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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Nuzak wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Atheism is as much a belief as an established religion in my opinion. It is a belief in no god, not a lack of belief in a god.

    I believe that there isnt a god and that science runs shit and stuff.

    But like a christian or a muslim, it is just a belief. and while I may like to think there is 'evidence' and 'logic' which supports my belief, that is true of just about every religion.

    one mans evolution is another mans turin shroud.

    of course, i believe one is more compelling than another and see the other as tenuous and perhaps even archaic, but as i said, it still remains a belief.


    too many atheists dont get this and think of what they believe as being fact. to me, that is more offensive and insular than half the religions out there. And you could argue forever that there are all sorts of reasons behind this and that atheism is right or whatever, but in the end who gives a shit.

    In my experience atheists seem as active in spreading the word and converting people as any religion.

    it is really fucked up how Darwin has almost become a kind of modern age deity for a huge number of people.

    what a messed up world.

    unfortunately there have been no atheist crusades

    give it time though, we'll get it done

    brotherhood of steel style

    uh

    soviet russia

    communist china

    well, those are the big ones

    the nazis weren't thrilled with organized religion were they

    Meissnerd on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Life is way too short for me to worry about shit
    So I may as well just kick back
    Put my feet up
    And enjoy the ride

    Me Too! on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Mysst wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    The only things I can really say that I have any "faith" in are, I guess entropy & chaos in that given how much it seems that universe tries to organize itself into particles & mollecules & planets, stars, galaxies, it's still all random and all you can do is use the one real tool that you have to make any sort of order in this all with that tool being the consciousness of man. Our willpower, self-awareness, ability to fight against our animal instinct and make willfull decisions about our actions.

    Am I making any sense?
    the beauty of human life, to me, is that it came from nothing and has no purpose. we are our own destiny.

    if you take a pure scientific view of life and existence, that all of life is a complex (and currently impossible to fully analyze) process of different chemicals, energies, etc. interacting on levels we cannot perceive but are capable of understanding are happening even if we can't observe them, an interesting thing happens.

    analyze it deep enough you can only inevitably come to the conclusion that our consciousness, sapience, all that, is illusionary. a construct of our cerebral processes just complex enough to understand what is happening, but not exactly how.

    the question is, of course, what then? if free will and sapience are purely biological byproducts without meaning or purpose or the ability to truly and cognitively choose their own outcomes independant of physical and biochemical reactions, then what do you do with your life and time? do you resign yourself to it, become nihilistic, and focus only on your minimal urges until you eventually die? do you become obsessed with unlocking the secrets of how it all works in hopes of eventually resolving the quandry?

    or do you simply choose not to care? do you arrive at the conclusion that you "know" your life is simply a sum of processes and products, and choose to move on with your day and enjoy life, unaffected by the cognitive dissonance of knowing that "choice" isn't a choice at all?

    Yeah that one
    works for me!

    i would say you are both men of faith, then.

    Pony on
  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Nuzak wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Atheism is as much a belief as an established religion in my opinion. It is a belief in no god, not a lack of belief in a god.

    I believe that there isnt a god and that science runs shit and stuff.

    But like a christian or a muslim, it is just a belief. and while I may like to think there is 'evidence' and 'logic' which supports my belief, that is true of just about every religion.

    one mans evolution is another mans turin shroud.

    of course, i believe one is more compelling than another and see the other as tenuous and perhaps even archaic, but as i said, it still remains a belief.


    too many atheists dont get this and think of what they believe as being fact. to me, that is more offensive and insular than half the religions out there. And you could argue forever that there are all sorts of reasons behind this and that atheism is right or whatever, but in the end who gives a shit.

    In my experience atheists seem as active in spreading the word and converting people as any religion.

    it is really fucked up how Darwin has almost become a kind of modern age deity for a huge number of people.

    what a messed up world.

    unfortunately there have been no atheist crusades

    give it time though, we'll get it done

    brotherhood of steel style

    uh

    soviet russia

    communist china

    well, those are the big ones

    that was a bit more political than religious

    Nuzak on
  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Mysst we should export this philosophy of "whatevs" to the middle-east

    Weaver on
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Evander wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    It's devoutly wished by me, at least. Like any religion fundies give the rest of us a bad rap.

    What do you mean?

    Is an individual Catholic, or Lutheran, or Mormon allowed to say that they interpret X as Y, even though their local congregation interprets X as Z, and that is considered to be totally okay?

    In catholicism a soul's conscience is God's method of communicating right and wrong. By that logic you cannot be living in sin if you are truly following your conscience because that is what God would want you to do.

    Butters on
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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh right on back to being Catholic then
    My conscience is like fuck yes kill that bitch
    Bitch been stealing my money

    Me Too! on
  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The Amazing Randy is evil.

