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EchoEcho ski-bapba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
edited December 2006 in Critical Failures
This is here for some discussion about the direction of this subforum.

For starters: what level of granularity would be good? I just locked a 40k thread about a Forgeworld release, since that kinda felt too limited and had already been mentioned (and splooged over) in the big 40k thread.

But some topics are clearly to big and/or awesome to be contained in a single thread. D&D/d20 is the obvious example here, what with its myriad different campaign settings.

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Echo wrote:
    This is here for some discussion about the direction of this subforum.

    For starters: what level of granularity would be good? I just locked a 40k thread about a Forgeworld release, since that kinda felt too limited and had already been mentioned (and splooged over) in the big 40k thread.

    But some topics are clearly to big and/or awesome to be contained in a single thread. D&D/d20 is the obvious example here, what with its myriad different campaign settings.
    I think that 40k probably deserves a megathread, but I can't think of much else that would, other than M:TG. I don't see a problem with making new threads, especially when this doesn't move as fast as some other parts of the forum.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    This forum is pretty much just developing its identity, which is amazing to watch. On one hand, we have a ton of games that already have their own threads, and justifiably so -- each game is unique. Then we also have generic gaming discussions, 3 threads each (minimum) for Warhammer and Magic, and a couple of news threads. Oh.. and only one boardgame thread, at least that I've seen so far.

    Personally, I am of the mindset that each game should get its own thread, and its own news should stay in that. News posts should be about new/upcoming games, announcements, or those "earth-shattering" kind of things that really don't happen as often in the tabletop universe. Conventions should also get their own threads. Now, this does leave some ambiguity -- Is D20 considered a game, or is it D&D and all its offshoots? And what about all the different campaigns for D&D? ... Well, D&D is just a mess. =P

    As I said in a recent PM, I see this forum being a place with fewer threads and more posts -- hence why Captain K put the image limiter in place already. But for the most part, my opinions are illustrated above. =)

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Eh, I'm a big fan of the "go with the flow" school of thought. Also, since seeing how much nicer D&D is without them, I've grown to hate megathreads. We can lock threads that don't have enough content to warrant a full thread, and I'm sure people will eventually get an idea of what flies and what doesn't.

    I don't think I want to go quite as hardcore with the original post requirements as we do in D&D, but somewhere roughly in-between where D&D and SE++ are, leaning a little more towards D&D would be good.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Also of consideration is tone. We're the geeks in the basement, expousing our love. It's gonna be a smaller sub-forum, no matter what we do. I can see a lot of people coming through here because they have an interest in tabletop gaming, but being too afraid to go to the hardcore sites, or otherwise look for info. We need to have a bit of the ambassadorial feel that G&T is aiming for now.

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Also of consideration is tone. We're the geeks in the basement, expousing our love. It's gonna be a smaller sub-forum, no matter what we do. I can see a lot of people coming through here because they have an interest in tabletop gaming, but being too afraid to go to the hardcore sites, or otherwise look for info. We need to have a bit of the ambassadorial feel that G&T is aiming for now.
    I think that mandating that sort of thing is a bit bad news bears. I'd like to see that kind of tone develop, but kludging it by making it a rule or something like that seems like a misstep.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Also of consideration is tone. We're the geeks in the basement, expousing our love. It's gonna be a smaller sub-forum, no matter what we do. I can see a lot of people coming through here because they have an interest in tabletop gaming, but being too afraid to go to the hardcore sites, or otherwise look for info. We need to have a bit of the ambassadorial feel that G&T is aiming for now.
    I think that mandating that sort of thing is a bit bad news bears. I'd like to see that kind of tone develop, but kludging it by making it a rule or something like that seems like a misstep.
    I'm just gonna ban anyone who's ruining peoples' fun.

