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Sarah Palin: Ice Queen of Mystery and Despair

SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
I think perhaps she deserves her own thread.

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THE Hippocratic principle of vice-presidential picking is a strong injunction to "first, do no harm," and it convinced me that John McCain should and would pick Tim Pawlenty. The initial impression of Sarah Palin does not seem to be observing that principle. Initial reactions of my own, and of the newsheads on television, include

Who?

Two years in office? In the second-least-populous state in the country? I don't normally accept insta-spin from campaigns, but the Obama team is right that this makes the experience argument very, very hard to harp on for John McCain
Someone under investigation for a minor scandal in her state?
There is also the problem that the choice of a woman makes Mr McCain look desperate to have a woman on the ticket. Yes, it was probably a good idea to try to disrupt Barack Obama's message of "change", and to distract from his post-convention bounce. But picking someone so surprising, unknown and relatively inexperienced is either daft or brilliant, but certainly risky. Do you get more "change" than you lose in "experience"? Maybe, but somehow I doubt it. CNN is already previewing the Joe Biden-Sarah Palin debate. Mr Biden may look like a swot or a bully if he picks on her for not knowing the name of the foreign minister of Afghanistan offhand, but looking like a bully is often the running-mate's job.

My instant-prognostication has been wrong before, though. There is everything to play for still, and the Republicans have gotten motivated, disciplined and tough of late. This should be interesting.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
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    The prey is dead and the fellow hunter is unharmed. At least she's more qualified than Dick Cheney.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    So which kid is that? Track? Bristol? Colt 44?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm fairly certain Palin would at least apologize for shooting someone in the face.

    So there is that.

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  • Rufus_ShinraRufus_Shinra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I just thought I would break the ice so that we could get down to it....



    Palin's daughter is preggers, m i rite? olol

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Richy wrote: »
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    The prey is dead and the fellow hunter is unharmed. At least she's more qualified than Dick Cheney.

    Senator Moose! NOOooooooo!

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I just thought I would break the ice so that we could get down to it....



    Palin's daughter is preggers, m i rite? olol
    And a total hypocrite for not having a death grip on her daughter's life depending on who you ask.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Richy wrote: »
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    The prey is dead and the fellow hunter is unharmed. At least she's more qualified than Dick Cheney.

    Senator Moose! NOOooooooo!

    The price of Disloyalty to Palin is high.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

    It makes me think of NASCAR, but otherwise it's a cool name.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I have a feeling that a decade from now there are going to be entire poli sci courses devoted to how McCain fucked up in this campaign, and a good solid month is going to be devoted to why you always vet your pick for VP and exactly how things go wrong when you don't.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I hear that in Alaska the bobcats are official citizens.

    It makes school board meetings very tense.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2008
    Palin's not a hypocrite, but she's a dumbass for supporting the dumbass abstinence-only policy that just doesn't work. Which of course doesn't matter, because sex is bad.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Palin's not a hypocrite, but she's a dumbass for supporting the dumbass abstinence-only policy that just doesn't work. Which of course doesn't matter, because sex is bad.

    We can use http://www.statemaster.com/index.php to look up all kinds of things about Alaska.

    Despite what someone was saying earlier, it does not seem to have a particularly high teen birth rate.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, Obama's too classy to say it, but if abstinence only education doesn't work for children of hyperconservative parents, it doesn't have a chance with children of normal parents.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Palin's not a hypocrite, but she's a dumbass for supporting the dumbass abstinence-only policy that just doesn't work. Which of course doesn't matter, because sex is bad.

    We can use http://www.statemaster.com/index.php to look up all kinds of things about Alaska.

    Despite what someone was saying earlier, it does not seem to have a particularly high teen birth rate.

    Because they can't have sex in the park. You were a teenager once, you know these things go!

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Well, Obama's too classy to say it, but if abstinence only education doesn't work for children of hyperconservative parents, it doesn't have a chance with children of normal parents.

    Why would the success rate of abstinence only education vary based on if one's parents were hyperconservative or "normal" ?

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Well, Obama's too classy to say it, but if abstinence only education doesn't work for children of hyperconservative parents, it doesn't have a chance with children of normal parents.

    Why would the success rate of abstinence only education vary based on if one's parents were hyperconservative or "normal" ?
    If they aren't super conservative then that means they're probably exposing their children to the horrors of teen drama TV.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Alaska has the third highest suicide rate in the nation.

    All that darkness I imagine.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Well, Obama's too classy to say it, but if abstinence only education doesn't work for children of hyperconservative parents, it doesn't have a chance with children of normal parents.

    Why would the success rate of abstinence only education vary based on if one's parents were hyperconservative or "normal" ?
    Because we are assuming that the parents preach abstinence only sex ed too while "normal" parents would teach their children about proper birth control.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited September 2008
    Because hyperconservative parents keep their kids on tighter leashes, typically. The fundamentalist movement would have you believe that raising your kids with strict moral values will automatically translate into a spiritually pure adult.

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  • BoutrosBoutros Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Her 17-year-old daughter is knocked up, supposedly.

    Ah, missed that it had been mentioned.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Because hyperconservative parents keep their kids on tighter leashes, typically. The fundamentalist movement would have you believe that raising your kids with strict moral values will automatically translate into a spiritually pure adult.

    Which, in my personal experience, just seems to make them rebel even more.

