I have all kinds of stories about how bad I was. 1.3 hit like two weeks after I started playing. I was playing a Hunter (which I played all the way up until my account got hacked this summer). We were one of 3 guilds raiding MC. I was the guilds lead puller. I knew how to split that double pull after the giants at the beginning of MC. I was the tits at doing those kinds of things. What I couldn't do? DPS. I was Captain Auto Shot with no pet. The only use my pets ever got in a raid were pulling Geddon and that other boss down the long hallway. I didn't understand using Multi Shot and Aimed Shot mid rotation (remember, Steady Shot wasn't even thought of yet and Arcane Shot had not yet been buffed). It was brutal how bad I actually was at the game at the time, but everyone in my guild thought I was the best huntar evar.
My god. You're the huntard from which all other huntards descended.
It's nice of them to make things easier but with all the mobility we have was this really change really needed? I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain about the range on taunt.
So I'm level 42 now. I know I'm gonna get 3/3 Improved Disicpline at 43, but my question is should I get 3/3 Rend, 2/2 Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind for 44?
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So I'm level 42 now. I know I'm gonna get 3/3 Improved Disicpline at 43, but my question is should I get 3/3 Rend, 2/2 Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind for 44?
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What the hell else would I do with the two points after 3/3 HS?
So I'm better off with 2/2 Imp Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind?
Either
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So I'm level 42 now. I know I'm gonna get 3/3 Improved Disicpline at 43, but my question is should I get 3/3 Rend, 2/2 Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind for 44?
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I am facepalming so fast right now.
3/3 Rend. You have got to be shitting me.
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Oh my God your spec is embarrassing. Improved heroic strike and rend....I am shitting my pants and crying.
Look...I am guessing you're doing this for PvE, right? You're gonna want to step into the fury tree and grab cruelty for the crit, and probably just continue to climb that tree. If you want to do some PvP, the you're doing it wrong.
EDIT: GET DEFLECTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IMP HEROIC STRIKE AND REND SUCK MAJOR DONKEY NUTS
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edited October 2008
Jesus christ, the guy asked for advice, not to be ridiculed.
JustinSane, you'll definitely want 5/5 cruelty in the Fury tree as Munkus suggested. I'd also throw a point into Imp. Overpower to cap it, and Second Wind is pretty valuable if you're doing any PvP, as you'll often find yourself rooted/incapacitated, and that extra rage and HP regen always seemed to help me out in those situations.
Also, Imp. Rend is actually going to be downright useful when 3.0 hits because of Trauma (a talent that will be introduced in that patch) and Taste for Blood (just because you'll want to use Rend more at that point).
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edited October 2008
Last I checked, Rend was still going to be shitty in 3.0 and imp. rend will only affect Rend.
Bottom line is that imp. rend is extremely horrible and I really do throw up a little in my mouth when I see people spec'd to it.
EDIT: Ok, rend seems to be situational come patch due to the enrage shenanigans causing it to do quad damage, but that still doesn't mean you should spec imp. rend. Taste for Blood isn't going to be worth it in my mind unless they improve overpower so you can use it without going into battle-stance.
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edited October 2008
I haven't specced into it in the past honestly, so I don't know what it's like currently (I've just heard that it's terrible), but on the PTR the bleed damage between Deep Wounds and Rend with Trauma active was pretty significant on the level 70-71 ogres I was fighting. Might not be cutting edge DPS, but the mobs were bleeding out pretty fast, in some cases before I could get a second execute off (the first procced with Sudden Death).
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Rend right now isn't even worth having on your action bar, since it doesn't do any damage for the rage cost. You're almost always going to have better rage management by either saving your rage or using a different ability. The only time I have ever used Rend in a serious situation on Live was when my damaging attacks were Heroic Strike, Overpower, Thunderclap, and Rend.
It's not even worth using on rogues in PvP because deep wounds will solve that problem easy. From what I'm reading, it's going to be extremely situational at 3.0. You will only use it on mobs that are enraged and only when you won't lose rage switching to battle stance.
