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Can you run a 5k/10k/marathon?

JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
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So you want to start running?

Everyone knows the benefits of running - burning calories, increasing endurance, toning muscle, and just the general health factor. But it's often difficult to get started, or to keep at it. In order to maintain a regular running schedule, it's often worthwhile to have a planned out training program - it doesn't require you to have to decide what you're going to do each day, and eventually it becomes easier to keep the routine than it does to break out of it.

That's why there's this lovely little program called Couch to 5K. It's a 9 week training program designed to take people who currently have no running history whatsoever, and get them into the shape where they can run 3.1 miles. And all it requires is 30 minutes a day, 3 days a week.

Each session should take about 20 or 30 minutes, three times a week. That just happens to be the same amount of moderate exercise recommended by numerous studies for optimum fitness. This program will get you fit. (Runners who do more than this amount are doing it for more than fitness, and before long you might find yourself doing the same as well).

Be sure to space out these three days throughout the week to give yourself a chance to rest and recover between efforts. And don't worry about how fast you're going. Running faster can wait until your bones are stronger and your body is fitter. For now focus on gradually increasing the time or distance you run.

Run for time, or run for distance

There are two ways to follow this program, to measure your runs by time or by distance. Either one works just as well, choose the option that seems easiest for you to keep track of. If you go with the distance option, and you are not using a track to measure the distances, just estimate. It's not important to have the distances absolutely exact.

Before setting out, make sure to precede each session with a five-minute warmup walk or jog. Be sure to stretch both before and after. Read "Stay Loose" for some suggestions. Additionally, make sure to keep yourself hydrated

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Anything else that I can use?

The Couch to 5K program is rather well-known, and a number of tools are available to help you out. These vary from a Google Maps Pedometer to tools which can help you determine your optimal pace, to podcasts explicitly designed for the time periods which are used in the program. These, and more links, are all available at http://c25k.com/.

I can already run a 5k. What's this about 10ks and marathons?

Just like it helps to have a plan to start out, it's useful to have training plans for higher distances, too. Now, these will obviously involve larger time commitments, but the benefits and sense of accomplishment only increase with distance. Hal Higdon - the longest contributor to Runner's World, four-time winner of the world masters championship, and founder of the Road Runner's Club of America - has been kind enough to provide training programs for both 10k runners and marathon runners designed for novices - if it's not your first time doing either of those, you might want to bump to Intermediate or Advanced. And for people who want to do more than a 10k without making the jump to marathon, he even provides a training program for half marathons. So feel free to pick a distance which meets your skill level, and plug away at reaching it.



Since this one has more rigid set goals than the pushups one, where there's variation according to capability and where the last set is open-ended, I don't know if there's as much value to using the spreadsheet - if people would like me to add one so they can track their own progress, I'll do so. For those curious, I'm a lapsed runner - I used to do Cross Country, and have done a half marathon before, but that was almost a decade ago now, and I'm actually in the "can't do a 5k" crowd now. I've been meaning to get myself running again, and I figure that if I was going to follow the program, some of you might be interested too, and might find some extra motivation to stick with it if participating in a group. I'll be starting tomorrow morning, but anyone can jump in whenever they like :)

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  • KungFuKungFu Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Joe Biden can.


    But seriously, that Couch to 5k thing sounds awesome and I really need to do it. I have been noticing my increasingly unhealthy habits lately. And by "lately" I mean forever.

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  • duallainduallain Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    My only concern is that running is pretty tough on one's knees. That being said, cardo is awesome.

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  • emericanaemericana Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm very much in. I've been sort of getting into running, but I haven't really committed. This will help accountability.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm gonna go for the 10k. There's one coming up in October I can shoot for. I haven't run very much the past month but I'm fairly certain I can get it back in time for this race.

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  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm about to start week three of the couch to 5k plan. I'm loving it.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    duallain wrote: »
    My only concern is that running is pretty tough on one's knees. That being said, cardo is awesome.

