Why use it at all, or why re-prioritize it on AOE packs?
You use it regardless, as it's a pretty significant DPS boost.
Am I reading the tooltip wrong?
The glyph says it increases the duration and cooldown of Consecration by 2 seconds.
Doesn't that uh... sound pretty lame? Especially for a major glyph? I'd much rather have the Glyph of Blood or Glyph of Command along with the Judgement and Crusader glyphs over that one.
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Why use it at all, or why re-prioritize it on AOE packs?
You use it regardless, as it's a pretty significant DPS boost.
Am I reading the tooltip wrong?
The glyph says it increases the duration and cooldown of Consecration by 2 seconds.
Doesn't that uh... sound pretty lame? Especially for a major glyph? I'd much rather have the Glyph of Blood or Glyph of Command along with the Judgement and Crusader glyphs over that one.
It lasts two seconds longer without you having to refresh it. It's a significant DPS boost and MPM boost
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Over an 80 second fight, the conc glyph will save you roughly 2 consecrates and give you a looser set of cooldown restrictions on your rotation from the increased CD and extra GCDs you get.
Is it worth wearing leather as a ret paladin? I only ask because I will most likely be exalted with the Ebon Blade tomorrow and the chest has a shit load of AP and Agility on it, and I think http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37890 are way better than my current legs.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37263 are better in every way but stamina than those mail legs (and, in fact, are legs that I'm still using), but the Ebon Hold exalted leather chestpiece is still extremely good for a pre-raid piece. I used it for a long while.
Is it worth wearing leather as a ret paladin? I only ask because I will most likely be exalted with the Ebon Blade tomorrow and the chest has a shit load of AP and Agility on it, and I think http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37890 are way better than my current legs.
Case by case basis. If its better, you wear it, if not, you don't.
I would never roll against a leather wearer for leather, though, thats just wrong.
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edited January 2009
So my 69 DK just got 4-shot my a level 70 ret paladin (died in the three second duration of Hammer of Justice, I think)
Yeah, ret pvp is pretty amusing these days. Even more so when your raid leaves Malygos full buffed and runs into Wintergrasp to take it over. Having a pocket healer so I can run Seal of Blood in pvp? Yes, please.
In other news I won the Fury of the Five Flights tonight. This trinket is like an orgasm of awesome.
It's one of the (relatively) few trinkets that will count towards the Epic achievement. What I find odd is that the best Ret trinket in the game, Darkmoon Card: Greatness, doesn't count towards it; it only has an iLvl of 200.
So this is my pally currently.
I know my spec is probably pretty silly. I just kind of threw something together that kind of resembled my old questing/5-man healing spec. I wanted to get to actually playing.
So seal of the Crusader is gone? I kind of miss the extra holy damage.
Is Seal of Corruption better for long fights than righteousness? How about short normal mobs?
The new cooldown on holy shock is awesome, but I sometimes forget it's ready again.
I'm glad judgments trigger GCD now, cause after 3 hours last night, I'm still trying to waste mana by reapplying my seals after judging.
Yeah, that was kind of a "Hey kings!" slight pause "shit, that is not the kings I thought it was" moment.
I think I'm still under 50G to respec and have at least 500 on hand so it's not a huge crisis or anything.
Yeah, that was kind of a "Hey kings!" slight pause "shit, that is not the kings I thought it was" moment.
I think I'm still under 50G to respec and have at least 500 on hand so it's not a huge crisis or anything.
Drop kings and snag up beacon. Grab kings as you level if you want it.
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So this is my pally currently.
I know my spec is probably pretty silly. I just kind of threw something together that kind of resembled my old questing/5-man healing spec. I wanted to get to actually playing.
So seal of the Crusader is gone? I kind of miss the extra holy damage.
Is Seal of Corruption better for long fights than righteousness? How about short normal mobs?
The new cooldown on holy shock is awesome, but I sometimes forget it's ready again.
I'm glad judgments trigger GCD now, cause after 3 hours last night, I'm still trying to waste mana by reapplying my seals after judging.
Judgment of the Crusader has been rolled into everyone of our abilities. Everything just got the modifier from it baked in.
So this is my pally currently.
I know my spec is probably pretty silly. I just kind of threw something together that kind of resembled my old questing/5-man healing spec. I wanted to get to actually playing.
So seal of the Crusader is gone? I kind of miss the extra holy damage.
Is Seal of Corruption better for long fights than righteousness? How about short normal mobs?
The new cooldown on holy shock is awesome, but I sometimes forget it's ready again.
I'm glad judgments trigger GCD now, cause after 3 hours last night, I'm still trying to waste mana by reapplying my seals after judging.
Judgment of the Crusader has been rolled into everyone of our abilities. Everything just got the modifier from it baked in.
Well, that's pretty tasty. So we're just better in general? I dig that.
