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christianity has it's own history of study and interpretation too
sure it does
please remind the americans of this they seem to have largely forgotten it in favor of cults of personality and mystical revelation
man there was a time when monks were the really cool mathematicians and scientists and shit
bayes and occam and stuff
That happens in plenty of other religions. Dont be so reductionist.
All religions have their fair share of nutjobs. you could argue anyone who believes in a higher power is out of their mind but that is a whole other thing for a whole other day.
Everyone likes to think the other religion is the crazy one with the loons and the charlatans, I as an atheist see them all with equal contempt.
Edit: speaking about the extremists here, not every one in that faith. perhaps that wasnt clear.
ie there is nothing to separate islamic fundamentalists from christian ones. they are all equally hopeless.
So every individual Christian makes their own interpretation?
I know for a fact the catholic catechism has clauses where doing certain things is not considered a sin if you strongly believe the church is wrong on whatever the issue is and you are being true to your own conscience .
So you're a bigger dick than everybody else combined.
Nice going.
Not even.
The REAL difference in Judaism is that you don't need a Rabbi to agree with something for it to be "right".
Anyone can go and study and make their own interpretations.
plus you know
it's not like judaism is free from pop-religion
Read my edit. You were too quick to reply there, or perhaps I was wrong in clicking post before I had my thoughts full realized.
I don't think I got that clause in my catechism.
I wish there had been an "advanced" catechism class. I could have finished that nonsense in a month if they just gave me the material. I was the only one there trying to read the book, everybody else was too busy being a teenager.
I guess
Death to the infidel
So, you're exactly the same?
I mean, the belief that there is no God is still a leap of faith, just the same.
Not to mention that Judaism doesn't require a belief in God, and barely deals with an afterlife at all, meaning that you are judging things without even knowing what they are.
Probably that last one.
On account of you did the same thing to me with the spelling thing.
There is no heaven in Judaism.
edit: that is to say, the heaven in he Bible is essentially just God's office, not a place that people go when they die. That's a bunch of Christian meshuggas
i speak more in terms of signal to noise
all religions have their crazy nutjob sides. all. arguably, as you just said, they are all crazy nutjob sides from a certain perspective.
not all religions believe in a "higher power", but nonetheless your basic point is correct that everybody wants to say the others are more crazy than they are
but since they all have whacky beliefs lets talk more in terms of real actions and consequences
in those terms i find the crazy sides of say, christianity and islam far more threatening that the lunatic fringe of jainism or shinto
not only are those religions larger and more influential, their crazy people are also far more violent and dangerous.
Sup dogg
True. But I wasn't aggressive in my response, just making a joke. In fact, 'haha I quoted so you cant edit out your spelling mistake' is a common practice in all forums here.
See, it ain't just me seein' this shit.
Maybe you were trying to be funny and fell short, Scarab, I don't know.
You're the kind of aetheist that australian dude from page one took to task on his hilarious "religion is dumb" show.
Well the whole thing then, what happens on death
Well, I'm not smearing your good name and damning you to hell
but looking on a religion "with contempt" when you obviously don't know quite exactly what you're talking about sort of makes you a dick any way you slice it, man.
Ain't nobody likes a douchebag
when a leader does something someone doesn't like everyone whines and makes a splinter forum
Maybe you're a cool guy, I don't know.
There's an air of reincarnation to some of Jewish mysticism, but mostly, it is believed that some day the messiah will come and everyone who is worthy will be resurrected, and everyone will live in Israel.
Yeah, it's sill, and it is ALWAYS emphasized that this is NOT supposed t be a focal poin of your life. Life is for living.
Also, it is EASIER for a non-Jew to be deemed worthy than it is for a Jew. Jews must follow all 613 laws of the Torah. Non-Jews only have to follow the seven Noahide laws given to Noah after the flood.
Judaism doesn't view being Jewish as being "right", it is viewed as being a necessary burden, that some one has to continue to carry these teachings for future generations. When we say that we are the "chosen" people, THIS is what we are chosen for. A burden.
but i can't recall the last time a jainist blew himself up in the name of... well, they're universal pacifists so...
look, let's talk about hindus. shit-ton of them, right? horrible caste system that is (officially) part of the past, all kinds of fucked up rural psycho widow burning bullshit and stuff
in a lot of ways, similar to american christianity in that there's a whole ton of them, can't classify them all under one label other than the one they apply to themselves, and most of the ones you'd meet are reasonable chaps who aren't pricks
and that both feature this horrifically disturbing rural side that is completely retarded and insane and does stupid and violent things to people
so they're pretty alike
and yet, obviously i consider the loonie fringe of one to be more threatening than the other
maybe i'm wrong about that, but i don't think so
Can we please not be slicing dicks up in here
once was enough
yes that is why i said it because i am a bringer of truth
If I'm chosen I don't want it to be for a burden
I want my people to be chosen for free blowjobs
How the hell do I miss ONE law?
Was it the one about not erecting a column in a house of worship?
I'm pretty sure Pakistan will back up this part of your story.
Well, I don't know what they all are.
That was the chapter that made me decide I didn't really want to read the Bible cover to Cover.
It just strikes me as strange that I was one off.
I know what I am talking about completely. My problem was communicating my thoughts in a way which could not be misinterpreted.
Which I guess is incredibly ironic in a thread about religion.
I am an atheist, but not an active one. If you believe in God then I have no problems and will not ever consider talking you out of it. My point was that from a neutral standing I perceive all fundamentalists with equal contempt. Or to put it another way, while a Christian might perceive Islamic fundamentalists to be more crazy or more of a threat, I see them as an equal standing with the Christian fundamentalists.
In fact, fundamentalism is more of a problem than religion ever will be. And as I said, religion is just the medium these people operate in. I have no doubt there is overlap in many of these areas and I am being quite simplistic in this anyways, but the point stands. I have no problem with religion, but fundamentalism instead.
Sorry that I was quick to post and then be all dickery about it. Sometimes I want to just get the post out there to keep up with a fast moving conversation, and you were right to call me on it. I am from a religious family so I wouldn't ever be that kind of asshole atheist who hates all religious people. I have my beliefs, everyone else has theirs. Noone is right or wrong in that in my opinion.
Well, they get really awesome food and like the coolest language on the planet.
Trade offs.