    If you're concerned about your knees, or happen to have one locally, it's a good idea to run on a track made of shredded rubber - it'll let you mark distance easily, and it's easier on your joints. Alternatively, going cross country on grass or other softer surfaces is preferable to going on concrete/asphalt. If you're going to be running on roads or sidewalks and plan on sticking with it, it might be worthwhile to look into some good running shoes to help cushion them. That being said, there's a degree of confusion about the issue. Biased source (running magazine), but this article might make you feel a bit better.
    So, can running hasten the onset of arthritis? Certainly, in particular circumstances. Abnormal joint stress increases the risk of arthritis and can be caused by running on an injured joint, poor biomechanics, or muscle weakness due to inadequate cross-training.

    Does running, however, inevitably cause arthritis? No. Many people run and compete for an entire lifetime without being hindered by arthritis. Aging by itself causes gradual deterioration of articular cartilage, either due to decades of use or because of changes in the cartilage matrix. By the age of 65, over 75% of people show at least minor evidence of osteoarthritis.

    Can running help prevent or treat arthritis? Yes, the adaptations of joints to running can help prevent or treat the degeneration associated with inactivity.

    The salubrious benefits of exercise are major incentives for many runners, so the thought of incurring permanent damage to a joint is particularly demoralizing. Running is a high impact activity that strains joints to the very limit of their resilience and capabilities. But joints have a wonderfully sophisticated structure that resists damage and adapts to stress. Potential injuries abound, and osteoarthritis is extremely prevalent in both athletes and non-athletes, but permanent joint damage is not an inevitable consequence of running.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I tried something similar to this that was geared to 6 weeks and got pretty thoroughly crushed. The early stuff was good, and I was fine with repeating a week if I was having trouble moving to the next one, but the system I was on just had a crazy ramp up in the middle I couldn't keep up with.

    I'll definitely give this a try, both because a longer program should have a smoother ramp up and because this kind of thing is easier with other people doing it too.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    werehippy wrote: »
    I tried something similar to this that was geared to 6 weeks and got pretty thoroughly crushed. The early stuff was good, and I was fine with repeating a week if I was having trouble moving to the next one, but the system I was on just had a crazy ramp up in the middle I couldn't keep up with.

    I'll definitely give this a try, both because a longer program should have a smoother ramp up and because this kind of thing is easier with other people doing it too.

    I've tried pushing myself back into gear a couple times before, and failed - both because I wasn't able to keep with it (got sick, weather turned and I didn't bother going to a gym with a treadmill, just neglected it, whatever), and I consistently found two patterns emerged - I wasn't running long enough with what I could do (mile and a half or so) to actually get me moving aerobically long enough to improve my cardiovascular fitness - so whenever I ran, it was the same distance and I didn't feel any better afterward, and whenever I tried to up my distance, it kicked my butt.

    I know a couple people who have successfully used c25k, which makes me more optimistic, and the fact that it seems to be designed to make sure that you're exercising for a specific amount of time for the early ones makes me think it's more likely that I'll actually improve under it. :)

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The one good thing I got out of my last attempt is it's well worth bringing along an MP3 player (I got a little one through secret santa here last christmas). Just focusing on your breathing helps, but especially if I was struggling it made the run seem interminable.

    Though maybe that's just me.

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  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    My iPod shuffle has really helped me. Lil Jon is surprisingly motivating.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Hey, I'll have to give this a shot.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I might need to change mine up, but I'm not embarrassed to admit running to the original Halo soundtrack made me feel like a badass :)

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I can and have run a 5k. Miserable the entire way.

    Good luck people different than I.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Hm, I'll do the 10k run, since I've already done 5k.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    This was working for me last year, until I got sick and suddenly couldn't breathe when exerting myself. That lasted long enough that I gave up on the program, but I'm a lot fitter now. Once I shake my current head cold, I may resume it.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I can't even get through the Bungee game "Marathon".

    Seriously, I get tired after like 3 levels.

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I ran a 5K last year. Today I couldn't run around the block. One thing I can say about running though. It's a great way to lose weight.

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  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Man, back in high school I was on the cross country team and I could run 10 miles no problem.

    The farthest I've run since then is like 10 feet. I really need to get back into shape.

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  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I've been doing the hundred pushup plan, and some yoga, but I've been shirking cardio. So I'll start doing some running. Count me in!

