Man, I agree to the whole
"No booth babes policy" Almosteveryone who goes to these things is either
A) Married In a VERY serious relationship
C) A teenager
It makes it extremely awkward.
I just want to play the damn game, not have some chick come up and start bouncing around in her underwear. I CAN'T DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE DAMMIT.
Also, I'm really embarrased at some of the games I play with "Booth Babes".
Especially because most of them have spent 50+ hours with the game, and i'm just picking it up for the first time. Especially in the cases where you have the possibility to win swag.
For example:
The Rockstar booth had not exactly booth "babes" but very attractive women managing the booth.
They would challenge you to Midnight Club.
They would whip your sorry ass all around the place.
You would feel depressed.
You then go home and cry at the fact you just got pwnd (even worse than owned) by somebody hired off the street/catalog doing something most of us have been doing for a significant portion of our lives.
That's it.
I'm done, I promise.
/rant
Truth on the "girl gamers kicking the living shit out of me". The PMS clan, for instance. On the other hand, the fragdolls were an extreme disappointment...several were acting like booth babes, pretending to hit on the nerdiest of guys so they would buy things. Others were demoing games and failing epicly, such as the one demoing Endwar "One, attack Alpha. ALPHA. FUCKING ALPHA. GODDAMNIT. YES. ONE. ATTACK AL- ONE! ONE ! ONE! ALPHA! FUCK!"
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Man, I agree to the whole
"No booth babes policy" Almosteveryone who goes to these things is either
A) Married In a VERY serious relationship
C) A teenager
o_O
That's a hell of an assumption there.
I'm not saying that all of us over the age of 19 and not in relationships like booth babes or anything.
I tried playing the MK vs. on the 360, and I pwn3d a guy. It was kinda nice, I've been trying to not fail at fighter games, and I guess it is starting to pay off a little bit. I.. I'm not in a relationship, I don't mind seeing hot chicks in outfits either, but.. they should know what they're talking about. ^^;
Good idea as well although I still wont have a nametag out of spite :P BigRed doesnt need a name tag :P
Wear a nametag. I was pointed to you Sunday morning when I tried to turn in my pin, and I still don't know who you are.
And make the pin case easier to open.
deadline was the end of pax on saturday for buttons. Im still not wearing a nametag :P I stick out like a sore thumb. If you cant tell who "BigRed" is amongst a group of enforcers then you fail at life :P Or just arent very observant.
Good idea as well although I still wont have a nametag out of spite :P BigRed doesnt need a name tag :P
Wear a nametag. I was pointed to you Sunday morning when I tried to turn in my pin, and I still don't know who you are.
And make the pin case easier to open.
deadline was the end of pax on saturday for buttons. Im still not wearing a nametag :P I stick out like a sore thumb. If you cant tell who "BigRed" is amongst a group of enforcers then you fail at life :P Or just arent very observant.
I think you might be misunderstanding the source of the conflict.
It's really when "booth babes" are ONLY there for eye candy that people like me have a problem with.
If the women do, great. Bonus. Awesome. If not, awesome, hot women to talk to.
The former scenario means that this was a person who was there to help market the game in a meaningful way. The latter scenario indicates that they were there hoping that the person's physical assets would bring people to the booth.
The former scenario is understandable, and no one has a problem with that. The latter scenario is unfortunate and demeaning: both to women in general (as it sets a "women are to be seen and not heard" tone), and to us gamers (who their choice of advertising seems to suggest that they think we're simpletons drawn to one game over another due to sexual desires).
That's just my take on it though. I know there's another whole thread for this kind of discussion further down the list.
Well the latter is a fact of being descended from apes like it or not. I like it and I definitely disagree that it's demeaning. If anything it's a sign of female power, but I think I can definitely agree with you that it's been discussed way too much already.
i experienced the same thing talking briefly to 2 or 3 of them bigred
Me too. I'm curious which ones you talked to Red, because the Sins girl was the only one I met that was even slightly knowledgeable. You must have some kind of radar.
She talked? I spent 3 hours over the course of the weekend at the Stardock booth, and I never saw her open her mouth once.
I spoke with her quite a bit on Friday. In fact I didn't know she wasn't talking until a few days ago when Neelix told me she didn't and that she was a dev. But then again, by chatting with her, I was probably just perpetuating the stereotype that male gamers are only interested in women. :P
Another thread reminded me about the prize booth thing, can we have printed lists or a big list displayed somewhere for the line of the prize booth?
It seemed like a majority of the holdup was people getting to the front of the line and then taking 30 minutes to decide what they wanted to get and having to ask, "How much is that?" over and over again. You don't have anything else to do in the line while you're waiting so it would be nice to have some pass-around lists to look at so that by the time you get to the front of the line, you have a pretty good idea of what you want and how many points/tickets it's going to be.
