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This is the most logical thing anyone has said so far in this thread.
Lets say its his kid. Lets say its gang related.
Was the babysitter busy? Or did you feel you could just get that random beating out of the way from picking up little Timmy from daycare?
Now lets say its not his kid. That its not gang related.
Excuse me son, go sit over here why I manically beat this man senseless.
Any combination of possibilities spells 'freaky as shit'. Im not going to comment on anything else as it seems pretty well covered.
he thinks he's thor
We now hear that they arrested the attacker - the boy shown in the video is the attacker's son. The attackers mother has tried to get him help but he keeps leaving the psyche ward because of certain laws.
What i don't get is - since the attacker had a history of mental issues, why didn't Children's Protective Services take the kid away from him. Second is that what kind of woman would even go out with a person and have a kid from such a man - and why didn't she use her rights to get custody of the child?
The main focus has to be the actual attack. I don't understand how there's 16 people half of them men and they did nothing! They should have choked him out at least. And he has a rap sheet that is very long but he keeps getting out of the fucking psyche ward. All the attacker took from the victim was a cell phone that he sold for $150. Nearly killed a man for $150?
Look, i'm not the toughest guy here - this isn't GTA or what not - but somebody has to do something when a kid is trying to survive in a city that will not let him by going to get a honest days pay - and he had to be beaten up by someone who is already considered invalid. You do need protection but the cities government is very stupid in how to go about it. Even if they didn't have guns, there were 16 people - they could have asked the conductor to stop the train, call the Transit Police (they carry firearms) and they would have ended the attackers miserable life. And if the community starts shouting - let them. You cannot continue to protect those who should not be protected. The attacker should have been given two pills after the RAPE he committed years ago and called it a life.
God, I'm not falling asleep in public ever.
Way to go, reinforce your own fucking stereotype, you idiots.
That said, all I can think about after reading this is Oldboy. Dude takes down like 50 guys with a claw hammer.
All it takes is one rabbit punch (to the back of the head) and the guy goes down, or at least is stunned. Please, for the love of god, public, take some self defense classes.
This, imo, is why compulsory service can be a good thing; everyone knows how to use a firearm, everyone knows *basic* defense and you can more readily screen for things like mental disorder or disease.
From the video I saw he pulled the guy he was clobbering off the train and continued to beat him on the platform. I didn't see anyone chasing the guy off the train.
I think it's much more damaging that the attacker was Black and chanting in Arabic and saying Allah while bludgeoning the guy than him just being plain ol' Black. There have been a number of crimes committed in Philadelphia and with how they report it in the news it's mostly Black Muslims to which there is an ABUNDANCE over here. A lot of them use the religion as a scape goat because "You arrested me because I'm Black!" just isn't cutting it for them anymore.
Depending on what car they were in depends how fast they could have gotten to the conductor, but from my experience there are several levers someone could have pushed in the train. Someone who else who rides the Orange Line help me out, there about two to every car, right?
And the community does shout a lot. They want the violence to end but as soon as they see that the violence initiator has the same face as them, it's more "protect our own" than "stop the violence". I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of racism going through police departments and justice systems, there are and as a person who is part Black I recognize this, but I'm not so slow as to realize that my fellow Black people just do some fucked up shit for no other reason than to get ahead in life the fast way. And it's starting to spread, that sort of mentality. My Puerto Rican cousins also think this way after spending time with their Black friends and think they only way they can get rich is if they do it fast and messily than the straight an' arrow way. One of them only thinks the way he can get out of the ghetto is by being a rapper. I shake my head sometimes as to why it is this way. I also wonder why they think that as a Black/Puerto Rican/Native American GIRL who is in college that they think I'm the loser.
Sorry I'm ranting but just, I wish I could grab all the Black (or even, all the minorities) people who further drag our names in the dirt and shake them and say "WAKE THE FUCK UP, YOU'RE RUINING US!"
He wasn't chased, he dragged the victim out there. There's a video and everything, right here in this thread.
Anyway, I've never been mugged, but I wonder what the laws say about carrying non-lethal defense weapons like pepper spray or a stun gun or a flash grenade.
I'm not sure about Philadelphia, but I know in New York state you can't even have those, because it's illegal (or you have to get a permit to carry them).
If this was my native UK I would totally do something to help the victim. I'm biggish and anyway I'm sure I would be able to get some other people to pitch in. I've helped people out in similar situations, though not as hairy as that one.
In the USA no fucking way. Anyone can just have a gun there.
There was a case like the greyhound one in the UK except for the decapitating.
I forget the details, but it was on a bus or trolley.
or a sword, or both
I can't remember
Well, if you see a guy getting beaten with a hammer, you could go about your normal day and ignore it, or you could step out of the train and see if he's okay, or at least call 911.
Welcome to Killadelphia, where on 11th street you can pick up tranny hookers.
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You know, I've been debating between moving to either Seattle or Colorado springs, and you're not helping damnit >.<
That'll happen for a while. I have a Srilankan colleague who rides the tube in London. For a Year after the Bombings, he would never dress down for Dress down friday because it seemed to scare people. He's a dapper old fellow and always carries his newspaper in a satchel. One summers day he got up to open the window (leaving his satchel on the seat for a second) he turned around, and everyon was like
Correct, and the former is what everyone on the train did Quid. They even let the little kid run off to be go be with his dad (who I assume also left Erie station after his victim did or before). But no one chased him off the train, but once they've moved six feet in the other direction they could have called the cops. As I've stated before I've seen tons of teenage girls make phone calls on their cells from the train station and it would be safe to assume SOMEONE had a cell phone on their persons at the time.
I'm a little confused about what kind of "subdue" plan we are talking about. I am an average built 6ft tall 20 something guy but I don't think I would try to tangle with this guy on my own, because crazy hammer wielding guys are crazy (and might have other weapons) and clearly strangers won't help. If I was in a fight or protecting someone, I would be merciless. But I don't have self defense training. I have no grappling skills and if someone had a gun and some pain tolerance my plan would be fucked. So to me, the chance of someone having a gun is relevant.
more people should be beaten with hammers
Can we start with you?
The only time something crazy happens on the MAX though, when somebody is attacked, it usually occurs with no one around. I'd like to think that we'd all stand up for our fellow man (or woman) if they are attacked.
Also I think that if the guy with the hammer had started beating the fuck out of a baby, or the kid that was beside him, interference would have been more likely.
I was thinking about transferring to Portland Uni. Is Portland safe out there? Just curious and not meant to derail the thread.
I'm not a big guy, but if I saw this happening here in California, I'd help the victim.
In the UK no fucking way. Anyone can just have a knife there. In fact, they probably do.
Edit: I would call 911 in the case of helping the adult.
exactly. totally irrational.
would you be more likely to spring to the aid of an adult male being punched in the face by an adult male, or a puppy dog being punched in the head by an adult male?
Dude, I have a two bedroom, two bath apartment for $950 in a suburb of Portland, OR. It is a fifteen minute drive to downtown, or a forty-minute ride on the train that takes ten minutes to walk to. In some of the nicest areas of the city I have found reasonable one-bedroom apartments for $700.
Oh, and don't listen to Thanatos about Portland :P
I was thinking in the context of how a woman should yell "fire" instead of "rape" because people are more likely to respond to a call for help for a fire than one for rape. I guess the worry is primarily that people around you should do something to help their fellow man when attacked but the conventional wisdom is that we no longer do that, while the baby kidnap incident illustrates that we sometimes do.
And don't underestimate the intimidating effect of a baby-flail.
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