the Obama camp has to do anything but rope some dope. In the good, Muhammad Ali way.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited September 2008
    tofu wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Obama wrote:
    Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.

    Gee, it's a good thing we're not members of McCain or Obama's campaign then, isn't it?

    What does that have to do with anything? The man is right when he says her performance as a mother has nothing to do with her performance as a professional.

    I'll say it again: we're discussing politics in here. Politics extends beyond the facts of what each campaign does, it also encompasses what role the media plays, and the media is eating this shit up. Therefore, in discussing politics, the role of Palin's daughter's vices, and how they shape the media narrative is fair game.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    I'll believe that long comment if the person can prove he/she is from Alaska.

    How's this?

    Good enough for me.

    I fucking love this election.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palestinian-attack-in-isr_n_123297.html
    Meanwhile, the Boston Herald and Newsweek have both identified Wasilla Bible Church as the Alaska Governor's most recent church. And it was at that Bible Church where a recent guest described a Palestinian attack on Israeli citizens as part of God's judgment coming to pass on Earth -- an analysis likely troubling both to Jews, as well as to mainstream foreign policy analysts.

    Describing a trip by his son to Jerusalem, Jews for Jesus founder David Brickner described the a July Palestinian bulldozer attack against Israeli civilians as part of God's "judgment."

    That speech, from August 17, is posted on the church's website, along with all other recent addresses delivered to the congregation.

    In a talk entitled "The Jerusalem Dilemma," Brickner also went on to describe all of the problems in the Middle East as related to Jerusalem. "But what we see in Israel, the conflict that is spilled through the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment," Brickner told Palin's church, adding: "Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When Isaac [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment -- you can't miss it."

    Listen to Brickner here.

    Brickner's analysis tracks with various other strains of evangelist Christian eschatology, but finds decidedly less favor in foreign policy circles. With Gov. Palin's views on foreign policy mostly unknown, and the McCain campaign thus far ill disposed to the idea of making her available to the national press, it's unclear how much stock she personally puts in Brickner's theory. An email to the McCain campaign asking for clarification was not immediately returned.
    I don't know if she believes that crap, but with what she said about Iraq and some other stuff, it doesn't sound unbelievable that she believes it.
    As much as we have on Palin already, I think we can do well to let this one go regardless. We don't need God Damn America popping up again.

    Really. We've hit this point with Palin, within four days. We're at the point where we can openly pick and choose what dirt we don't even need.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Ambinder is still looking for access and good BBQ.
    But nothing, so far, is disqualifying, and to McCain, the core elements of Palin's appeal -- that she fought corruption, questioned earmarks as governor, disdained lobbyists as governor and took on her party -- are still there.

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  • Brian888Brian888 Registered User
    edited September 2008
    Oh you stupid bitches on the View.. whatever would we do without you.

    Joy is doing more eye-rolling than usual throughout this one.


    Sherri Shepherd really has to be one of the dumbest human beings currently breathing. Whoopi must have the patience of Job not to leap across the table and strangle her.

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