This'd probably also cut down a lot on the wait and keep the line moving faster.
This probably isn't possible but...increase the hours in the exhibition halls, I can't tell you how many times I had like two or three hours between when it closed and the concerts started up, that I had like nothing to do.
Second suggestion, try not to have it on the same weekend as DragonCon. Seriously I know a couple people that would have gone to PAX if not for the fact that DragonCon was going on around the same exact time.
Ok, that's all I got for now, there is probably no helping either of these problems but, figured I'd put both of these suggestions out there.
EDIT: For all that is good...switch up the promos in the Main Theater a little....I'm not saying you gotta have new ads on every single loop but seriously...after the fifth or sixth time seeing that Warhammer trailer, I just about wanted to gouge my eyes out
PAX has always been on the last weekend of august. I doubt that will be changing anytime soon.
Yeah, well we got an email at AOC stratics from Age of Conan's CM, saying their presence at DragonCon precluded attending PAX. My guess is they weren't the only ones. Might be something still worth looking into.
1. I'd like to second the call for big screenings of main theatre events- and the call for sound to be FM broadcast. I wonder if it's possible to add an FM receiver to the goodybag- something so cheap it would only last 4 days.
2. I don't imagine the line's changing much, but I'd prefer a ticketing system to get into panels etc.- That way at least I could hit the expo floor with confidence.
3. Food vendors probably need to be informed of the incoming horde- though the one time I had the Pizza it was good.
4. I imagine this is impossible- but I for one would welcome a Pre-registrant only, Thursday- consisting of just the Expo Hall and lounges- no tournaments, no panels. That way pre-registrants would get a benefit, shorter queues, first crack at the expo and would free them up for panels on later days- and free up the expo hall for others on later days.
5. All night tabletop gaming? Count me in!
Thanks for an incredible 3 days.
Also-
"I like the idea of having an onsite blood drive that someone brought up at the comic panel." - I would guess taking 45 000, potentially 3-day, tired people and taking a pint of blood from them all would probably lead a significant 'fainting' problem. Bone marrow register anyone (I think that just requires a vial of blood)?
"So we can see, the 6th floor, alone, has nearly 2.5 times the space of floors 2-5 combined. More than double the space." - no sarcasm- how the hell did gender odyssey get it before PAX?!
Also-
"I like the idea of having an onsite blood drive that someone brought up at the comic panel." - I would guess taking 45 000, potentially 3-day, tired people and taking a pint of blood from them all would probably lead a significant 'fainting' problem. Bone marrow register anyone (I think that just requires a vial of blood)?
Just put it next to the Brawndo booth, all will be fine.
Aponivanya wrote: I can't imagine ANYONE with a BRAIN who actually cares about their daughter's self-image bringing a little girl to this event. And it's not healthy for young guys either
Um..I took my 17 year old son and 12 year old daughter and as far as I can tell I do have a brain. My daughter is still the same person she was before pax as is my son. We met a lot of very cool people at the dinner, breakfast run, exchanging buttons and relaxing in the BYOC. The people we met were the reason we believe that pax was completely awesome!! I am a 39 year old dad/gamer and I would not have traded this years pax experience with my kids for anything. As far as suggestions go, I would have to go with having Will back as keynote...or Bono...ha...
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Aponivanya wrote: I can't imagine ANYONE with a BRAIN who actually cares about their daughter's self-image bringing a little girl to this event. And it's not healthy for young guys either
Um..I took my 17 year old son and 12 year old daughter and as far as I can tell I do have a brain. My daughter is still the same person she was before pax as is my son. We met a lot of very cool people at the dinner, breakfast run, exchanging buttons and relaxing in the BYOC. The people we met were the reason we believe that pax was completely awesome!! I am a 39 year old dad/gamer and I would not have traded this years pax experience with my kids for anything. As far as suggestions go, I would have to go with having Will back as keynote...or Bono...ha...
r
No kidding. I just hope that when I have a daughter, I raise her with a good enough self-image and with enough self-esteem that she's not just a victim to every image and idea she comes across, but can think and decide for herself -- much like my mother did with my siblings and I.
and, you know, raise her into an assassin that slaughters everoyne in her path...
She's twelve..and as we all know at twelve the universe is but a simple puzzle...so she will do as she pleases(under my watchful eye) and know that she owns the universe(again, under my watchful eye) but she is a realist that does see things beyond her years...bottom line: she gets it.