    He looks like Santa Claus, and he uses that to seduce children and remove all of their love for Jesus and belief in magic.

    ChicoBlue on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Weaver wrote: »
    Mysst we should export this philosophy of "whatevs" to the middle-east

    We'll democracy the shit out of them!

    The_Scarab on
  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    It's devoutly wished by me, at least. Like any religion fundies give the rest of us a bad rap.

    What do you mean?

    Is an individual Catholic, or Lutheran, or Mormon allowed to say that they interpret X as Y, even though their local congregation interprets X as Z, and that is considered to be totally okay?

    In catholicism a soul's conscience is God's method of communicating right and wrong. By that logic you cannot be living in sin if you are truly following your conscience because that is what God would want you to do.

    I'm not talking about conscience. I'm talking about rational thought.

    As a Jew, I can open up the Torah, read it, and decide for myself what it means.

    Evander on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    The best use of a bible can be seen in Oz when it's used as a blunt instrument in an ass-kicking

    Me Too! on
  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    It's devoutly wished by me, at least. Like any religion fundies give the rest of us a bad rap.

    What do you mean?

    Is an individual Catholic, or Lutheran, or Mormon allowed to say that they interpret X as Y, even though their local congregation interprets X as Z, and that is considered to be totally okay?

    In catholicism a soul's conscience is God's method of communicating right and wrong. By that logic you cannot be living in sin if you are truly following your conscience because that is what God would want you to do.

    That can't be right. I'm no catholic, but one of the major points of Christianity in general is that humanity in general would rather do bad things when given the choice. The conscience is based on your own moral compass, but when that compass doesn't point due north it doesn't always do a lot of good.

    Centipede Damascus on
  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Weaver wrote: »
    Mysst we should export this philosophy of "whatevs" to the middle-east
    "guys, seriously, it is too damn hot our here for all this yelling.'

    Mysst on
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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    The best use of a bible can be seen in Oz when it's used as a blunt instrument in an ass-kicking

    sometimes, Wiggin

    sometimes you're just so retarded I don't even know what to do with you

    Centipede Damascus on
  • BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I believe in a greater plan and purpose
    Not just to individuals but as part of the Universe as a whole
    But as we are, as far as we know for now the only sentient beings that are a part of it
    We are the only ones who can make choices that are right or wrong
    Even though most of us understand a broad idea of how to tell between the two
    As the choices become more nuanced and complicated, they become harder to distinguish
    But that's just because we haven't progressed enough
    I believe, despite what terrible things are happening in the world humanity as a whole is better morally now than it has ever been, even though we have a long way to go
    If I could give an opinion of what we should be doing
    It's showing mercy and love toward each other, actively helping each other so that as whole we as humanity stay around long enough to find out what happens next

    These are my beliefs and this is what I get out of my study of science and religion

    BusterK on
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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    It's devoutly wished by me, at least. Like any religion fundies give the rest of us a bad rap.

    What do you mean?

    Is an individual Catholic, or Lutheran, or Mormon allowed to say that they interpret X as Y, even though their local congregation interprets X as Z, and that is considered to be totally okay?

    In catholicism a soul's conscience is God's method of communicating right and wrong. By that logic you cannot be living in sin if you are truly following your conscience because that is what God would want you to do.

    That can't be right. I'm no catholic, but one of the major points of Christianity in general is that humanity in general would rather do bad things when given the choice. The conscience is based on your own moral compass, but when that compass doesn't point due north it doesn't always do a lot of good.

    Butters is misusing "by that logic" to draw a conclusion that while logical, is not accurate.

    Can you prove someone is truly following their "conscience"? What do you define as your conscience? Your sense of empathy and kindness for your fellow man? How can you tell if someone is truly following that or not, or if they even have one?

    Neurological research has shown that empathetic reactions and feelings of compassion have clear neurological and biochemical reactions, and that in some folks these reactions are absent. If your conscience is your ability to empathize and be compassionate towards others, then some people are truly, biologically, without conscience.

    So it becomes a complex question of what your conscience is, and how you would prove someone even has one, and if so, if they are using it or listening to it properly. People are fully capable of overriding cognitive dissonance and behaving in a way they actively know is wrong and illogical and unacceptable and still feel good about it.

    So, it's a complicated question that you can't just say "by that logic!" to and jump to some wild conclusion.

    Pony on
  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    by that logic holy fuck I could use a nap

    Weaver on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    The best use of a bible can be seen in Oz when it's used as a blunt instrument in an ass-kicking

    sometimes, Wiggin

    sometimes you're just so retarded I don't even know what to do with you

    Do you think that was 100% serious
    Or do you think I just saw that scene and thought that the very religious man getting beaten with a Bible was amusing

    Me Too! on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    wiggin the problem is that historically you have such an illustrated tendency to say such fucking stupid things that when you say a silly, irreverant, or intentionally stupid thing people automatically assume you are being dead serious and mean 100% of what you say.

    it's not exactly the smartest decision on their part, but it's also an understandable reaction.