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Well, Rend is getting buffed with the patch to non-embarassing damage. With a good weapon you can get it to about 1k. I know, not great damage, but a hell of a lot better than 100. And it's going to be one of the new staples of the Arms tree, having it up so that Overpower will proc. So I would say that then would it be feasible to take the talent. Even then though, you would probably be better off not taking it, but still using Rend for Taste for Blood procs.
But right now, at this exact moment? Yeah, Rend is the butt monkey of the entire Warrior skill line. Man, I remember way back when you had to take Imp. Rend so you could get Impale and Deep Wounds. There was much rejoicing on the day that link was broken.
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Everything useful in PvP Prot can do in battle stance except switching to Defensive Stance for Intervene and Berserker for Intercept. Shield Slamming PW:S off Priests and Ice Barrier off Mages is the greatest thing ever.
So I'm level 42 now. I know I'm gonna get 3/3 Improved Disicpline at 43, but my question is should I get 3/3 Rend, 2/2 Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind for 44?
Click the Mortal Strike icon in my sig for my char.
I am facepalming so fast right now.
3/3 Rend. You have got to be shitting me.
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Oh my God your spec is embarrassing. Improved heroic strike and rend....I am shitting my pants and crying.
Look...I am guessing you're doing this for PvE, right? You're gonna want to step into the fury tree and grab cruelty for the crit, and probably just continue to climb that tree. If you want to do some PvP, the you're doing it wrong.
EDIT: GET DEFLECTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IMP HEROIC STRIKE AND REND SUCK MAJOR DONKEY NUTS
I know I need Cruelty, but I'm level 43. Unless you want to provide me with free talent points, it's going to be a little while before I can fucking have it.
As for Heroic Strike and Rend, think about it, I was using fucking Heroic Strike exclusively before 40 because I lacked a viable instant attack. Same goes for fucking Rend. They're useful as all fuck before MS.
And I'm not going Fury. I posted earlier in this very fucking thread that I have a 64 fury warrior on another server. I'm going Arms because it's something fucking different. I never once specced arms on my other warrior, so this one is different to me.
His argument against rend will become completely invalid when the expansion, possibly the 3.0 patch hits. They gave rend a natural 50% increase in damage, and with improved rend it ends up doing more damage than Deep Wounds. Although it is going to be rather useless if you don't take Taste for Blood, but from what I played of Arms in the beta, if you're going to be Arms there is -no- reason whatsoever to skip Taste for Blood, nor ever leave Battle Stance. This is however for leveling.
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So I'm level 42 now. I know I'm gonna get 3/3 Improved Disicpline at 43, but my question is should I get 3/3 Rend, 2/2 Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind for 44?
Click the Mortal Strike icon in my sig for my char.
I am facepalming so fast right now.
3/3 Rend. You have got to be shitting me.
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Oh my God your spec is embarrassing. Improved heroic strike and rend....I am shitting my pants and crying.
Look...I am guessing you're doing this for PvE, right? You're gonna want to step into the fury tree and grab cruelty for the crit, and probably just continue to climb that tree. If you want to do some PvP, the you're doing it wrong.
EDIT: GET DEFLECTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IMP HEROIC STRIKE AND REND SUCK MAJOR DONKEY NUTS
I know I need Cruelty, but I'm level 43. Unless you want to provide me with free talent points, it's going to be a little while before I can fucking have it.
As for Heroic Strike and Rend, think about it, I was using fucking Heroic Strike exclusively before 40 because I lacked a viable instant attack. Same goes for fucking Rend. They're useful as all fuck before MS.
And I'm not going Fury. I posted earlier in this very fucking thread that I have a 64 fury warrior on another server. I'm going Arms because it's something fucking different. I never once specced arms on my other warrior, so this one is different to me.
Jesus fucking christ. Lay the fuck off.
Look einstein, I said get cruelty. As in, the next points you spend should be in cruelty. You're at the point in arms where any more points spent primarily increase your PvP viability and do almost nothing for your PvE ability.