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Observations from W1/D1 - running with the podcast was really useful for timing it, but I'd probably need to get better headphones if I want to keep using them. I went further than I expected, pretty much covering 3 miles in the 30 minutes, despite the fact that I only ran for 8 minutes of it. I need to stretch my calves more before I go next time. I may be running too close to 'sprint' in the run section - I passed some bikers during one of the run minutes.

    But overall, I got a workout. Felt my heart going the entire time, which is what I wanted, did get out of breath, and feel pretty good in the aftermath.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    I'd rather ride my bike 20 miles than run one. That is how much I hate it.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm actually working to get myself back into shape as well. I'd give this a try if I didnt' hate running so much =/

    my current plan for loosing weight is 2 hours on exercise bikes, 3 times a week. One day I do a hilly workout, one day I do a straight fatburn, and on the third day I just do a simple one where the resistance gradually increased until the peak about 75% into the ride, then goes down for a cool down.

    I had to skip the gym all of last week because I was too busy for it, and I can actually feel it. Need to get back at it this week.

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  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I ran the DC Marine Corps Marathon back in '06. Knees held up through training all the way to the 20-ish mile run - that longest one you do about 2 weeks before the marathon. Then they hurt. And then they started hurting in the marathon about 7 miles in. It was not a fun day. Sense of accomplishment, sure. But not fun.

    Took about a year off and then started up again, but with lower aims. Ran the Portland Bridge to Bridge and Brews 10K earlier this year and that was just about a perfect day. I want to run longer distances (they run a marathon over the bridge in my hometown) but I keep remembering what it was like for weeks after the MCM and, yeah, I like being able to handle stairs.

    Running is awesome. The entire "Body: No! Mind: YES. Body: . . . fine" part if it is good stuff.

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  • phasm42phasm42 Registered User new member
    edited September 2008
    Last year near the start of summer I decided I would try to take up running (I was almost 28 at the time). I sit in front of a computer all day, and I was really feeling the need to get in better shape. Especially since I have a son, I felt the need to improve so I'll be able to keep up with him as he grows up.

    I started by running laps behind a nearby group of businesses arranged in a strip. I would get winded very quickly, and couldn't run a mile in one go, so I started searching the web for clues. One of the sites I ran across was the Couch to 5K plan. Although I didn't actually follow it, what I did was similar. One important lesson there for beginners: START SLOW. When it comes to cardio, it seems the important thing is to keep your heart rate elevated (but not too high!) for an extended period of time. Your heartrate and how winded you feel correlate, so when you feel out of breath, you've probably had your heartrate too high for too long.

    When I first started out, I was running too fast, something like a 7 minute mile pace, and I couldn't keep that up for a mile. I wasn't making much progress. I eventually slowed down enough to lengthen how long I could run in one go, but it was tough going. Fortunately, an experienced runner offered to go on a run with me, and really got me to slow down. That day, I ran 3 miles without stopping for the first time. My mile pace at that time was somewhere around 9 minutes/mile; it felt really slow, but I NEEDED to go that slow. I bought a heart monitor and used it for a while to help me get a feel for how to pace myself. I don't use it any more, but it was very helpful as a learning aid.

    It's been over a year now, and I run 3 miles three times a week, and my mile average is coming down to nearly 7 minutes. This brings me to the other important thing: making it a habit. I don't run at home very often (maybe once a month), although when I do it's usually a longer run of at least 5 miles. Instead, I run during my lunch break. I go to the lot behind the buildings, change clothes, run, change back, and grab something to eat before heading back to work. Except for the winter, I try to get at least three runs in every week. I don't have particular days on which I run, so I don't feel that it constrains me. If someone wants to go out to lunch or I'm just not motivated, I'll run another day. Similarly, I've learned not to run if I'm sick or hurt (it just makes things worse).

    In summary, here are the things I found important:
    1. Start slow, focusing on running for a length of time, not a distance or speed.
    2. Make it a habit, but give yourself some leniency so it doesn't become a burden. If you can fit it into some normal downtime (e.g. lunchbreak), all the better.
    3. Read websites about running form; I don't feel like I can communicate this as clearly as other websites can, so I suggest you read them about things such as arm swing, heel strike, and even heartrate and breathing.

    Lastly, sometimes you just wanna run all out because it feels good. I don't know if it's good for 5K training, but it's good for the spirit!