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This was my first PAX and I had a blast. The one thing I would like to see is an option to buy a DVD that has the audio and presentations from all the panels. VoiceCon offers this for free as part of the registration but they also charge alot more...
I am generally against booth babes, these two were so out of place it was all I could do to not laugh:
Whereas the stardock girl, IMHO, felt right at home at PAX:
I don't know if I could craft a "no booth babes" rule that would ban the former, and allow the latter.
I used to be able to quickly articulate what PAX was by saying "It's like E3 without the booth babes". But ever since last year, that's no longer true, and my new explanation takes 10 minutes.
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This was my first PAX and I had a blast. The one thing I would like to see is an option to buy a DVD that has the audio and presentations from all the panels. VoiceCon offers this for free as part of the registration but they also charge alot more...
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Just wait a couple of months (and before you ask, no '06 DVD since a lot of footage got lost, and apparently '04 is out of print or just plain not being sold).
I am generally against booth babes, these two were so out of place it was all I could do to not laugh:
Whereas the stardock girl, IMHO, felt right at home at PAX:
I don't know if I could craft a "no booth babes" rule that would ban the former, and allow the latter.
I used to be able to quickly articulate what PAX was by saying "It's like E3 without the booth babes". But ever since last year, that's no longer true, and my new explanation takes 10 minutes.
One of the company employees or developers dressing up as a game character for expo doesnt qualify as a "Booth babe". There were a few that didnt know anything about the games, but the majority of them that I came across knew what they were talking about and wernt just there for eye candy.
Re: the 6th Floor- sorry- I meant to preface that statement with "If it's attendance based..."
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6. I would like to add support for a creche on-site, not that I minded the few kids I did see running around, I appreciate the strain it puts on the parents. Failing that, anyone want to create a Creche business in Seattle? I know just the weekend to start...
7. And the Looking for Group room sounds like a great idea! The one with the topics/interests on boards?
I just hope PAX doesn't conflict with another Northwest convention, Kumori-Con, again. I like both conventions, and I would like to go to both conventions, this year they were on the same weekend. Kumori-Con will be Sept. 5th-7th so I hope it doesn't fall onto Labor Day Weekend again.
That said I really enjoy the convention, here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
- Good selection of things to see
- newer games I didn't expect to see there
- Gabe & Tycho are always such awesome guys
- Plastic badges (much preffered over paper badges hehe)
- Concerts are awesome.
CONS:
- lines took too long, some weren't even necessary at all (we waited in one line for getting into Exhibitors Hall, when we could have just went a certain way and got in VERY easily without the wait time)
- Exhibitors Hall is only open for 5 hrs (which is NOT enough time, believe me)
- way too crowded, hard to get around
- they started Friday's Q&A panel while the line was still packing us in, meaning we missed the first 30 mins (which sucks because if I had known this, we wouldn't have even gone to it and stayed in the Exhibitors Hall instead)
- Some exhibitors took up too much space for no reason, making it hard to walk around things, and because it was packed, I can only assume some companies couldn't fit in there and because of that weren't there
- they need an artist alley...lol (more of a suggestion, I know, but why not, Udon Comics had their artists doing commissions, and they seemed busy!)
My main suggestion is to make the Exhibitor's Hall have longer hours.
I just hope PAX doesn't conflict with another Northwest convention, Kumori-Con, again. I like both conventions, and I would like to go to both conventions, this year they were on the same weekend. Kumori-Con will be Sept. 5th-7th so I hope it doesn't fall onto Labor Day Weekend again.
That said I really enjoy the convention, here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
- Good selection of things to see
- newer games I didn't expect to see there
- Gabe & Tycho are always such awesome guys
- Plastic badges (much preffered over paper badges hehe)
- Concerts are awesome.
CONS:
- lines took too long, some weren't even necessary at all (we waited in one line for getting into Exhibitors Hall, when we could have just went a certain way and got in VERY easily without the wait time)
- Exhibitors Hall is only open for 5 hrs (which is NOT enough time, believe me)
- way too crowded, hard to get around
- they started Friday's Q&A panel while the line was still packing us in, meaning we missed the first 30 mins (which sucks because if I had known this, we wouldn't have even gone to it and stayed in the Exhibitors Hall instead)
- Some exhibitors took up too much space for no reason, making it hard to walk around things, and because it was packed, I can only assume some companies couldn't fit in there and because of that weren't there
- they need an artist alley...lol (more of a suggestion, I know, but why not, Udon Comics had their artists doing commissions, and they seemed busy!)
My main suggestion is to make the Exhibitor's Hall have longer hours.
The exhibition hall was open for eight hours on Saturday and Sunday. It was only open for five hours on Friday because PAX doesn't start till two.