When you do something rather stupid (deflection is still better than imp heroic strike or rend for leveling even if you are using both in your rotation, which should never happen once you hit 30). You're usually better off tossing on a sunder or two than using rend, it's pretty horrible. And, for that matter, heroic strike.
You came in here looking for criticism. You got some. Imp. Rend is objectively embarrassing.
EDIT: Arthil, someone already said that the improvements only apply to post 70 rend skills. And deep wounds is worth it because it costs zero rage to do and basically gives you a nice passive increase in dps.
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I never tried to argue Improved Rend over Deep Wounds >.>, seems silly to not get Deep Wounds really, well... okay, since it's not connected to impale anymore you could skip it, but it's free damage. I just wish Taste for Blood also had a chance to proc from Deep Wounds, but maybe a lower proc than Rend, something like 15% instead of 30%.
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edited October 2008
They are desperately trying to make Rend viable. And while it may be worth it to slap on rend to proc overpower, this is the spec I would use if that were the case (and I didn't care about PvP at all)
EDIT: Arthil, someone already said that the improvements only apply to post 70 rend skills. And deep wounds is worth it because it costs zero rage to do and basically gives you a nice passive increase in dps.
A little off topic, but what other abilities are getting a new component to them post-70? I can think of Mage Armor and Inner Fire off the top of my head, but are there any others?
Look einstein, I said get cruelty. As in, the next points you spend should be in cruelty. You're at the point in arms where any more points spent primarily increase your PvP viability and do almost nothing for your PvE ability.
When you do something rather stupid (deflection is still better than imp heroic strike or rend for leveling even if you are using both in your rotation, which should never happen once you hit 30). You're usually better off tossing on a sunder or two than using rend, it's pretty horrible. And, for that matter, heroic strike.
You came in here looking for criticism. You got some. Imp. Rend is objectively embarrassing.
Saying "get cruelty" is not the same as "put your next 5 points into Cruelty." Because one makes sense, the other is more vague. See if you can guess which is which. Go ahead.
And what magical ability do you get at 30 that you should no longer need HS and Rend for damage? Are you gonna say Whirlwind? Cuz that's 36. Until that point, there are no instant attacks outside of Revenge. So I have no idea what you're talking about at 30.
Btw, does it make you angry that I open every fight with Charge -> Rend to keep Blood Frenzy up? Does that make you cry for all warriors everywhere? Sorry, I like using Rend. I think it has value.
I also didn't come here looking for criticism, I came asking a question and wanting an answer. I got my answer from other people.
I'm not gonna reply to anything you have to say after this because I don't want to derail the thread any further. I got Second Wind 1/2 and I'm gonna continue with Imp MS and into Endless Rage.
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Look einstein, I said get cruelty. As in, the next points you spend should be in cruelty. You're at the point in arms where any more points spent primarily increase your PvP viability and do almost nothing for your PvE ability.
When you do something rather stupid (deflection is still better than imp heroic strike or rend for leveling even if you are using both in your rotation, which should never happen once you hit 30). You're usually better off tossing on a sunder or two than using rend, it's pretty horrible. And, for that matter, heroic strike.
You came in here looking for criticism. You got some. Imp. Rend is objectively embarrassing.
Saying "get cruelty" is not the same as "put your next 5 points into Cruelty." Because one makes sense, the other is more vague. See if you can guess which is which. Go ahead.
And what magical ability do you get at 30 that you should no longer need HS and Rend for damage? Are you gonna say Whirlwind? Cuz that's 36. Until that point, there are no instant attacks outside of Revenge. So I have no idea what you're talking about at 30.
Btw, does it make you angry that I open every fight with Charge -> Rend to keep Blood Frenzy up? Does that make you cry for all warriors everywhere? Sorry, I like using Rend. I think it has value.
I also didn't come here looking for criticism, I came asking a question and wanting an answer. I got my answer from other people.
I'm not gonna reply to anything you have to say after this because I don't want to derail the thread any further. I got Second Wind 1/2 and I'm gonna continue with Imp MS and into Endless Rage.
