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Hammer attack on Philadelphia subway

OrganichuOrganichu poopspeesRegistered User regular
edited September 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
As the SEPTA subway train rocked forward, a thirty-something guy leaned over near the doorway and gently planted a kiss on the little boy at his side.

When the train neared the Fairmount Avenue stop shortly after midnight on Thursday, the man reached out like an adoring parent and directed the 3- or 4-year-old tyke to an open seat.

Then he flew into a monstrous rage.

Without uttering a word, police said, the unidentified man whipped out a double-claw hammer and began bludgeoning a 20-year-old man who was dozing off in his seat.

For five long minutes, SEPTA surveillance cameras captured the deranged attacker - who was still on the loose late last night- digging his hammer into the man's head and neck.

Through it all, disgusted investigators said, at least 10 passengers stood by and did nothing as the random attack moved from the train to the platform, when the hammer-wielding maniac tried to push his victim down onto the train tracks.

When the beating was finished and the suspect fled with the little boy, the victim staggered back onto the train, bloodied, confused and alone, said Detective Kenneth Roach, of Central Detectives.

And even then, no one tried to help him.

"Somebody should have helped this guy," Roach said. "I understand the [other] guy had a hammer, but they outnumbered him at least 10 to one."

Miraculously, the victim took the subway up to Temple University Hospital, received several staples and sutures and was discharged, Roach said.

The motive remains a mystery.

"I'm baffled," Roach said. "He had no reason to do that. It was unprovoked. The victim was just going home from work, minding his own business, listening to his iPod."

Roach said that the victim, whose name was not released, boarded the subway at City Hall.

The attacker - a bearded, stocky, 5-foot-9-inch black man who wore a yellow shirt and black pants - also got on at City Hall, with a youngster who may or may not be his child.

The victim and the hammer-toting psychopath never exchanged a word or a glance, Roach said.

"According to the victim, there was no contact or verbal discussion," he said. "They didn't even notice each other."

The hammer was hidden in a black-and-yellow book bag that the attacker clutched throughout the short subway ride.

The little boy dashed off the train with the other passengers during the brutal beat-down, but was later seen running back on to recover the book bag. The boy and the suspect are seen on camera leaving together.

Roach described the attacker as "very dangerous" and asked anyone who knows him to contact police at 215-686-3093 or -3094.

So, as a Philadelphian this is pretty scary stuff. I ride the Orange Line (the one mentioned here) pretty often, and many times I've entered/exited at the same stops as the attacker.

I don't want to have a regurgitation of the Greyhound stabbing topic... so try to keep it civil.

SEPTA has been terribly complacent in their security logistics despite several assaults and robberies in the trains/on the platforms recently. It's to the point where as an athletic young man, I don't feel comfortable asking friends to meet me places... especially females. I always travel to them because I'm concerned that the Philadelphia residents who ride these trains wouldn't do anything to help my smaller or female friends in the event of something crazy. It's really frightening.

I'm not sure how much discussion is to be offered here, but maybe this'll vitalize it a little bit: this particular line (the Broad Street line) services several high schools, public and private. These teenagers in some ways exacerbate the problem, but even so, how can the city watch as a line populated by kids, basically, falls to crap?

This is making me angry. :(

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I just found a photo of the victim, poor guy...
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    oh god I'm so sorry

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  • MrRezisterMrRezister Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    That's not good at all. They should probably ban hammers.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    MrRezister wrote: »
    That's not good at all. They should probably ban hammers.

    Hah, someone on another forum beat you to that one. ;-)

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Nonsense, they should ban little boys.

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    edited September 2008
    Man, I knew Hammer was down on his luck since 2 Legit but I never thought he'd start attacking people on the train. Why didn't somebody stop him and say, please, Hammer, don't hurt 'em?

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Feral wrote: »
    Man, I knew Hammer was down on his luck since 2 Legit but I never thought he'd start attacking people on the train. Why didn't somebody stop him and say, please, Hammer, don't hurt 'em?

