That made me laugh so hard, Peregrine. Just the way you replaced his post with "hurf durf" and the Mojave reference.
By the way, someone asked about running Vista 64 on 2gbs of RAM. I did this for a little while, it runs smoothly but I did have issues with gaming under performing a little. Once I added the other 2gb (was waiting for a sale), everything was all gravy.
It amazes me that despite all the benchmarking, the optimization, the general knowledge backed up by research, there will always, always, when someone asks about switching to vista, be someone who comes in with anecdotal evidence they use to talk about how Vista killed their dog.
Most people don't know about the benchmarking, optimisation, and research. What they know is word of mouth, and when it's backed up by official sounding stuff like "Hello I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC", it's not hard to see why they'd think Vista was so crap.
I recently switched to Vista, and I can safely say, I will never ever go back to XP. If you have a good enough PC, there's no reason not to go to Vista.
Just make sure you get Service Pack 1.
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It amazes me that despite all the benchmarking, the optimization, the general knowledge backed up by research, there will always, always, when someone asks about switching to vista, be someone who comes in with anecdotal evidence they use to talk about how Vista killed their dog.
Most people don't know about the benchmarking, optimisation, and research. What they know is word of mouth, and when it's backed up by official sounding stuff like "Hello I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC", it's not hard to see why they'd think Vista was so crap.
I've had this kind of argument over the phone with someone who was complaining about Vista. I was sitting at my Vista machine and systematically tested their claims, proving each one of them wrong. They then proceeded to freak out because, and I quote, "I know what I'm talking about, stop arguing with me!"
Uh huh. Okay.
I've had Vista 64 since before SP1, I'm a developer who does development on his home machine and I used to work tech support for a municipal government. I know my way around computers and Vista has always been superior to XP as far as I'm concerned (I didn't actually get it until about 6 months after it was released, so I missed the early adopter bugs).
It amazes me that despite all the benchmarking, the optimization, the general knowledge backed up by research, there will always, always, when someone asks about switching to vista, be someone who comes in with anecdotal evidence they use to talk about how Vista killed their dog.
Most people don't know about the benchmarking, optimisation, and research. What they know is word of mouth, and when it's backed up by official sounding stuff like "Hello I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC", it's not hard to see why they'd think Vista was so crap.
I've had this kind of argument over the phone with someone who was complaining about Vista. I was sitting at my Vista machine and systematically tested their claims, proving each one of them wrong. They then proceeded to freak out because, and I quote, "I know what I'm talking about, stop arguing with me!"
Uh huh. Okay.
I've had Mac users proselytising me about the joy of iMacs for a while now. It seems so alien to them that, yes, I've tried using Macs, yes I still prefer my PC. No. No really. No those problems don't exist. No stop I'm serious. No I...
*sigh*
Yes I'll give your Mac another go...
Alright it's not admittedly that bad now, but there's often this constant undercurrent of "you're missing out" .
It amazes me that despite all the benchmarking, the optimization, the general knowledge backed up by research, there will always, always, when someone asks about switching to vista, be someone who comes in with anecdotal evidence they use to talk about how Vista killed their dog.
Most people don't know about the benchmarking, optimisation, and research. What they know is word of mouth, and when it's backed up by official sounding stuff like "Hello I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC", it's not hard to see why they'd think Vista was so crap.
I've had this kind of argument over the phone with someone who was complaining about Vista. I was sitting at my Vista machine and systematically tested their claims, proving each one of them wrong. They then proceeded to freak out because, and I quote, "I know what I'm talking about, stop arguing with me!"
Uh huh. Okay.
I've had Mac users proselytising me about the joy of iMacs for a while now. It seems so alien to them that, yes, I've tried using Macs, yes I still prefer my PC. No. No really. No those problems don't exist. No stop I'm serious. No I...
There'a a parody of the PC vs. Mac ads on YouTube where the guy playing the PC is like "I'm gonna go do some work now and make some money, you have fun with your hoody and photos."
I wish I could get on the YT at work, but nooo, shit's blocked.
There'a a parody of the PC vs. Mac ads on YouTube where the guy playing the PC is like "I'm gonna go do some work now and make some money, you have fun with your hoody and photos."
I wish I could get on the YT at work, but nooo, shit's blocked.
I haven't seen that one, but I thought this one was funny:
The only thing that kept me from putting Vista 64 on my dad's new build was the fact that his $800 sony Video camera has no vista 64 support(apparently no sony consumer product has 64 bit support). So yes, driver issues still do exist, they are just a lot less common than they were when vista first came out.
Really, there is no reason to stick with XP on a new build, you just have to research on 32 vs. 64 bit.
How does the Ultimate edition stack up to XP Pro? That's all my university has and I'd like to take advantage of it before I graduate.
