I'm finding scrolling horribly jerky on pages with flash on them, like this. At least I think it's the flash.
It's still faster than in Firefox. Scrolling in Firefox when there is dynamic content visible is just terrible compared to every other browser out there. It bugs me to no end.
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Hah, some of the posts in here are hilarious. If the people writing them (you know who you are) are that picky about food, I shudder to imagine trying to serve them a meal.
(The other funny category, of course, is the handful of people verbally fellating Google.)
Chrome actually has a really nice feature that you guys probably haven't noticed since you all have huge monitors, but at the moment I'm stuck with a 17" CRT so I typically run my browser maximized, and I happened to realize that when you maximize Chrome, the tabs are all clickable from the screen edge.
Now I don't know if any of you are familiar with Fitt's law* or whatever it's called and how it applies to UI design, but basically that means they're infinitely tall targets, and so you can just throw the mouse to the top of the screen without worrying about stopping. This alone makes Chrome a hell of a lot more pleasant to use for me on this machine than other browsers.
Also, all ye programmers should adore the automatic site search feature. Basically go to a site like msdn (or amazon) so it's in your history, then start typing it into the address bar and when the autocomplete is correct press tab and type your search term. This is fucking wonderful.
That said it has its bugs (scrolling is clunky, especially with flash) and oversights that seem more due to it being a beta than anything, but the rest is polished enough for me to use so I've set it to my default browser and we'll see what I think a week from now. The main things I miss from Opera are gestures (less necessary with how the UI is even more streamlined and easy to click) and bookmark synchronization.
Unfortunately WebKit has one extremely irritating bug that they haven't gotten rid of even in the latest builds: animated gifs animate much too slowly.
* The amount of time to acquire a target is a function of the size of the target and the distance to it.
I'm finding scrolling horribly jerky on pages with flash on them, like this. At least I think it's the flash.
It's jerky for me as well so you're not alone :P
Anyway, has anyone successfully managed to make Chrome the default browser? Because I can't :?
tools-options-basics-make default browser
It doesn't do anything, I've already tried doing that and even setting it up via Windows itself but it won't recognize Chrome
Is it because I'm using Vista?
Shouldn't be - it worked fine for me in Vista. I did it a while after installation, it gave me a UAC dialogue, I confirmed and it's set as my default browser.
Something that's worked for me with other programs is to right-click them and Run as Administrator, the set them as default programs.
I'm finding scrolling horribly jerky on pages with flash on them, like this. At least I think it's the flash.
It's jerky for me as well so you're not alone :P
Anyway, has anyone successfully managed to make Chrome the default browser? Because I can't :?
tools-options-basics-make default browser
It doesn't do anything, I've already tried doing that and even setting it up via Windows itself but it won't recognize Chrome
Is it because I'm using Vista?
Shouldn't be - it worked fine for me in Vista. I did it a while after installation, it gave me a UAC dialogue, I confirmed and it's set as my default browser.
Something that's worked for me with other programs is to right-click them and Run as Administrator, the set them as default programs.
I'm coming from Opera and I'm glad to have fucking spell check back (the real kind) and a non-cluttered UI from the get-go.
I don't know what it is about Opera and this machine, but I've been through multiple hard drive wipes (XP->Vista->Vista 64) and after a few weeks Opera decides to start being a dick. At least Vista is nice about it "Opera.exe has stopped working". Oh how lovely.
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sorry if it's been talked about, but isn't that sort of alarming?
Score! Awesome, hopefully soon they follow through with this. So far it is great, but largely incomplete and does need it's plugins. I just hope that it does not stay in beta as long as GMAIL. >_>;
It's been a few hours now, and Chrome is still going strong. I haven't needed to restart it in order to recover memory or CPU cycles, nor has it become progressively slower and unresponsive over time. I occasionally have these problems with Firefox, so this is important to me.
As to the licence to reproduce your work: It says that it's exclusively for the purpose of promoting Google's services, so I figure that means something along the lines of Youtube putting your video on the front page or in some sort of advertisement for it. That's just a guess, though... what does everyone else think?
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sorry if it's been talked about, but isn't that sort of alarming?
How so? Sounds like baseless fear-mongering to me.
Well, it basically says that if you write something through Chrome, say on a word processing web app, that google can take it and distribute it however they want to (services are not just defined as chrome, but as all services that google provides.) Or that anything you input into the browser can be sold to ad companies. I don't know, to me that sounds worrisome, not at all to you?
Anyhow, I think I'll use a version compiled from the source code instead since there's no license agreement involved there.
Well, it basically says that if you write something through Chrome, say on a word processing web app, that google can take it and distribute it however they want to (services are not just defined as chrome, but as all services that google provides.) Or that anything you input into the browser can be sold to ad companies. I don't know, to me that sounds worrisome, not at all to you?