    Well, there's nothing we can do. He's literally untouchable.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    We should ban random

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    We should ban random

    Don't give Tube ideas.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Wow, I don't really know what to say, but in the interests of having at least one productive post in the first 10, did anyone call the cops while it was happening?

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm guessing nobody called the cops, and that what they know was based on security camera footage?

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    What was the guy listening to on his iPod?

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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Peter Gabriel, perhaps.

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  • muninnmuninn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well SEPTA security is too busy ejecting music performers from subways and trainstations, to actually help with passanger safety.
    Philly is an ugly city, so the passenger apathy is no surprise here...

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    muninn wrote: »
    Philly is an ugly city, so the passenger apathy is no surprise here...

    Most Inappropriately Named City?

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    here is the description of the man who attacked him
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  • HylianbunnyHylianbunny Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    I just found a photo of the victim, poor guy...
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    oh god I'm so sorry

    Don't be, I burst out laughing. :lol:

    Anyone reminded of the one incident with the bus? The decapitation and all that?

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  • edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »

    So, as a Philadelphian this is pretty scary stuff.


    This is such a ridiculously random incident it doesnt matter where you live. Its like getting struck by lightning.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah he mentioned the greyhound stabbing in the OP...

    I at least partly understand people not wanting to tango with crazy hammer wielding dude, but you would think someone would offer to help the victim afterwards.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »

    So, as a Philadelphian this is pretty scary stuff.


    This is such a ridiculously random incident it doesnt matter where you live. Its like getting struck by lightning.

    I meant the reaction of the passengers, many of whom ride daily. I recognize one of the guys in this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p4np9zJNtQ

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    the fuck..

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, the video is kinda scary. How do you know then when you confront him he won't pull a gun out of that bag just like he pulled out the hammer?

    I can't really blame the passengers for not stopping him when I see how close he was to that backpack for most of the time.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Maybe this is some sort of new gang initiation...?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this. What the fuck are they supposed to do, put a cop on every goddamn car of the subway? It's just not logistically possible; people need to self-police to a certain degree, not stand around and just let someone be attacked like that, then do absolutely nothing to help afterwards.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    On the plus side, I am now forever justified for having the habit of figuring out how to kill everyone around me. Because I may need to.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.

    If I made more money I'd look at Seattle, but as it is... eh. I get the impression that I couldn't live as close to an urban center on the West Coast (in my price range).

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.
    If I made more money I'd look at Seattle, but as it is... eh. I get the impression that I couldn't live as close to an urban center on the West Coast (in my price range).
    I would be very surprised if the cost of living in Philadelphia is lower than it is in Seattle.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this.

    Most people in Philadelphia don't blame the cops. This is a very pro-cop city (except amongst the very poor). People blame SEPTA, which while perhaps holding some validity is still off the mark because, as you say, people should be blaming... people. D:

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.

    If I made more money I'd look at Seattle, but as it is... eh. I get the impression that I couldn't live as close to an urban center on the West Coast (in my price range).

    Seattle is cheaper than a California city, and you may not need a car at all. Seattle is only unaffordable relative to inland cities.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this.
    Most people in Philadelphia don't blame the cops. This is a very pro-cop city (except amongst the very poor). People blame SEPTA, which while perhaps holding some validity is still off the mark because, as you say, people should be blaming... people. D:
    I was assuming SEPTA is the subway cops; are they something different...?

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.
    If I made more money I'd look at Seattle, but as it is... eh. I get the impression that I couldn't live as close to an urban center on the West Coast (in my price range).
    I would be very surprised if the cost of living in Philadelphia is lower than it is in Seattle.

    It is very possible for me to get a 1br apartment for under $1,000 within walking distance of the city center. Granted it's not the financial center, but it's about as 'bustling' as Philly gets outside of the UoP campus.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.

