Hey Dhalphir, how much money have you made through inscription, and how have you done it?
I haven't tried. I levelled it just for the shoulder enchants. I make my money from mining.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
I will definitely disagree with instance gear being pointless while levelling...a lot of gear is very nice, just superseded by rep rewards very soon after dinging 80.
Holy Paladins, what are you picks for best in slot trinkets? I'm thinking Soul of the Dead/Darkmoon INT Greatness, with egg/embrace being replacements for people unable to afford darkmoon.
That was comprehensive. Thank you. I started crafting myself a cobalt set as I get the mats for it because I'm cheap and I really want epic flying sometime this decade.
Unfortunately my horde paladin is not a blacksmith, so I'm going to have to drop the cash it looks like. I like how Blizzard provided tanking gear all the way up to 80 as well. Thanks guys.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
I'm at 242 Hit Rating right now, tanking heroics and starting to break into 10-mans.
Should I replace the +26 agility enchant I have on my Red Sword of Courage with a Titanium Weapon Chain?
Or is it so little of a difference that it doesn't matter?
Depends what you want. I use potency for the avoidance, attack power, and the boost it gives to my spells through the AP coefficient.
Are you defense capped, are you going after avoidance and stamina? Hit rating is pretty frivolous to go after IMO if you can get more avoidance and stamina. It's nice and all but it's only really a bonus on gear if you have it, I'm not going to actively gem, enchant, or whatever to get it. That is, unless you're having a hard time staying ahead of your dps threat wise.
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UGH. Everytime I get a new piece of Tier 7 I cry. After last nights run tho, I believe we're a bit overkill on threat (without the JoL bug). I must've pissed off the DK tank that outgeared me because after an IT&PS I just did a Slam and overtook him in agro.
I'm at 242 Hit Rating right now, tanking heroics and starting to break into 10-mans.
Should I replace the +26 agility enchant I have on my Red Sword of Courage with a Titanium Weapon Chain?
Or is it so little of a difference that it doesn't matter?
Just wait to new patch and get the Stamina enchant?
Two weeks without an enchant seems an awful lot of time. Titanium Weapon Chains are pretty inexpensive, but I wouldn't replace the +26 agility enchant for them.
I'm at 242 Hit Rating right now, tanking heroics and starting to break into 10-mans.
Should I replace the +26 agility enchant I have on my Red Sword of Courage with a Titanium Weapon Chain?
Or is it so little of a difference that it doesn't matter?
Just wait to new patch and get the Stamina enchant?
Two weeks without an enchant seems an awful lot of time. Titanium Weapon Chains are pretty inexpensive, but I wouldn't replace the +26 agility enchant for them.
Yeah the agility seems like it would build, ultimately, more tps than the chain.
I know after all is said and done I'm sitting at about 4.5-5K threat and our warrior is at 6 or so on single target. I'm not sure how much hit the warrior has, but mine is substantially low and I still have absolutely no problem managing threat unless I someone forget to bust out righteous fury which I've done a few times on trash.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
To be honest though, I've having trouble replacing my gear as I go without going under the cap. I think I'm going to have to switch off from the Nerubhide cloak to the Wyrmrest one till gear starts having more defense than what I have.
I won Gloves of the Master and the Plague Immune boots on Sunday and while I've got them enchanted I'm weighing up whether to stick with the shield block rating on the ones I'm currently wearing. I've got the dodge ring from Heroic Gundrak, but like I said I can't afford to sacrifice that much defense for the dodge right now while raiding. Hell, the same goes for my chest piece for T7.
For 2hnd it seems to be 8%, not sure for 1hnd. Though it seems to fluctuate from pally to pally, depending on if you had the precision talent before the patch.
Gear. at 70, make, or get made for you a full Cobalt plate set. It's straight up STR/STA/DEF and you won't find anything better as you're leveling except for the Tempered Saronite BS gear which as you can equip the peices, get them. This will last you till 80 and you start replacing the Tempered Saronite stuff with instance/rep gear. If you find something better in a quest or something, go for it, but it's really rare that quest tank gear pre-80 is as good.
To be honest though, I've having trouble replacing my gear as I go without going under the cap. I think I'm going to have to switch off from the Nerubhide cloak to the Wyrmrest one till gear starts having more defense than what I have.
I won Gloves of the Master and the Plague Immune boots on Sunday and while I've got them enchanted I'm weighing up whether to stick with the shield block rating on the ones I'm currently wearing. I've got the dodge ring from Heroic Gundrak, but like I said I can't afford to sacrifice that much defense for the dodge right now while raiding. Hell, the same goes for my chest piece for T7.
Couple things to get. Get this cloak from 25 man gothik. The defense makes up for the slight loss of dodge and also gives you parry and block. If your actively running 25 mans save the badges for the ring, it has a whopping 56 defense on it. If your not running 25 mans though try managing sartharion with 1 drake up for a badass cloak. The other thing i keep telling people, get a defense trinket either seal of the pantheon from normal HoL, or repelling charge from 10 man thadiuss, and dont be afraid to gem or enchant for defense.