I think you're reading too much into it. IANAL, but it sounds like a boilerplate agreement for services such as Google Docs. They need legal permission to be able to provide that information to other parties, because if they didn't they would be liable for copyright infringement. A couple of years ago there was a shitstorm over a similar policy by some site that I don't specifically remember (might have been the groups part of MSN). It also sounds like section 11.4 covers their ass with regards to copyright infringement suits from third parties if one of their users were to make copyrighted works available through the service.
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That doesn't sound bad. If that's all it is then that's fine by me. Why doesn't firefox have anything like that in it's license agreement, though?
I'm not sure. If you look at the licensing page for Chromium things are very different. Basically it states the license it's under (BSD), references to licenses for third party software (libxml is under the MIT license), and the license itself.
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huh, some avatars here are a little slow in their fps. Like taloisfalcon's up at the top of the page. Strange...
That's a WebKit bug. Animated gifs are played too slowly. Been the same in Safari for ages. Pretty goddamn annoying sometimes. I'm surprised there's never been a bigger uproar about it.
It's like when people went looking through Steam's container files, found fragments of their old files in there and were "OMG VALVES IS STEALING MAH INFOZ", because people didn't understand how filesystems work.
Holy shit this is fucking gold. GOLD. Also: Read the fucking comic book (Even if you hate Scott McCloud), it explains everything. And that everything is pure awesome.
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Well, it basically says that if you write something through Chrome, say on a word processing web app, that google can take it and distribute it however they want to (services are not just defined as chrome, but as all services that google provides.) Or that anything you input into the browser can be sold to ad companies. I don't know, to me that sounds worrisome, not at all to you?
Anyhow, I think I'll use a version compiled from the source code instead since there's no license agreement involved there.
It's just the standard EULA for all google products. It's all for their ad service.
And since you can turn the "send usage statistics" off in Chrome I don't see the big deal.
I'm quite impressed with it so far. The speed is the biggest plus over Firefox I've noticed. I don't mind the minimalistic layout either. It feels much more browser a lot less clutter.
I am having major problems with flash type stuff. Example: games on kongregate.com. I've gotten some hella freeze-age on it. Now, I was under the impression that a fault in one tab wouldn't mess the other ones. Guess that doesn't apply when it messes up the entire system as I couldn't do anything when I got these slow downs. Not other tabs, not other windows, not other programs.
they can't seperate out plugins. in the comic it is explained that plugins are off in thier own process, so i guess if Flash goes down, it goes down in all tabs.
One of my favourite websites, Deezer.com, causes Chrome to give a long and horrible shudder as it grinds to a halt. Every. Single. Time. It's a pain in the ass, because I always have Deezer open with music on in the background.
I'm using Deezer on Chrome right now, and having no problems. It DID take over a minute to display anything the first time I visited the site, but on subsequent visits it loads instantly and works without any problems, although scrolling is not as smooth as other sites.
I don't know what's up with that, because I still can't get it to show. It just gives me the sad tab.
I'm going to stick with it a week, and see how I get on full time with it. There's a couple fo things that annoy me already, but maybe I'll get used to them.
I seriously just hope that Chrome picks up a lot of speed like all other Google apps and fun stuff, but DOES NOT END UP IN BETA FOREVER.
Fucking Gmail has been in 'beta' for years. >_>;
I thought Gmail wasn't in beta anymore?
edit: just checked, it is. I'll be damned, it HAS been in beta for forever. Oh well, it's still my primary e-mail address.
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Yeah, amazingly, Gmail is still in "beta." Mostly due to un-frequent outages and stuff, which I guess they use to cover their asses and say, "See, it's still in beta!"
I mean, Google can keep releasing stuff that's called beta in perpetuity if they wanted. As long as it's stable and robust, why should anyone care about their semantics? Blah, says I. It's just means it's cutting-edge and shit.
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It's still faster than in Firefox. Scrolling in Firefox when there is dynamic content visible is just terrible compared to every other browser out there. It bugs me to no end.
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It doesn't do anything, I've already tried doing that and even setting it up via Windows itself but it won't recognize Chrome
Is it because I'm using Vista?
I'm using XP and it worked fine for me...
(The other funny category, of course, is the handful of people verbally fellating Google.)
Chrome actually has a really nice feature that you guys probably haven't noticed since you all have huge monitors, but at the moment I'm stuck with a 17" CRT so I typically run my browser maximized, and I happened to realize that when you maximize Chrome, the tabs are all clickable from the screen edge.