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My suggestion for PAX would be to fracture time into several "compartmental" time periods that allows us to visit everything without fear of missing out.
Like, if we could compact a 30 minute panel into a 5 minute "real time" panel.
Also, if we can borrow spatial theory from Doctor Who. Why don't we just make each theater "bigger on the inside", so the speak. Like, walk into Walrus theater and it's actually 20-30x bigger when your inside than it appeared on the outside.
Just some thoughts. But I think Khoo might have the resources for this type of project.
My suggestion for PAX would be to fracture time into several "compartmental" time periods that allows us to visit everything without fear of missing out.
You havent been able to do that since pax05.
Pax has grown beyond that, you will miss out on something.
Secret keynote speaker for next year: Steven Colbert
If it was announced publicly it could draw way too many people.
Exceptional speaker and longtime D&D player who frequently drops geek culture references. He made a specific point of honoring Gary Gygax's passing on his show.
Yeah it's likely a long shot, but he has been known to engage in wacky stunts and something like PAX could make for a great segment on his show. Someone from PAX should contact his staff, can't hurt to try.
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Truth on the "girl gamers kicking the living shit out of me". The PMS clan, for instance. On the other hand, the fragdolls were an extreme disappointment...several were acting like booth babes, pretending to hit on the nerdiest of guys so they would buy things. Others were demoing games and failing epicly, such as the one demoing Endwar "One, attack Alpha. ALPHA. FUCKING ALPHA. GODDAMNIT. YES. ONE. ATTACK AL- ONE! ONE ! ONE! ALPHA! FUCK!"
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o_O
That's a hell of an assumption there.
I'm not saying that all of us over the age of 19 and not in relationships like booth babes or anything.
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Wear a nametag. I was pointed to you Sunday morning when I tried to turn in my pin, and I still don't know who you are.
And make the pin case easier to open.
deadline was the end of pax on saturday for buttons. Im still not wearing a nametag :P I stick out like a sore thumb. If you cant tell who "BigRed" is amongst a group of enforcers then you fail at life :P Or just arent very observant.
Its totally me. ::looks scary:: BIGRED SMASH!
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Actually, I just want to demo cool games :...:
Well the latter is a fact of being descended from apes like it or not. I like it and I definitely disagree that it's demeaning. If anything it's a sign of female power, but I think I can definitely agree with you that it's been discussed way too much already.
I spoke with her quite a bit on Friday. In fact I didn't know she wasn't talking until a few days ago when Neelix told me she didn't and that she was a dev. But then again, by chatting with her, I was probably just perpetuating the stereotype that male gamers are only interested in women. :P
It seemed like a majority of the holdup was people getting to the front of the line and then taking 30 minutes to decide what they wanted to get and having to ask, "How much is that?" over and over again. You don't have anything else to do in the line while you're waiting so it would be nice to have some pass-around lists to look at so that by the time you get to the front of the line, you have a pretty good idea of what you want and how many points/tickets it's going to be.
This'd probably also cut down a lot on the wait and keep the line moving faster.
Second suggestion, try not to have it on the same weekend as DragonCon. Seriously I know a couple people that would have gone to PAX if not for the fact that DragonCon was going on around the same exact time.
Ok, that's all I got for now, there is probably no helping either of these problems but, figured I'd put both of these suggestions out there.
EDIT: For all that is good...switch up the promos in the Main Theater a little....I'm not saying you gotta have new ads on every single loop but seriously...after the fifth or sixth time seeing that Warhammer trailer, I just about wanted to gouge my eyes out
Yeah, well we got an email at AOC stratics from Age of Conan's CM, saying their presence at DragonCon precluded attending PAX. My guess is they weren't the only ones. Might be something still worth looking into.
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D*C is in september next year. Shouldn't be an issue.
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PAX has always been the last weekend of August.
This year, they conflicted. It won't be an issue again until 2014, though, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
(Personally, I liked it because it meant I could fly out of Seattle on Monday and not have to take an extra day off work.)
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True, but it's truly last FULL weekend of August. ...Look back at the previous years.
So, going by the pattern of the previous years; next year MAY BE* August 28th - 30th
*=LYEA'S GUESS. MAY NOT BE TRUE. ...Plus, there is still 11 months of planning it.
1. I'd like to second the call for big screenings of main theatre events- and the call for sound to be FM broadcast. I wonder if it's possible to add an FM receiver to the goodybag- something so cheap it would only last 4 days.
2. I don't imagine the line's changing much, but I'd prefer a ticketing system to get into panels etc.- That way at least I could hit the expo floor with confidence.