    It's a great feeling when you realize how much better shape you're in, and an experience I hope others will share. If you're on the fence about this, I really hope you give it a shot.

    -Paul

    EDIT: One more thing; when I first started running, I hurt my knees and couldn't run (and had a hard time walking) for a couple weeks. I think this was because I was running to exhaustion, and instead of landing with a little spring in my step, I was plodding because I was tired, putting a lot of shock on my joints. If you find yourself plodding or landing hard, slow down or stop, because you'll probably hurt your knees. You should have enough energy for your muscles to act as shock absorbers. Shorter, quicker strides help with this and are more efficient than long leaping strides.

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  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I love running. My one piece of advice would be buy good running shoes. Every part of your body will be grateful + it will improve your speed.

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  • CycloneRangerCycloneRanger Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I run a little more than 5k every other day, and I'm chiefly concerned with increasing my speed. What is the best way to go about this? Should I run (greater distances) until I can't run any farther? I've run 2pi miles before, although it was difficult. Or should I push myself to just complete the normal distance in a shorter time, and trust repetition to bring it down over time?

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  • phasm42phasm42 Registered User new member
    edited September 2008
    I run a little more than 5k every other day, and I'm chiefly concerned with increasing my speed. What is the best way to go about this? Should I run (greater distances) until I can't run any farther? I've run 2pi miles before, although it was difficult. Or should I push myself to just complete the normal distance in a shorter time, and trust repetition to bring it down over time?

    I've heard a couple theories on this. Some people train using a mix of distance (to increase aerobic capacity) and bursts of speed (fartlek) to build up anaerobic ability.

    Others are more strongly focused on the aerobic aspect, and say that mixing anaerobic exercise in with it can mess up your training.

    Personally, I lean toward the former. I think you need both a solid aerobic base, and good anaerobic capacity for bursts. I've read that running for more than half an hour helps you with the aerobic base, and occasionally running fast or mixing in bursts of speed should help your anaerobic ability.

    I'd love to hear a more experienced voice on this though.

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  • MishraMishra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I ran my first Half Marathon Last year and this year I managed to shave 16 minutes off my time. I would recommend gettinga running buddy if you can. it keeps you motivated and helps prevent skipping out. I also had a lot of luck with a Heart rate monitor and podometer. I use a Suunto T3 it really helped me out. Increaseing speed is usually done by tempo runs and Fartlek's. A good training plan will incorporate this. Usually when training for my half marathon I'd do Wednesdays as tempo runs Saturdays as Fartlek's and Sundays as distance. Teusday and Thursday were usually just shorter easy runs.

    For those who are daring and in the southern California area there's the Volkslauf Marine Corp Mud Run on Columbus Day in Bakersfield. I did it last year and it's dones of fun. Just be ready to burn your shoes when you're done.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I love running. My one piece of advice would be buy good running shoes. Every part of your body will be grateful + it will improve your speed.

    I shall add on to that, get a decent pair of socks with a lining to prevent blisters.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Mishra wrote: »
    For those who are daring and in the southern California area there's the Volkslauf Marine Corp Mud Run on Columbus Day in Bakersfield. I did it last year and it's dones of fun. Just be ready to burn your shoes when you're done.

    If you want to talk about insane to do in southern california, why not go the whole nine yards and do Badwater? ;D
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    With its start line at Badwater, Death Valley, the course rises from the lowest elevation in North America at 282’ (85m) below sea level. After a grueling 135 miles of paved roads, the race finishes at Mt. Whitney Portal at 8360' (2533m). The Badwater course covers three mountain ranges for a total of 13,000’ (3962m) of cumulative vertical ascent and 4700’ (1433m) of cumulative descent. The Portal is the trailhead to the Mt. Whitney summit, the highest point in the contiguous United States

    That takes a special kind of crazy.

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  • stormwindstormwind Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm gonna add that music that you think is awesome is an amazing morale booster, especially for longer runs.

    Also, be sure to run in relatively new shoes, and use real running shoes. I've got a mean case of tendinitis that really messes me up when my shoes get too worn down.

    edit: I should probably read the posts above mine before I post redundant advice.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I doubt i'll ever run anything like the above. I'm pretty tall and frankly i've read up enough on what running does to people who are tall to know not to do it. Last thing I want is long term issues with my knees and back.