Muahaha. I specced ret last night to do some instances and I was doing probably 1800ish dps the entire time in my pretty paltry gear that's half prot and half ret with a hit rating of 115 something.
I can't wait for duel specs so I can do this at will in instances or during raids.
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I'm in the same def boat. I find myself regemming and enchanting every time I get a new piece. I picked up two pieces (belt and pants) from Naxx10 last night. I'm scrambling to re-enchant my chest and cloak so I can use them since the crafted Tempered Saronite belt and the AD pants have a huge chunk of def on them.
I should go get the CoT head enchant. I'm almost there for my AD head enchant, but in the meantime the lack of def is killing me. I need to replace my Adamantine Figurine as well. 3.0.8 can't come fast enough. I want my metagem in my Tempered Titansteel Helm.
Wuh? No. If those other numbers are right (and I think they are), 1% hit is 32.88 rating, so you want 264 rating for 8% hit. 231 for 7% if you're a Draenei or always have one.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
To be honest though, I've having trouble replacing my gear as I go without going under the cap. I think I'm going to have to switch off from the Nerubhide cloak to the Wyrmrest one till gear starts having more defense than what I have.
I won Gloves of the Master and the Plague Immune boots on Sunday and while I've got them enchanted I'm weighing up whether to stick with the shield block rating on the ones I'm currently wearing. I've got the dodge ring from Heroic Gundrak, but like I said I can't afford to sacrifice that much defense for the dodge right now while raiding. Hell, the same goes for my chest piece for T7.
Couple things to get. Get this cloak from 25 man gothik. The defense makes up for the slight loss of dodge and also gives you parry and block. If your actively running 25 mans save the badges for the ring, it has a whopping 56 defense on it. If your not running 25 mans though try managing sartharion with 1 drake up for a badass cloak. The other thing i keep telling people, get a defense trinket either seal of the pantheon from normal HoL, or repelling charge from 10 man thadiuss, and dont be afraid to gem or enchant for defense.
Even though I can stay capped without Repelling Charge, I'm still using it. I prefer the 84 defense and health on-use effect to the 84 dodge and 400 dodge on-use effect.
Also, that Cloak of the Shadowed Sun, one thing people often forget to note about it is that 490 armor is HUGE.
This is a very barebones guide to plate defense gear. It prioritizes defense over everything else, but it makes a nice shopping list, and is really useful for filling in empty slots.
These are also helpful guides for a Paladin who's hit 80 and is either gearing up or is geared for heroics.
The first outlines loot to get you to reaching 535 defence, the second gives a rough ranking of the 10 top ten pieces of each slot to give you an idea of what to shoot for.
Happy New Years guys. Posting this from my iPhone in a hotel so excuse the punctuation. Anyways, what addon do you guys use to track your tps? Recount doesn't show tps so not sure what the best addon is for that.
but i wouldn't say it's really necessary now (you are probably doing this much TPS: enough)
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
If you aren't doing Malygos, your TPS is probably high enough.
edit: Omen 3 is still a worthy investmnet, it lets you see whether you need to focus gungho on TPS constantly or whether you can afford to slack a little and pay more attention to your surroundings
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
I haven't really heard of any worthwhile alternatives for Omen, so that's probably your best bet.
From where you are now you want to start stacking stamina. If you don't have your gear enchanted yet (it didn't look like it on armory) get +22 stam to your boots and Heavy Borean Armor Patches on whatever pieces of gear it will fit on. Grab a belt buckle for your belt and throw either a +16 defence gem in there or a +24 stamina one. Gradually work up on HP and then when you're at 22-24k your dodge/parry/block. Get the +defence enchant on your shield and it will last you a long long time. +12 defence on your bracers and +12 on your cloak as well, then one of the +stam/agi patches on your leggings too (just the blue one) and then try and get the epic ones at the end of Violet Hold.
Buy a Wyrmrest Accord tabard and go for Honoured so you can get the chest (+22 defence enchant on it) then swap to Argent Crusade Tabard and start heading to Revered so you can get the Helm enchant that gives you +Defence/Stam. Some of the bosses can hit for close to 15k so you want to start padding your health up. Run Utgarde Keep, Nexus and Drak'Tharon Keep (these are the easy starting ones) and save badges until you have 25, then grab the epic tanking neck. After that you probably want to save badges for either the epic belt or the +dodge trinket, both of which cost 40 badges.
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I haven't tried. I levelled it just for the shoulder enchants. I make my money from mining.
That was comprehensive. Thank you. I started crafting myself a cobalt set as I get the mats for it because I'm cheap and I really want epic flying sometime this decade.
Unfortunately my horde paladin is not a blacksmith, so I'm going to have to drop the cash it looks like. I like how Blizzard provided tanking gear all the way up to 80 as well. Thanks guys.