    Except me. Because I'm supposed to ruin peoples' fun.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    .. I didn't mean to imply I would be ruining anyone's fun! Meep. =(

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    .. I didn't mean to imply I would be ruining anyone's fun! Meep. =(
    I was referring to the people who aren't nice to other people. Not you.

    Though, I could ban you too, if you really wanted.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Yeah, about that 40k thread. I didn't kill it because it was "just another 40k thread". I did so because the very basis of the thread was discussed in the megthread a day ago.
    I really think it should be mod discretion, supposing that the mods act reasonably. Some topics may deserve to be outside the scope of megathreads.

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  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    IMO-
    Big threads are rather intimidating to read through, and somebody who wants to talk about one thing may not want to read through the whole thread just to see if something was mentioned.
    Not to say that one big thread on various subjects wouldn't be nice- there are some things you want to discuss about a game that don't deserve an entire thread. And cluttering the board with one-page threads sucks. But if you fit everything about the game into one thread, it becomes a bit long and tangents that really could be an entire thread could derail other discussions.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    IMO-
    Big threads are rather intimidating to read through, and somebody who wants to talk about one thing may not want to read through the whole thread just to see if something was mentioned.
    Not to say that one big thread on various subjects wouldn't be nice- there are some things you want to discuss about a game that don't deserve an entire thread. And cluttering the board with one-page threads sucks. But if you fit everything about the game into one thread, it becomes a bit long and tangents that really could be an entire thread could derail other discussions.
    You can search the megathread with the search option.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    There is no reason for "megathreads only" in a forum with such a small subject matter... I don't see the problem with threads specific to segments of a game as compared to the larger spectrum..


    For instance... we wouldn't lock a thread about Mario 64 to go in a Nintendo 64 megathread..


    my 2 cents.

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  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    PipTheFair wrote:
    IMO-
    Big threads are rather intimidating to read through, and somebody who wants to talk about one thing may not want to read through the whole thread just to see if something was mentioned.
    Not to say that one big thread on various subjects wouldn't be nice- there are some things you want to discuss about a game that don't deserve an entire thread. And cluttering the board with one-page threads sucks. But if you fit everything about the game into one thread, it becomes a bit long and tangents that really could be an entire thread could derail other discussions.
    You can search the megathread with the search option.

    And you can google for advice instead of asking people on the forum. But converstation can be rather stymied.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2006
    I was going to make a thread organizing Magic Booster Drafts via their online client and try making it a weekly event. I felt the current game on thread was too broad, given the numerous formats Magic can have, to organize such a thing.

    Thoughts?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    PipTheFair wrote:
    IMO-
    Big threads are rather intimidating to read through, and somebody who wants to talk about one thing may not want to read through the whole thread just to see if something was mentioned.
    Not to say that one big thread on various subjects wouldn't be nice- there are some things you want to discuss about a game that don't deserve an entire thread. And cluttering the board with one-page threads sucks. But if you fit everything about the game into one thread, it becomes a bit long and tangents that really could be an entire thread could derail other discussions.
    You can search the megathread with the search option.

    And you can google for advice instead of asking people on the forum. But converstation can be rather stymied.
    You seem to have missed what I was trying to get across.
    I didn't imply that everything has already been posted and thus there is no reason to post it. I meant that if people would take 20 seconds to search to see if what they're about to post or ask has already been done.
    Take the Deathkorps thread. There was no need for it. It was in the megathread. All the poster would've had to do was search and then bump the announcement with something along the lines of "If everybody hasn't already seen this yet, they should." Or something along those lines.

    Also, the megathread is there for advice.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I say the big games get a single or possibly two, one for rules and questions another for modeling? And small stuff get one thread. Unless of course we get some big groud breaking rules changes like them announing a new edition of 40k. That could deverse it's own thread for rumors and disscussions.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    I was going to make a thread organizing Magic Booster Drafts via their online client and try making it a weekly event. I felt the current game on thread was too broad, given the numerous formats Magic can have, to organize such a thing.