    Philly is a different animal than Boston or NYC.
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    I just found a photo of the victim, poor guy...
    drhorrible_io9.flv.jpg

    oh god I'm so sorry

    Security camera footage of the assailant

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    It is very possible for me to get a 1br apartment for under $1,000 within walking distance of the city center. Granted it's not the financial center, but it's about as 'bustling' as Philly gets outside of the UoP campus.

    You can get places in Seattle for under $500.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this.

    Most people in Philadelphia don't blame the cops. This is a very pro-cop city (except amongst the very poor). People blame SEPTA, which while perhaps holding some validity is still off the mark because, as you say, people should be blaming... people. D:

    I blame the guy with the hammer. :|

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this.
    Most people in Philadelphia don't blame the cops. This is a very pro-cop city (except amongst the very poor). People blame SEPTA, which while perhaps holding some validity is still off the mark because, as you say, people should be blaming... people. D:
    I was assuming SEPTA is the subway cops; are they something different...?

    SEPTA is the entire transit system (South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority). Sorry, I thought you meant the PPD. Yes, some people blame the SEPTA security guards, which as I said is dumb... after the incidents about 4 months back (including the beating to death of a popular figure, manager of a Starbucks near City Hall), SEPTA increased their presence greatly. So did the PPD, in fact.

    Now that the incidents have really escalated I think SEPTA is doing an alright job under the circumstances. Not everyone does, though.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    This is one reason why I don't like East Coast cities.
    If I made more money I'd look at Seattle, but as it is... eh. I get the impression that I couldn't live as close to an urban center on the West Coast (in my price range).
    I would be very surprised if the cost of living in Philadelphia is lower than it is in Seattle.
    It is very possible for me to get a 1br apartment for under $1,000 within walking distance of the city center. Granted it's not the financial center, but it's about as 'bustling' as Philly gets outside of the UoP campus.
    I'm paying $500 for one bedroom of a two-bedroom apartment. The one-bedrooms in the building go for about $750, I think, and while I'm not within walking distance of downtown, there are four different buses that run from here to there, and I'm three blocks from a goddamn lake.

    Pacific Northwest cities are crazy-cheap.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    It is very possible for me to get a 1br apartment for under $1,000 within walking distance of the city center. Granted it's not the financial center, but it's about as 'bustling' as Philly gets outside of the UoP campus.

    You can get places in Seattle for under $500.

    Whaaaaaaat? The Liberal media has lied to me! D:


    edit: t than: damnit. I've been misled for sure.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    It is very possible for me to get a 1br apartment for under $1,000 within walking distance of the city center. Granted it's not the financial center, but it's about as 'bustling' as Philly gets outside of the UoP campus.

    You can get places in Seattle for under $500.

    Whaaaaaaat? The Liberal media has lied to me! D:


    edit: t than: damnit. I've been misled for sure.
    According to this calculator, cost of living in Seattle is about 7% less than Philadelphia.

    East Coast cities are fucking expensive to live in. All of them. Personally, I don't get it.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And you know what? As someone who fucking hates cops, I can't believe people are blaming the cops for this. What the fuck are they supposed to do, put a cop on every goddamn car of the subway? It's just not logistically possible; people need to self-police to a certain degree, not stand around and just let someone be attacked like that, then do absolutely nothing to help afterwards.

    Slightly anecdotal and totally divorced from real-life, situations like this remind me of the phenomenon on online MMO communities regarding the tendency for random strangers to completely ignore to calls of help from people if not already part of the same small sub-group (guild) or people. I suppose it's a trend of inward thinking of late that 'someone else will deal with it, why do I have to get involved', which is a pretty terrible way of viewing one's responsibility as a citizen/human being.

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  • edited September 2008
    Organichu wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »

    So, as a Philadelphian this is pretty scary stuff.


    This is such a ridiculously random incident it doesnt matter where you live. Its like getting struck by lightning.

    I meant the reaction of the passengers, many of whom ride daily. I recognize one of the guys in this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p4np9zJNtQ

    Same thing happened in New York, famous case. People are douschbags, its not a geographical issue.

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