Also, is 2 gigs too little for Vista? I've heard it's quite a memory hog.
I burn up 868-950mb of ram idle with no Virus scan installed.
As someone who is using only 2GB of RAM with Vista, I can say it's perfectly fine. WoW burns up over a gig, so swapping out of the window has a bit of a hiccup, but it's faster than it was with XP. Everything else is silky smooth.
Not sure if this is possible for you or not considering the price but if you can get your hands on a copy of windows server 2008, you'll be completely set... I was able to get one through a MS event in Charlotte, NC in May for free and I prefer this over XP on my Sony Vaio P4 2.4 ghz 1 gig ram laptop... the laptop doesn't overheat anymore and I can actually watch flash videos without the laptop freezing up... anothing thing to note is that WS 2008 is basically Vista Ultimate with the option to turn off basically everything except for what you need... the only services I turned on were the wifi service and superfetch... I was amazed.
I've recently purchased a laptop, as I'm now working a job that sees me away from home for months at a time. It's running Vista (Home Premium with Service Pack 1) and a couple of issues have cropped up;
1) Windows Media Player can no longer autoplay DVDs (I get an error stating I may not have the proper permissions to run the DVD), nor can I right-click->play from Explorer (same error). I can open Media Player and run the same DVD though. Started after Windows Media player crashed trying to switch language tracks from the context menu (not the DVD's setup menu). I was getting an error about not having a decoder (which I should have through Home Premium) until I switched to VLC. I perfer Media Player, though.
2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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Other than those issues, I've found Vista to be what I want or need out of an OS, and would recommend it to others.
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I've recently purchased a laptop, as I'm now working a job that sees me away from home for months at a time. It's running Vista (Home Premium with Service Pack 1) and a couple of issues have cropped up;
1) Windows Media Player can no longer autoplay DVDs (I get an error stating I may not have the proper permissions to run the DVD), nor can I right-click->play from Explorer (same error). I can open Media Player and run the same DVD though. Started after Windows Media player crashed trying to switch language tracks from the context menu (not the DVD's setup menu). I was getting an error about not having a decoder (which I should have through Home Premium) until I switched to VLC. I perfer Media Player, though.
2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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Other than those issues, I've found Vista to be what I want or need out of an OS, and would recommend it to others.
Of course I can't guarantee this but it sounds like a problem with your sound drivers. I had similar problems when I tried to switch to Vista (crashing, freezing, constant popping and stuttering sound) also running a Realtek chip. From what I understand its because they removed the HAL in Vista and that changes the way programs interact with your hardware or something blah blah blah.
I would just check to see if there are any new drivers out there and try those. If not, switch back to XP if its an option if it's not make your own sound effects.
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I've recently purchased a laptop, as I'm now working a job that sees me away from home for months at a time. It's running Vista (Home Premium with Service Pack 1) and a couple of issues have cropped up;
1) Windows Media Player can no longer autoplay DVDs (I get an error stating I may not have the proper permissions to run the DVD), nor can I right-click->play from Explorer (same error). I can open Media Player and run the same DVD though. Started after Windows Media player crashed trying to switch language tracks from the context menu (not the DVD's setup menu). I was getting an error about not having a decoder (which I should have through Home Premium) until I switched to VLC. I perfer Media Player, though.
2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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Other than those issues, I've found Vista to be what I want or need out of an OS, and would recommend it to others.
I've recently purchased a laptop, as I'm now working a job that sees me away from home for months at a time. It's running Vista (Home Premium with Service Pack 1) and a couple of issues have cropped up;
1) Windows Media Player can no longer autoplay DVDs (I get an error stating I may not have the proper permissions to run the DVD), nor can I right-click->play from Explorer (same error). I can open Media Player and run the same DVD though. Started after Windows Media player crashed trying to switch language tracks from the context menu (not the DVD's setup menu). I was getting an error about not having a decoder (which I should have through Home Premium) until I switched to VLC. I perfer Media Player, though.
2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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Other than those issues, I've found Vista to be what I want or need out of an OS, and would recommend it to others.
Of course I can't guarantee this but it sounds like a problem with your sound drivers. I had similar problems when I tried to switch to Vista (crashing, freezing, constant popping and stuttering sound) also running a Realtek chip. From what I understand its because they removed the HAL in Vista and that changes the way programs interact with your hardware or something blah blah blah.
I would just check to see if there are any new drivers out there and try those. If not, switch back to XP if its an option if it's not make your own sound effects.
That's what I've gathered, too. Spore, Devil May Cry 4 PC and even Source stuff like Counterstrike and Team Fortress 2 run flawlessly, but Half-Life 2 and it's episodes all lock up during the bigger set pieces. Ironically enough, always after a object crashes in game. :P I can't test Torment, due to patching the two disc version, which is pre-patched and now needs a fresh install.