Just because you think it has value doesn't mean that it does have value. Rend is widely regarded as the worst skill in the game. It does poor damage for the rage spent, that's the bottom line. When leveling my most recent warrior, I had issues with getting a single rend to tick through before killing the mob I was on. And when you hit 30, you should have execute (if memory serves correctly) which is where most of your unspent rage should be going toward.
Again, second wind is fairly useless if you have no interest in PvP, and Imp MS is fairly garbage for the points you have to sink in. Endless rage is a solid talent, but it's not worth climbing up the rest of the tree. If you want to PvP, you should be putting talents into imp. intercept and hamstring, especially over improved disciplines.
Once again: you're going to want to step into the fury tree right now and get cruelty. No matter what you do down the line for the rest of your talents, you're going to want cruelty, and it's the best management of your talents in the here and now to put your points into it.
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Again, second wind is fairly useless if you have no interest in PvP, and Imp MS is fairly garbage for the points you have to sink in. Endless rage is a solid talent, but it's not worth climbing up the rest of the tree. If you want to PvP, you should be putting talents into imp. intercept and hamstring, especially over improved disciplines.
Once again: you're going to want to step into the fury tree right now and get cruelty. No matter what you do down the line for the rest of your talents, you're going to want cruelty, and it's the best management of your talents in the here and now to put your points into it.
I thought Imp MS was buffed in 3.0 so it was no longer a joke talent?
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edited October 2008
In 3.0, yes. It's a 3 point talent, and for 3 points it's decent.
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Well whats the point in arguing about pre 3.0 specs when there is like literally 1 week until the new patch?
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I have a better idea, log on right now and enchant my sword.
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I just noticed that they increased taunt's range to 20 yards.
Holy balls what.
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edited October 2008
Of course the paladin taunt is still...unique. It affects 3 targets and you pretty much have to set up a specialized macro for it to be efficient.
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Bzzt, wrong. You don't have to set up a specialized macro, you can taunt directly off the mob since 2-3 live patches ago. I can't think of any situations where you'd want less mobs when you taunt. Difference now would be 10 sec cooldown opposed to 8 seconds for single target taunts as well as 40 yrds opposed to 20.
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Oh, they changed that too? I've had a macro set up for ages so I guess I haven't noticed.
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My god. You're the huntard from which all other huntards descended.
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So I'm better off with 2/2 Imp Overpower or 1/2 Second Wind?
Either
3/3 Rend. You have got to be shitting me.
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Oh my God your spec is embarrassing. Improved heroic strike and rend....I am shitting my pants and crying.
Look...I am guessing you're doing this for PvE, right? You're gonna want to step into the fury tree and grab cruelty for the crit, and probably just continue to climb that tree. If you want to do some PvP, the you're doing it wrong.
EDIT: GET DEFLECTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IMP HEROIC STRIKE AND REND SUCK MAJOR DONKEY NUTS
JustinSane, you'll definitely want 5/5 cruelty in the Fury tree as Munkus suggested. I'd also throw a point into Imp. Overpower to cap it, and Second Wind is pretty valuable if you're doing any PvP, as you'll often find yourself rooted/incapacitated, and that extra rage and HP regen always seemed to help me out in those situations.
Also, Imp. Rend is actually going to be downright useful when 3.0 hits because of Trauma (a talent that will be introduced in that patch) and Taste for Blood (just because you'll want to use Rend more at that point).
Bottom line is that imp. rend is extremely horrible and I really do throw up a little in my mouth when I see people spec'd to it.
EDIT: Ok, rend seems to be situational come patch due to the enrage shenanigans causing it to do quad damage, but that still doesn't mean you should spec imp. rend. Taste for Blood isn't going to be worth it in my mind unless they improve overpower so you can use it without going into battle-stance.
It's not even worth using on rogues in PvP because deep wounds will solve that problem easy. From what I'm reading, it's going to be extremely situational at 3.0. You will only use it on mobs that are enraged and only when you won't lose rage switching to battle stance.