    I'm quite happy walking four miles everyday from work I think.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Rook wrote: »
    I love running. My one piece of advice would be buy good running shoes. Every part of your body will be grateful + it will improve your speed.

    I shall add on to that, get a decent pair of socks with a lining to prevent blisters.

    If you get the right kind of shoe with enough room, you don't need no special socks.

    But good running shoes does not necessarily mean expensive running shoes. go to a specialty running store and get fitted. Don't be all manly and say that a tight shoe fits fine. if it's snug...say so.

    EDIT: That is what's great about running IMO. you don't need a huge investment to get started. Hell, I didn't even buy actual running shoes until I got to a point where I could run 30 minutes without stopping. When I was taking a marathon training class last year, tons of people would ask our trainer about all these gidgets and gadgets and other toys. Sure special wicking fabrics for your clothes are great, and so are GPS-enabled training computers, but do you need them? fuck no. Just get some decent running shoes and MAYBE some running shorts if you plan on any sort of distance running..MAYBE get some glide stick for those of you with chaffing issues, and you're set. Screw the toys, just go out and run. Put the time in (don't have to be Speedy Gonzales) and you will be rewarded

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  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I got my shoes for $80 which is about half what my paranoid mind thought it would be.

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  • yourspaceholidayyourspaceholiday Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    VoodooV wrote: »
    MAYBE get some glide stick for those of you with chaffing issues, and you're set.

    Oh come on. You're not having fun until your nipples are bleeding

    Running buddies are great. I just moved to a new town, and it sucks to go out and do 8 miles. Back home, running 15 with my friend was the highlight of my day. Keeping a daily schedule helps, though not quite as much as that actual encouragement.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    VoodooV wrote: »
    MAYBE get some glide stick for those of you with chaffing issues, and you're set.

    Oh come on. You're not having fun until your nipples are bleeding

    Shhh! Don't scare the newbies away! ;)

    But yeah, running with someone is infinitely better than music. IMO anyway. I just never dug the music while running thing especially when I'm running outside because I want to be aware of what's going on around me, cars, bikers, other runners...etc

    Some of the races i've done will actually prohibit headphones/ipods etc for insurance reasons, but they don't go out of their way to enforce it either.

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  • MishraMishra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    I doubt i'll ever run anything like the above. I'm pretty tall and frankly i've read up enough on what running does to people who are tall to know not to do it. Last thing I want is long term issues with my knees and back.

    I'm quite happy walking four miles everyday from work I think.

    The Volkslauf isn't to bad, I think I hurt a heck of a lot more after my first half marathon. Twoards the end the obstacles get backed up so you get a bit of a rest. Honestly I highly recommend it.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    woohoo, starting this tomorrow. Picked up some podcast mixes to get me through week one, and I'm starting at 6AM.

    So I'll tell you all how pissed off and tired I am tomorrow at lunch.

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  • cyphrcyphr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Started this tonight. I've mentally committed myself to following through with the whole thing, as I've growing increasingly concerned with my lack of exercise and general unhealthiness. If it works it will very literally be a "couch to 5K" program, as the former is precisely the amount of exercise I had been doing. I'm also making a concerted effort to change my diet and get rid of unhealthy foods. It's a pretty big lifestyle change for me, and I'm happy to have my gf around to support me.

    Anywho, I listened to this podcast during my workout tonight, and it was great - I'll definitely be using it the whole way through. I loves me some techno.

    I was impressed with the timings - it kept me at an aerobic heartrate the whole time, and left me just enough time in between runs to gather enough energy for the next. Worn out by the end, and my legs are going to hate me tomorrow, but these are good things. :)

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    stormwind wrote: »
    I'm gonna add that music that you think is awesome is an amazing morale booster, especially for longer runs.

    Also, be sure to run in relatively new shoes, and use real running shoes. I've got a mean case of tendinitis that really messes me up when my shoes get too worn down.

    edit: I should probably read the posts above mine before I post redundant advice.

    I used to listen to podcasts when I ran. Especially "This American Life", which is a radio show with interesting short stories. I would get some engrossed in the story that I'd forget I was running.

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