    I'm not saying abstinence only education is a good idea, I'm just failing to see how it would work even less well with "normal" parents.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

    It makes me think of NASCAR, but otherwise it's a cool name.

    There was also a vicious chicken of sorts that came from Bristol.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Boutros wrote: »
    Her 17-year-old daughter is knocked up, supposedly.

    Ah, missed that it had been mentioned.
    Mr. Obama, in his first remarks on the matter, raised his voiced when asked whether his campaign or other Democratic operatives were working to advance rumors surrounding the Palin family.

    “Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,” Mr. Obama snapped. “And if I ever thought there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they’d be fired, OK?”

    Mr. Obama said the pregnancy “has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president.” He added that, “my mother had me when she was 18. How family deals with issues and teen-age children – that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics.”

    “So,” he added, “I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories.”

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Which, in my personal experience, just seems to make them rebel even more.

    I'm not saying abstinence only education is a good idea, I'm just failing to see how it would work even less well with "normal" parents.
    It's the Catholic school girl syndrome thing. Zero freedom to unlimited freedom typically results in trouble.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Isn't The Economist decidedly pro-Republican/anti-Democrat? I mean not in the extremist sense, but I thought they defined themselves as conservative or at least conservative-leaning. They seem very harsh toward the Republican party of late.

    Or am I very wrong about this?

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

    It makes me think of NASCAR, but otherwise it's a cool name.

    There was also a vicious chicken of sorts that came from Bristol.

    You guys know Bristol is an actual name you can find in baby books and shit right? It's a rather rare first name but it was an one point a rather popular surname.

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  • SpoonySpoony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Obama doesn't want us talking about Palin's daughter.
    McCain wants to be young and have a good shot at the presidency.

    You can't always get what you want, buster.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Isn't The Economist decidedly pro-Republican/anti-Democrat? I mean not in the extremist sense, but I thought they defined themselves as conservative or at least conservative-leaning. They seem very harsh toward the Republican party of late.

    Or am I very wrong about this?

    The Economist leans toward the international elite.

    So they like free trade, but dislike unilateralism. Basically anti-populism.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

    It makes me think of NASCAR, but otherwise it's a cool name.

    There was also a vicious chicken of sorts that came from Bristol.

    You guys know Bristol is an actual name you can find in baby books and shit right? It's a rather rare first name but it was an one point a rather popular surname.

    Oh come on, we're talking about a gun-toting, god-fearing, flannel-loving bunch of country bumpkins.

    Of COURSE they named her after the NASCAR track.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Isn't The Economist decidedly pro-Republican/anti-Democrat? I mean not in the extremist sense, but I thought they defined themselves as conservative or at least conservative-leaning. They seem very harsh toward the Republican party of late.

    Or am I very wrong about this?

    The Economist leans toward the international elite.

    So they like free trade, but dislike unilateralism. Basically anti-populism.

    Also social conservatism makes them uncomfortable, but if a bunch of backward americans believe it, it isn't their problem.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Oh come on, we're talking about a gun-toting, god-fearing, flannel-loving bunch of country bumpkins.

    Of COURSE they named her after the NASCAR track.

    You are one prejudiced individual.

    And this is coming from a gunless, agnostic, city boy. :P

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Oh come on, we're talking about a gun-toting, god-fearing, flannel-loving bunch of country bumpkins.

    Of COURSE they named her after the NASCAR track.

    You are one prejudiced individual.

    And this is coming from a gunless, agnostic, city boy. :P

    SHE THOUGHT THE PLEDGE WAS CREATED BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS.

    'If 'under god' was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me' was basically what she said.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I actually think Bristol is kind of a nice name.

    There is a town next to where I grew up named Bristol.

    It makes me think of NASCAR, but otherwise it's a cool name.

    There was also a vicious chicken of sorts that came from Bristol.

    You guys know Bristol is an actual name you can find in baby books and shit right? It's a rather rare first name but it was an one point a rather popular surname.

    You can also find "Odysseus" on babynames.com, what's your point?

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Spoony wrote: »
    Obama doesn't want us talking about Palin's daughter.
    McCain wants to be young and have a good shot at the presidency.

    You can't always get what you want, buster.

    Yes, these are things that will never happen :)

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    You can also find "Odysseus" on babynames.com, what's your point?

    I've known someone named Bristol. Their parents didn't watch NASCAR. I guess that's my point.

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  • Rufus_ShinraRufus_Shinra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Isn't The Economist decidedly pro-Republican/anti-Democrat? I mean not in the extremist sense, but I thought they defined themselves as conservative or at least conservative-leaning. They seem very harsh toward the Republican party of late.

    Or am I very wrong about this?
    Yes. The Economist is classic European liberalism. To call that decidedly in favor of one American political party or the other would be at worse a misrepresentation at best a gross oversimplification.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Isn't The Economist decidedly pro-Republican/anti-Democrat? I mean not in the extremist sense, but I thought they defined themselves as conservative or at least conservative-leaning. They seem very harsh toward the Republican party of late.

    Or am I very wrong about this?
    Yes. The Economist is classic European liberalism. To call that decidedly in favor of one American political party or the other would be at worse a misrepresentation at best a gross oversimplification.

    Would it be a net overrepresentation?

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  • SaraLunaSaraLuna Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    she didn't name her kid after bristol, the race track - she named it after bristol, the home of espn.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol,_Connecticut

    not as white trash, but just as dumb

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    She actually named her kid after Bristol Cream Wine.

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