But right now, at this exact moment? Yeah, Rend is the butt monkey of the entire Warrior skill line. Man, I remember way back when you had to take Imp. Rend so you could get Impale and Deep Wounds. There was much rejoicing on the day that link was broken.
the 4x damage on enraged targets only applies to post-70 ranks of rend
the talents still aren't worth it
Heroic Throw + Shield Bash + Concussion Blow + Shockwave + Spell Reflect = You can cast spells ? Oh, sorry.
Everything useful in PvP Prot can do in battle stance except switching to Defensive Stance for Intervene and Berserker for Intercept. Shield Slamming PW:S off Priests and Ice Barrier off Mages is the greatest thing ever.
I know I need Cruelty, but I'm level 43. Unless you want to provide me with free talent points, it's going to be a little while before I can fucking have it.
As for Heroic Strike and Rend, think about it, I was using fucking Heroic Strike exclusively before 40 because I lacked a viable instant attack. Same goes for fucking Rend. They're useful as all fuck before MS.
And I'm not going Fury. I posted earlier in this very fucking thread that I have a 64 fury warrior on another server. I'm going Arms because it's something fucking different. I never once specced arms on my other warrior, so this one is different to me.
Jesus fucking christ. Lay the fuck off.
Considering the way Munkus behaved, you are right he didn't say it enough.
Look einstein, I said get cruelty. As in, the next points you spend should be in cruelty. You're at the point in arms where any more points spent primarily increase your PvP viability and do almost nothing for your PvE ability.
When you do something rather stupid (deflection is still better than imp heroic strike or rend for leveling even if you are using both in your rotation, which should never happen once you hit 30). You're usually better off tossing on a sunder or two than using rend, it's pretty horrible. And, for that matter, heroic strike.
You came in here looking for criticism. You got some. Imp. Rend is objectively embarrassing.
EDIT: Arthil, someone already said that the improvements only apply to post 70 rend skills. And deep wounds is worth it because it costs zero rage to do and basically gives you a nice passive increase in dps.
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A little off topic, but what other abilities are getting a new component to them post-70? I can think of Mage Armor and Inner Fire off the top of my head, but are there any others?
Saying "get cruelty" is not the same as "put your next 5 points into Cruelty." Because one makes sense, the other is more vague. See if you can guess which is which. Go ahead.
And what magical ability do you get at 30 that you should no longer need HS and Rend for damage? Are you gonna say Whirlwind? Cuz that's 36. Until that point, there are no instant attacks outside of Revenge. So I have no idea what you're talking about at 30.
Btw, does it make you angry that I open every fight with Charge -> Rend to keep Blood Frenzy up? Does that make you cry for all warriors everywhere? Sorry, I like using Rend. I think it has value.
I also didn't come here looking for criticism, I came asking a question and wanting an answer. I got my answer from other people.
I'm not gonna reply to anything you have to say after this because I don't want to derail the thread any further. I got Second Wind 1/2 and I'm gonna continue with Imp MS and into Endless Rage.
That's 'cause you're a retard.
I'm dead serious."
Just because you think it has value doesn't mean that it does have value. Rend is widely regarded as the worst skill in the game. It does poor damage for the rage spent, that's the bottom line. When leveling my most recent warrior, I had issues with getting a single rend to tick through before killing the mob I was on. And when you hit 30, you should have execute (if memory serves correctly) which is where most of your unspent rage should be going toward.
Again, second wind is fairly useless if you have no interest in PvP, and Imp MS is fairly garbage for the points you have to sink in. Endless rage is a solid talent, but it's not worth climbing up the rest of the tree. If you want to PvP, you should be putting talents into imp. intercept and hamstring, especially over improved disciplines.
Once again: you're going to want to step into the fury tree right now and get cruelty. No matter what you do down the line for the rest of your talents, you're going to want cruelty, and it's the best management of your talents in the here and now to put your points into it.
How dare you have opinions and playstyle preferences!
I thought Imp MS was buffed in 3.0 so it was no longer a joke talent?
Ask a silly question...?
Holy balls what.
I'm assuming the rationale was Paladins have it, why not everyone else. (Growl and Dark Command are also now 20 yrds)