Now I don't know if any of you are familiar with Fitt's law* or whatever it's called and how it applies to UI design, but basically that means they're infinitely tall targets, and so you can just throw the mouse to the top of the screen without worrying about stopping. This alone makes Chrome a hell of a lot more pleasant to use for me on this machine than other browsers.
Also, all ye programmers should adore the automatic site search feature. Basically go to a site like msdn (or amazon) so it's in your history, then start typing it into the address bar and when the autocomplete is correct press tab and type your search term. This is fucking wonderful.
That said it has its bugs (scrolling is clunky, especially with flash) and oversights that seem more due to it being a beta than anything, but the rest is polished enough for me to use so I've set it to my default browser and we'll see what I think a week from now. The main things I miss from Opera are gestures (less necessary with how the UI is even more streamlined and easy to click) and bookmark synchronization.
Unfortunately WebKit has one extremely irritating bug that they haven't gotten rid of even in the latest builds: animated gifs animate much too slowly.
* The amount of time to acquire a target is a function of the size of the target and the distance to it.
Shouldn't be - it worked fine for me in Vista. I did it a while after installation, it gave me a UAC dialogue, I confirmed and it's set as my default browser.
Something that's worked for me with other programs is to right-click them and Run as Administrator, the set them as default programs.
(WHY!?)
It worked like a charm, thanks Cyvros
No problem. Needs must when UAC gets in the way.
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Yes, source code released at Google Code under the name "chromium". No news on plugins yet.
The source code's available here and this page on plugin architecture was the only thing I could find about plugins.
I'm coming from Opera and I'm glad to have fucking spell check back (the real kind) and a non-cluttered UI from the get-go.
I don't know what it is about Opera and this machine, but I've been through multiple hard drive wipes (XP->Vista->Vista 64) and after a few weeks Opera decides to start being a dick. At least Vista is nice about it "Opera.exe has stopped working". Oh how lovely.
If this thing is stable I'm all on board.
sorry if it's been talked about, but isn't that sort of alarming?
Score! Awesome, hopefully soon they follow through with this. So far it is great, but largely incomplete and does need it's plugins. I just hope that it does not stay in beta as long as GMAIL. >_>;
As to the licence to reproduce your work: It says that it's exclusively for the purpose of promoting Google's services, so I figure that means something along the lines of Youtube putting your video on the front page or in some sort of advertisement for it. That's just a guess, though... what does everyone else think?
Anyhow, I think I'll use a version compiled from the source code instead since there's no license agreement involved there.
I think you're reading too much into it. IANAL, but it sounds like a boilerplate agreement for services such as Google Docs. They need legal permission to be able to provide that information to other parties, because if they didn't they would be liable for copyright infringement. A couple of years ago there was a shitstorm over a similar policy by some site that I don't specifically remember (might have been the groups part of MSN). It also sounds like section 11.4 covers their ass with regards to copyright infringement suits from third parties if one of their users were to make copyrighted works available through the service.
I'm not sure. If you look at the licensing page for Chromium things are very different. Basically it states the license it's under (BSD), references to licenses for third party software (libxml is under the MIT license), and the license itself.
Don't like it? Compile it yourself then without the EULA, the whole project is open source, after all. :P
Now, back on the JS, here's an awesome real-world example of why Chrome's compiled JS rocks:
http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/textures.htm
Run it in FF, Safari, Opera.... then Chrome. Don't forget to enable the hi-res textures. Prepare to be blown away.
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That's a WebKit bug. Animated gifs are played too slowly. Been the same in Safari for ages. Pretty goddamn annoying sometimes. I'm surprised there's never been a bigger uproar about it.
Sooo, no fix for that? >_>;
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It was an official registered bug, but I think they killed it because it's in ImageIO or something else that WebKit relies on and not WebKit itself.
It's just the standard EULA for all google products. It's all for their ad service.
And since you can turn the "send usage statistics" off in Chrome I don't see the big deal.
Fucking Gmail has been in 'beta' for years. >_>;
I am having major problems with flash type stuff. Example: games on kongregate.com. I've gotten some hella freeze-age on it. Now, I was under the impression that a fault in one tab wouldn't mess the other ones. Guess that doesn't apply when it messes up the entire system as I couldn't do anything when I got these slow downs. Not other tabs, not other windows, not other programs.
I don't know what's up with that, because I still can't get it to show. It just gives me the sad tab.
I thought Gmail wasn't in beta anymore?
edit: just checked, it is. I'll be damned, it HAS been in beta for forever. Oh well, it's still my primary e-mail address.
I mean, Google can keep releasing stuff that's called beta in perpetuity if they wanted. As long as it's stable and robust, why should anyone care about their semantics? Blah, says I. It's just means it's cutting-edge and shit.
I mean c'mon 0-day beta, gimme some user mods for crying out loud!
This is going to take some time.