3. Food vendors probably need to be informed of the incoming horde- though the one time I had the Pizza it was good.
4. I imagine this is impossible- but I for one would welcome a Pre-registrant only, Thursday- consisting of just the Expo Hall and lounges- no tournaments, no panels. That way pre-registrants would get a benefit, shorter queues, first crack at the expo and would free them up for panels on later days- and free up the expo hall for others on later days.
5. All night tabletop gaming? Count me in!
Thanks for an incredible 3 days.
Also-
"I like the idea of having an onsite blood drive that someone brought up at the comic panel." - I would guess taking 45 000, potentially 3-day, tired people and taking a pint of blood from them all would probably lead a significant 'fainting' problem. Bone marrow register anyone (I think that just requires a vial of blood)?
"So we can see, the 6th floor, alone, has nearly 2.5 times the space of floors 2-5 combined. More than double the space." - no sarcasm- how the hell did gender odyssey get it before PAX?!
Hail ball.
Just put it next to the Brawndo booth, all will be fine.
My guess? They asked first.
Um..I took my 17 year old son and 12 year old daughter and as far as I can tell I do have a brain. My daughter is still the same person she was before pax as is my son. We met a lot of very cool people at the dinner, breakfast run, exchanging buttons and relaxing in the BYOC. The people we met were the reason we believe that pax was completely awesome!! I am a 39 year old dad/gamer and I would not have traded this years pax experience with my kids for anything. As far as suggestions go, I would have to go with having Will back as keynote...or Bono...ha...
r
No kidding. I just hope that when I have a daughter, I raise her with a good enough self-image and with enough self-esteem that she's not just a victim to every image and idea she comes across, but can think and decide for herself -- much like my mother did with my siblings and I.
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Whereas the stardock girl, IMHO, felt right at home at PAX:
I don't know if I could craft a "no booth babes" rule that would ban the former, and allow the latter.
I used to be able to quickly articulate what PAX was by saying "It's like E3 without the booth babes". But ever since last year, that's no longer true, and my new explanation takes 10 minutes.
Just wait a couple of months (and before you ask, no '06 DVD since a lot of footage got lost, and apparently '04 is out of print or just plain not being sold).
One of the company employees or developers dressing up as a game character for expo doesnt qualify as a "Booth babe". There were a few that didnt know anything about the games, but the majority of them that I came across knew what they were talking about and wernt just there for eye candy.
Also
6. I would like to add support for a creche on-site, not that I minded the few kids I did see running around, I appreciate the strain it puts on the parents. Failing that, anyone want to create a Creche business in Seattle? I know just the weekend to start...
7. And the Looking for Group room sounds like a great idea! The one with the topics/interests on boards?
Thanks again,
That said I really enjoy the convention, here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
- Good selection of things to see
- newer games I didn't expect to see there
- Gabe & Tycho are always such awesome guys
- Plastic badges (much preffered over paper badges hehe)
- Concerts are awesome.
CONS:
- lines took too long, some weren't even necessary at all (we waited in one line for getting into Exhibitors Hall, when we could have just went a certain way and got in VERY easily without the wait time)
- Exhibitors Hall is only open for 5 hrs (which is NOT enough time, believe me)
- way too crowded, hard to get around
- they started Friday's Q&A panel while the line was still packing us in, meaning we missed the first 30 mins (which sucks because if I had known this, we wouldn't have even gone to it and stayed in the Exhibitors Hall instead)
- Some exhibitors took up too much space for no reason, making it hard to walk around things, and because it was packed, I can only assume some companies couldn't fit in there and because of that weren't there
- they need an artist alley...lol (more of a suggestion, I know, but why not, Udon Comics had their artists doing commissions, and they seemed busy!)
My main suggestion is to make the Exhibitor's Hall have longer hours.
The exhibition hall was open for eight hours on Saturday and Sunday. It was only open for five hours on Friday because PAX doesn't start till two.
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Like, if we could compact a 30 minute panel into a 5 minute "real time" panel.
Also, if we can borrow spatial theory from Doctor Who. Why don't we just make each theater "bigger on the inside", so the speak. Like, walk into Walrus theater and it's actually 20-30x bigger when your inside than it appeared on the outside.
Just some thoughts. But I think Khoo might have the resources for this type of project.
You havent been able to do that since pax05.
Pax has grown beyond that, you will miss out on something.
I can dream, can't I?
You and me both...
You... and me both.
If it was announced publicly it could draw way too many people.
Exceptional speaker and longtime D&D player who frequently drops geek culture references. He made a specific point of honoring Gary Gygax's passing on his show.
Yeah it's likely a long shot, but he has been known to engage in wacky stunts and something like PAX could make for a great segment on his show. Someone from PAX should contact his staff, can't hurt to try.