    Thoughts?
    Put together a quality, informative, detailed OP, and go for it. :^:

    Also, let's not debate the merits of megathreads in here. Suffice to say that I, personally, intend to strictly enforce the rules against thread assassination.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Another thing to discuss is exactly what deserves a sticky.

    As an example, I knew I'd seen a thread on "homebrew" D&D settings, and went looking for it this afternoon to look for some feedback on a setting I'm designing. It was near the bottom of the page, so all was good... but if I'd waited until tomorrow to look for it, it might have been on page 2. If I'd not known it was there to look for, I might have started a new thread.

    Now, is that type of thing worth a sticky? It's something that might fall off of a page, due to not being touched for a while, but at the same time useful to someone just finding the forums (if nothing else, you can learn a lot reading suggestions made to other people). But if it is worth a sticky, then what else is? Where can we draw the line that useful stuff gets stickied but we don't end up with a half page or more of stickies? Maybe an index post stickied with a list of useful threads?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I'd say an index would be a great idea. I have a feeling this forum is going to get really jumbled soon.

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  • ToadTheMushroomToadTheMushroom Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I dont like the name.

    :cry:

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I dont like the name.

    :cry:
    I don't like your face.

    Also, thanatos. I'm not saying there should only be megathreads and nothing else. There are plenty of reasons to make new threads, but people need to use common sense. Theres a big difference between a 'Hey guyz new modal iz cool' and 'Let's discuss Strategies for taking on Eldar'.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Indeed. I mean, I can see a thread for 40k army comp working very well, alongside the general "cool modeling and gaming and news shit" in the big 40k thread.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Well really, that forgeworld thread was basically the equivalent of a "linksville lol" thread.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    WHY wrote:
    Well really, that forgeworld thread was basically the equivalent of a "linksville lol" thread.

    Agreed. We are kinda holding ourselves to a "role" player and not a "roll" player standard (no offense board and card and wargamers, I'm using it as a point =P )...

    We should be expected that if we are gonna make a new thread, it should have content behind it. Not volumes and volumes, mind you, but not just a link.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    As far as I can tell, the "one thread per topic, one topic per thread" guideline will solve 90% of our potential problems.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2006
    I would recomend that if you lock a topic due to being too nitch/limited content, provide a link to the thread which should contain that info/topic/whatever.

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  • SonarSonar Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    What about games being played out?

    Like that chess thread I tried in G&T?

    Or a roleplaying game?

    Are those out?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Sonar wrote:
    What about games being played out?

    Like that chess thread I tried in G&T?

    Or a roleplaying game?

    Are those out?
    You mean like threads where you play games inside the thread?

    Have at.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Sonar wrote:
    What about games being played out?

    Like that chess thread I tried in G&T?

    Or a roleplaying game?

    Are those out?
    You mean like threads where you play games inside the thread?

    Have at.

    It seems to me that traditionally, currently active games detailed in threads are marked with a [Game On] in the thread title, and ones that just discuss game systems do not.

    I don't see any reason to buck the status quo on that.

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  • Alexan DriteAlexan Drite Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I've been thinking about this for a bit.
    In Graphic Violence there is one big thread to ask all sorts of questions. These are anything really, such as "Why did Aunt May marry Doctor Octopus?" or "Is the JLA/Avengers crossover considered canon/in continuity?". These are questions which are generally solvable, easy, and narrow in purpose.
    The jist of it is:
    This is the thread where you ask questions about things you are too lazy to look up.

    I think we should have a sort of " Ask Whippy! (Or whoever really)" here as well.

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  • The CelestialThe Celestial Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I think we should have a sort of " Ask Whippy! (Or whoever really)" here as well.
    Agreed. We've got one in the AC and it clears up alot of uneeded threads.

    Also, being the anal-retentive one that I am, I think we need at least two other stickies.

    A tools thread. There will be a bunch of links to free and unlicensed tools and resources for DM and players alike. First post is D20, second is Games Workshop stuff, third is Magic, etc etc.