    Pony on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    I mean people say I have poor judgment
    Hint
    Nine out of ten dumb things I say is not meant to be taken seriously

    Me Too! on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I mean people say I have poor judgment
    Hint
    Nine out of ten dumb things I say is not meant to be taken seriously

    a more important question to ask is what is the ratio of dumb things you say to not dumb things

    because seriously

    signal to noise ratio here, donny

    Pony on
  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I mean people say I have poor judgment
    Hint
    Nine out of ten dumb things I say is not meant to be taken seriously

    nine out of ten that's your defense for saying something stupid

    and then you follow it up with a clusterbomb of fucks and shits and cunts

    Nuzak on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think Dawkins is an outspoken tool but he does have some very astute observations.

    Mainly that for all the fantastical stories in the Bible there are a thousand times as many incredible and awe inspiring things in science. Distant nebulae, stars planets, the forces that bind the universe, energy and all manner of science, from biology to physics.

    But that guy, oh man he is such an ass.

    I watched this brilliant BBC documentary last week called Horizon (a regular series) in which it was discussing what kind of crash course in science would the next PotUS need. Things like how easy it is to make a nuclear bomb, manufacture uranium cores etc, stem cell research. The science behind political issues. And Dawkins was on it and said 'that for someone in this day and age to believe in a god and be religions they are either ignorant or mentally deficient.'

    And I think, wow, how could you say such a hateful and hurtful thing. It becomes all to clear that he is crusading for atheism in a very real way. he isn't content with accepting other people's beliefs he actively wants to crush them and convert everyone to atheism. He has become the thing he claims to hate the most.

    Irony is sometimes a beautiful thing.

    The_Scarab on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    No that's just the ratio of dumb joking things to dumb serious things
    Dumb to not dumb is like
    I don't know something ridiculous

    Me Too! on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i can't take dawkins seriously as a scientist for two reasons

    one is his zealous anti-religious slant, which is not at all scientific

    two is memetics, which is psuedoscience and far closer to religion than the man himself might realize

    Pony on
  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    I think Dawkins is an outspoken tool but he does have some very astute observations.

    Mainly that for all the fantastical stories in the Bible there are a thousand times as many incredible and awe inspiring things in science. Distant nebulae, stars planets, the forces that bind the universe, energy and all manner of science, from biology to physics.

    But that guy, oh man he is such an ass.

    I watched this brilliant BBC documentary last week called Horizon (a regular series) in which it was discussing what kind of crash course in science would the next PotUS need. Things like how easy it is to make a nuclear bomb, manufacture uranium cores etc, stem cell research. The science behind political issues. And Dawkins was on it and said 'that for someone in this day and age to believe in a god and be religions they are either ignorant or mentally deficient.'

    And I think, wow, how could you say such a hateful and hurtful thing. It becomes all to clear that he is crusading for atheism in a very real way. he isn't content with accepting other people's beliefs he actively wants to crush them and convert everyone to atheism. He has become the thing he claims to hate the most.

    Irony is sometimes a beautiful thing.

    in that documentary the guy couldn't pronouce nuclear

    Nuzak on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Nuzak wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I mean people say I have poor judgment
    Hint
    Nine out of ten dumb things I say is not meant to be taken seriously

    nine out of ten that's your defense for saying something stupid

    and then you follow it up with a clusterbomb of fucks and shits and cunts

    Yeah well shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits fart turd and twat

    Me Too! on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Nuzak wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    I think Dawkins is an outspoken tool but he does have some very astute observations.

    Mainly that for all the fantastical stories in the Bible there are a thousand times as many incredible and awe inspiring things in science. Distant nebulae, stars planets, the forces that bind the universe, energy and all manner of science, from biology to physics.

    But that guy, oh man he is such an ass.

    I watched this brilliant BBC documentary last week called Horizon (a regular series) in which it was discussing what kind of crash course in science would the next PotUS need. Things like how easy it is to make a nuclear bomb, manufacture uranium cores etc, stem cell research. The science behind political issues. And Dawkins was on it and said 'that for someone in this day and age to believe in a god and be religions they are either ignorant or mentally deficient.'

    And I think, wow, how could you say such a hateful and hurtful thing. It becomes all to clear that he is crusading for atheism in a very real way. he isn't content with accepting other people's beliefs he actively wants to crush them and convert everyone to atheism. He has become the thing he claims to hate the most.