Forge ember is a very good trinket, and considering how good Scarab of the Infinite Cycle was, Egg is basically the upgraded version.
Depends what you want. I use potency for the avoidance, attack power, and the boost it gives to my spells through the AP coefficient.
Are you defense capped, are you going after avoidance and stamina? Hit rating is pretty frivolous to go after IMO if you can get more avoidance and stamina. It's nice and all but it's only really a bonus on gear if you have it, I'm not going to actively gem, enchant, or whatever to get it. That is, unless you're having a hard time staying ahead of your dps threat wise.
Just wait to new patch and get the Stamina enchant?
Two weeks without an enchant seems an awful lot of time. Titanium Weapon Chains are pretty inexpensive, but I wouldn't replace the +26 agility enchant for them.
Yeah the agility seems like it would build, ultimately, more tps than the chain.
I know after all is said and done I'm sitting at about 4.5-5K threat and our warrior is at 6 or so on single target. I'm not sure how much hit the warrior has, but mine is substantially low and I still have absolutely no problem managing threat unless I someone forget to bust out righteous fury which I've done a few times on trash.
By a lot.
You and your fancy hit rating.
I rock the chain too.
To be honest though, I've having trouble replacing my gear as I go without going under the cap. I think I'm going to have to switch off from the Nerubhide cloak to the Wyrmrest one till gear starts having more defense than what I have.
Link.
I won Gloves of the Master and the Plague Immune boots on Sunday and while I've got them enchanted I'm weighing up whether to stick with the shield block rating on the ones I'm currently wearing. I've got the dodge ring from Heroic Gundrak, but like I said I can't afford to sacrifice that much defense for the dodge right now while raiding. Hell, the same goes for my chest piece for T7.
For 1h in a raid situation vs. boss its 9% or 296 hit.
I thought so.
Same for 2h?
I believe so
Couple things to get. Get this cloak from 25 man gothik. The defense makes up for the slight loss of dodge and also gives you parry and block. If your actively running 25 mans save the badges for the ring, it has a whopping 56 defense on it. If your not running 25 mans though try managing sartharion with 1 drake up for a badass cloak. The other thing i keep telling people, get a defense trinket either seal of the pantheon from normal HoL, or repelling charge from 10 man thadiuss, and dont be afraid to gem or enchant for defense.
I can't wait for duel specs so I can do this at will in instances or during raids.
I should go get the CoT head enchant. I'm almost there for my AD head enchant, but in the meantime the lack of def is killing me. I need to replace my Adamantine Figurine as well. 3.0.8 can't come fast enough. I want my metagem in my Tempered Titansteel Helm.
There is overwhelming evidence that it is not 9%, but 8%.
Even though I can stay capped without Repelling Charge, I'm still using it. I prefer the 84 defense and health on-use effect to the 84 dodge and 400 dodge on-use effect.
Also, that Cloak of the Shadowed Sun, one thing people often forget to note about it is that 490 armor is HUGE.
Woo just hit 80 today also, slow paladin is slow.
Thanks, dammit I have a long way to go.
Yeah, it's a pretty big pain in the ass.
This is a very barebones guide to plate defense gear. It prioritizes defense over everything else, but it makes a nice shopping list, and is really useful for filling in empty slots.
The first outlines loot to get you to reaching 535 defence, the second gives a rough ranking of the 10 top ten pieces of each slot to give you an idea of what to shoot for.
but i wouldn't say it's really necessary now (you are probably doing this much TPS: enough)
edit: Omen 3 is still a worthy investmnet, it lets you see whether you need to focus gungho on TPS constantly or whether you can afford to slack a little and pay more attention to your surroundings
Woo!
Congrats.
From where you are now you want to start stacking stamina. If you don't have your gear enchanted yet (it didn't look like it on armory) get +22 stam to your boots and Heavy Borean Armor Patches on whatever pieces of gear it will fit on. Grab a belt buckle for your belt and throw either a +16 defence gem in there or a +24 stamina one. Gradually work up on HP and then when you're at 22-24k your dodge/parry/block. Get the +defence enchant on your shield and it will last you a long long time. +12 defence on your bracers and +12 on your cloak as well, then one of the +stam/agi patches on your leggings too (just the blue one) and then try and get the epic ones at the end of Violet Hold.
Buy a Wyrmrest Accord tabard and go for Honoured so you can get the chest (+22 defence enchant on it) then swap to Argent Crusade Tabard and start heading to Revered so you can get the Helm enchant that gives you +Defence/Stam. Some of the bosses can hit for close to 15k so you want to start padding your health up. Run Utgarde Keep, Nexus and Drak'Tharon Keep (these are the easy starting ones) and save badges until you have 25, then grab the epic tanking neck. After that you probably want to save badges for either the epic belt or the +dodge trinket, both of which cost 40 badges.