    Also a "So you want to play [game]?" thread for the big three. Something akin to the "So you want to start reading X-Men?" thread in GV. It will a thread that provides new players with everything they need to get started on each game. It's up to the higher powers as to which games warrent their own stickies.

    edit: I'll start working on those.

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  • -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I don't know if we really need a bunch of "so you want to play-" threads. If the big games have their own threads wouldn't it be easy enough to answer begginer's questions there or incorporate something into their OP's.

    I'm wondering with regards to miniature gaming, whether or not personal threads should be the norm or not. Something like when Jamsessionein was doing his Stomper Gargant project seems like it should have it's own thread here. I'd like to know what other people think about it.

    Personally I think people should be able to have their own threads for more larger projects, such as a whole army. While we also have the current painting showcase thread for more one off stuff.

    Although I'd like to make a general painting/conversion help/techniques and discussion thread, I'm unsure though if this could be something incorporated into the "show off your painting" broadening it a bit into a more general purpose thread.


    We need to find a balance if we're going to keep the megathread format. A general discussion thread for each of the various game systems is important, but it kinda negates the purpose of a sub forum if we stuff everything into a couple of threads.

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  • The CelestialThe Celestial Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    -SPI- wrote:
    I don't know if we really need a bunch of "so you want to play-" threads. If the big games have their own threads wouldn't it be easy enough to answer begginer's questions there or incorporate something into their OP's.
    I submit the idea that you are a doodiehead.

    [spoiler:300616be04]Okay, your idea is better then mine.[/spoiler:300616be04]

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  • ChorazinChorazin Lancaster, PARegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I think we should have a sort of " Ask Whippy! (Or whoever really)" here as well.
    Agreed. We've got one in the AC and it clears up alot of uneeded threads.

    Also, being the anal-retentive one that I am, I think we need at least two other stickies.

    A tools thread. There will be a bunch of links to free and unlicensed tools and resources for DM and players alike. First post is D20, second is Games Workshop stuff, third is Magic, etc etc.

    Also a "So you want to play [game]?" thread for the big three. Something akin to the "So you want to start reading X-Men?" thread in GV. It will a thread that provides new players with everything they need to get started on each game. It's up to the higher powers as to which games warrent their own stickies.

    edit: I'll start working on those.

    We should have it called "Ask a GM (or anyone who argues with a GM)"

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I personally don't think this forum is big enough, or moving fast enough yet, to warrant a tools sticky or a "so you want to play X" sticky. An "Ask the GM" style Q&A thread, maybe, but only if we keep it to general gaming (not specific engines) and so on.

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  • EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    I think a thread about a single Forgeworld release is silly.

    I think a thread about Forgeworld releases in general is adequate.
    -SPI- wrote:
    I'm wondering with regards to miniature gaming, whether or not personal threads should be the norm or not. Something like when Jamsessionein was doing his Stomper Gargant project seems like it should have it's own thread here. I'd like to know what other people think about it.

    I've actually been working on that the past few days, and wondering if I could get away with a thread on it.

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  • TheOtherHorsemanTheOtherHorseman Registered User regular
    edited September 2006
    You might as well make a thread centered on scratchbuilding cool mini-stuff, and make your gargant the centerpiece.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited September 2006
    We talked a bit about D&M chat threads in ze mod forum, and the conclusion was "no way". However, we totally support a "pickup" thread for everything else and quick questions that aren't threadworthy, kind of like the WoW chat thread works.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited September 2006
    Echo wrote:
    We talked a bit about D&M chat threads in ze mod forum, and the conclusion was "no way". However, we totally support a "pickup" thread for everything else and quick questions that aren't threadworthy, kind of like the WoW chat thread works.

    As I said, this I wholeheartedly support. But we need a better term than "chat" thread.

    Advice thread, perhaps?

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