    Irony is sometimes a beautiful thing.

    in that documentary the guy couldn't pronouce nuclear

    neither could narrator lady.

    nucular. fucking hell.

    still, it was damn awesome. ive been watching horizon my entire life almost. one of the best things the BBC produces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_(BBC_TV_series)

    while criticism was laid at chimps are people too i think it was highly successful in presenting the issues. wallace was a great presenter.

    The_Scarab on
  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Nuzak wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    I think Dawkins is an outspoken tool but he does have some very astute observations.

    Mainly that for all the fantastical stories in the Bible there are a thousand times as many incredible and awe inspiring things in science. Distant nebulae, stars planets, the forces that bind the universe, energy and all manner of science, from biology to physics.

    But that guy, oh man he is such an ass.

    I watched this brilliant BBC documentary last week called Horizon (a regular series) in which it was discussing what kind of crash course in science would the next PotUS need. Things like how easy it is to make a nuclear bomb, manufacture uranium cores etc, stem cell research. The science behind political issues. And Dawkins was on it and said 'that for someone in this day and age to believe in a god and be religions they are either ignorant or mentally deficient.'

    And I think, wow, how could you say such a hateful and hurtful thing. It becomes all to clear that he is crusading for atheism in a very real way. he isn't content with accepting other people's beliefs he actively wants to crush them and convert everyone to atheism. He has become the thing he claims to hate the most.

    Irony is sometimes a beautiful thing.

    in that documentary the guy couldn't pronouce nuclear

    neither could narrator lady.

    nucular. fucking hell.

    still, it was damn awesome. ive been watching horizon my entire life almost. one of the best things the BBC produces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_(BBC_TV_series)

    while criticism was laid at chimps are people too i think it was highly successful in presenting the issues. wallace was a great presenter.

    it's gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down

    did you watch dawkin's darwin series

    Nuzak on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Horizon used to be essential viewing but now its very hit or miss. also, complaints of dumbing down are absolutely right.

    it used to be the most incredible science, tidal waves, volcanoes, killer asteroids and shit. and all in incredible depth with graphs, charts diagrams etc. now it is like talking heads and a lot of time lapse camera work.

    The_Scarab on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    The Church of Dave believes that the world will end when a giant space woman comes and sucks our planet for it is a testicle of another great giant space being
    Kinda like porn meets Galactus

    Me Too! on
  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    The best use of a bible can be seen in Oz when it's used as a blunt instrument in an ass-kicking

    sometimes, Wiggin

    sometimes you're just so retarded I don't even know what to do with you

    It's hit or miss


    sometimes I scream at him


    sometimes I ignore him


    depends on what you're in the mood for, really.

    sarukun on
  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    BusterK wrote: »
    I believe in a greater plan and purpose
    Not just to individuals but as part of the Universe as a whole
    But as we are, as far as we know for now the only sentient beings that are a part of it
    We are the only ones who can make choices that are right or wrong
    Even though most of us understand a broad idea of how to tell between the two
    As the choices become more nuanced and complicated, they become harder to distinguish
    But that's just because we haven't progressed enough
    I believe, despite what terrible things are happening in the world humanity as a whole is better morally now than it has ever been, even though we have a long way to go
    If I could give an opinion of what we should be doing
    It's showing mercy and love toward each other, actively helping each other so that as whole we as humanity stay around long enough to find out what happens next

    These are my beliefs and this is what I get out of my study of science and religion

    Not so.


    Several animals display the fundamentals of being able to distinguish these concepts.

    sarukun on
  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I mean people say I have poor judgment
    Hint
    Nine out of ten dumb things I say is not meant to be taken seriously

    Hint

    9 out of 10 times we know and are just moaning on account of no funny.

    sarukun on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    That's cool
    But that was not the impression I got from Cent
    I got the impression that he thought I was serious

    Me Too! on
  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    sarukun wrote: »
    BusterK wrote: »
    I believe in a greater plan and purpose
    Not just to individuals but as part of the Universe as a whole
    But as we are, as far as we know for now the only sentient beings that are a part of it
    We are the only ones who can make choices that are right or wrong
    Even though most of us understand a broad idea of how to tell between the two
    As the choices become more nuanced and complicated, they become harder to distinguish
    But that's just because we haven't progressed enough
    I believe, despite what terrible things are happening in the world humanity as a whole is better morally now than it has ever been, even though we have a long way to go
    If I could give an opinion of what we should be doing
    It's showing mercy and love toward each other, actively helping each other so that as whole we as humanity stay around long enough to find out what happens next

    These are my beliefs and this is what I get out of my study of science and religion

    Not so.


    Several animals display the fundamentals of being able to distinguish these concepts.

    My dog knows when he's done bad.

    Evander on
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