I've tried the two latest drivers and the set pre-installed on the machine. All three of them crash during the same sequences.
@ Desert_Eagle25
I'll give that codec set a go, thanks for the heads up.
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2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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That made me laugh so hard, Peregrine. Just the way you replaced his post with "hurf durf" and the Mojave reference.
By the way, someone asked about running Vista 64 on 2gbs of RAM. I did this for a little while, it runs smoothly but I did have issues with gaming under performing a little. Once I added the other 2gb (was waiting for a sale), everything was all gravy.
For the record, I'm running Ultimate64.
Most people don't know about the benchmarking, optimisation, and research. What they know is word of mouth, and when it's backed up by official sounding stuff like "Hello I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC", it's not hard to see why they'd think Vista was so crap.
Just make sure you get Service Pack 1.
I've had this kind of argument over the phone with someone who was complaining about Vista. I was sitting at my Vista machine and systematically tested their claims, proving each one of them wrong. They then proceeded to freak out because, and I quote, "I know what I'm talking about, stop arguing with me!"
Uh huh. Okay.
I've had Vista 64 since before SP1, I'm a developer who does development on his home machine and I used to work tech support for a municipal government. I know my way around computers and Vista has always been superior to XP as far as I'm concerned (I didn't actually get it until about 6 months after it was released, so I missed the early adopter bugs).
I've had Mac users proselytising me about the joy of iMacs for a while now. It seems so alien to them that, yes, I've tried using Macs, yes I still prefer my PC. No. No really. No those problems don't exist. No stop I'm serious. No I...
*sigh*
Yes I'll give your Mac another go...
Alright it's not admittedly that bad now, but there's often this constant undercurrent of "you're missing out" .
Macs are hip and easy. PC tops are so blah! -_-
I wish I could get on the YT at work, but nooo, shit's blocked.
I haven't seen that one, but I thought this one was funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik
Really, there is no reason to stick with XP on a new build, you just have to research on 32 vs. 64 bit.
I burn up 868-950mb of ram idle with no Virus scan installed.
As someone who is using only 2GB of RAM with Vista, I can say it's perfectly fine. WoW burns up over a gig, so swapping out of the window has a bit of a hiccup, but it's faster than it was with XP. Everything else is silky smooth.
As has been mentioned, unless you turned off precaching, Vista is not actually idling there.
I've recently purchased a laptop, as I'm now working a job that sees me away from home for months at a time. It's running Vista (Home Premium with Service Pack 1) and a couple of issues have cropped up;
1) Windows Media Player can no longer autoplay DVDs (I get an error stating I may not have the proper permissions to run the DVD), nor can I right-click->play from Explorer (same error). I can open Media Player and run the same DVD though. Started after Windows Media player crashed trying to switch language tracks from the context menu (not the DVD's setup menu). I was getting an error about not having a decoder (which I should have through Home Premium) until I switched to VLC. I perfer Media Player, though.
2) Games (such as Half-Life 2: Episode 2, and Planescape: Torment) crash with looping sound, generally during bigger set pieces (The train at the start of Ep 2, for instance). I can add -nosound in Half-Life to bypass these areas, but it's a constant problem throughout the game. Vista doesn't have a way to disable Hardware Sound Acceleration, so I haven't found a way to troubleshoot. I'm running a Realtek ALC888 chipset. Would switching to XP be more stable?
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Other than those issues, I've found Vista to be what I want or need out of an OS, and would recommend it to others.
Of course I can't guarantee this but it sounds like a problem with your sound drivers. I had similar problems when I tried to switch to Vista (crashing, freezing, constant popping and stuttering sound) also running a Realtek chip. From what I understand its because they removed the HAL in Vista and that changes the way programs interact with your hardware or something blah blah blah.
I would just check to see if there are any new drivers out there and try those. If not, switch back to XP if its an option if it's not make your own sound effects.
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1.) Download The Combined Community Codec Pack and see if WMP still has problems running DVDs.
2.) Check Realtek's website for drivers.
That's what I've gathered, too. Spore, Devil May Cry 4 PC and even Source stuff like Counterstrike and Team Fortress 2 run flawlessly, but Half-Life 2 and it's episodes all lock up during the bigger set pieces. Ironically enough, always after a object crashes in game. :P I can't test Torment, due to patching the two disc version, which is pre-patched and now needs a fresh install.
I've tried the two latest drivers and the set pre-installed on the machine. All three of them crash during the same sequences.
@ Desert_Eagle25
I'll give that codec set a go, thanks for the heads up.
Dont' bother with ultimate unless you need to connect to that PC with remote desktop(you can still remote into other machines) or join a domain.
Are you using AVG for an anti-virus program?
Seconded. Ultimate isn't worth the price bump for the additional functionality, which is quite minimal.