I died once last night, because I aggrod a ton of those Kobolds on the bloodspore plain, and i thought, I can handle this. And I almost did. Then the pollen got to me, and I thought, I can handle this. Just bubble and heal and Oh-shit-why-is-bubble-not-on-my-action-bar-anymore!!?
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
My friend has been a prot paladin since BC, and back then it was important to have a +spelldamage weapon for tanking. Is that no longer the case? If not, why not?
So this is my pally currently.
I know my spec is probably pretty silly. I just kind of threw something together that kind of resembled my old questing/5-man healing spec. I wanted to get to actually playing.
So seal of the Crusader is gone? I kind of miss the extra holy damage.
Is Seal of Corruption better for long fights than righteousness? How about short normal mobs?
The new cooldown on holy shock is awesome, but I sometimes forget it's ready again.
I'm glad judgments trigger GCD now, cause after 3 hours last night, I'm still trying to waste mana by reapplying my seals after judging.
Judgment of the Crusader has been rolled into everyone of our abilities. Everything just got the modifier from it baked in.
Well, by now this has lost all meaning, as seals and judgements have been changed and buffed and nerfed so much since we were first reassured about the removal of Crusader. I think -- before taking talents into account -- seals/judgements actually do less damage for a holy paladin now than they used to, possibly even without JotC being on the target.
It's not particularly important, since holy paladins have other new ways to put out more damage than they used to, but the whole "baked in Crusader" thing at this point is basically just rhetoric.
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
Pffft. I did that in vanilla. It was called the TE fight. 15 mins of FoL spam.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
you had 100% illumination.
Shut up.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
Pffft. I did that in vanilla. It was called the TE fight. 15 mins of FoL spam.
Pretty much every fight in vanilla was x mins of FoL spam, which is why I'll never play a raid healer again, ever.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
Pffft. I did that in vanilla. It was called the TE fight. 15 mins of FoL spam.
Pretty much every fight in vanilla was x mins of FoL spam, which is why I'll never play a raid healer again, ever.
Hey that's not fair...plenty of fights were cleanse spamming...which is like FoL spamming but suckier because the fucking boss is just going to do it again in 10 seconds at which point vent will be flooded with "I need cleansing".
Now if you'll excuse me, some kids are on my lawn.
28k mana pool last evening......Must get more 25-man purples...must get 30k Raid-buffed mana pool...
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
Pffft. I did that in vanilla. It was called the TE fight. 15 mins of FoL spam.
Pretty much every fight in vanilla was x mins of FoL spam, which is why I'll never play a raid healer again, ever.
Hey that's not fair...plenty of fights were cleanse spamming...which is like FoL spamming but suckier because the fucking boss is just going to do it again in 10 seconds at which point vent will be flooded with "I need cleansing".
Now if you'll excuse me, some kids are on my lawn.
We brought like eight pallies to raids, so cleanse spam wasn't so bad - with decursive, you beat the shit out of your cleanse key for like six seconds, and then went back to casting FoL and cancelling it because the druid is bored and decided to drop HoTs on everyone.
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Am I reading the tooltip wrong?
The glyph says it increases the duration and cooldown of Consecration by 2 seconds.
Doesn't that uh... sound pretty lame? Especially for a major glyph? I'd much rather have the Glyph of Blood or Glyph of Command along with the Judgement and Crusader glyphs over that one.
It lasts two seconds longer without you having to refresh it. It's a significant DPS boost and MPM boost
they are not faster
Oh yeahhhhhh. 8-)
Case by case basis. If its better, you wear it, if not, you don't.
I would never roll against a leather wearer for leather, though, thats just wrong.
What the fuck is going on, paladins!
As a DK you simply need to learn your place. Hint: Kneepads will help.
In other news I won the Fury of the Five Flights tonight. This trinket is like an orgasm of awesome.
Gratz. That thing is sex.
I know my spec is probably pretty silly. I just kind of threw something together that kind of resembled my old questing/5-man healing spec. I wanted to get to actually playing.
So seal of the Crusader is gone? I kind of miss the extra holy damage.
Is Seal of Corruption better for long fights than righteousness? How about short normal mobs?
The new cooldown on holy shock is awesome, but I sometimes forget it's ready again.
I'm glad judgments trigger GCD now, cause after 3 hours last night, I'm still trying to waste mana by reapplying my seals after judging.
I think I'm still under 50G to respec and have at least 500 on hand so it's not a huge crisis or anything.
Drop kings and snag up beacon. Grab kings as you level if you want it.
Judgment of the Crusader has been rolled into everyone of our abilities. Everything just got the modifier from it baked in.
I died once last night, because I aggrod a ton of those Kobolds on the bloodspore plain, and i thought, I can handle this. And I almost did. Then the pollen got to me, and I thought, I can handle this. Just bubble and heal and Oh-shit-why-is-bubble-not-on-my-action-bar-anymore!!?
I have half a mind to seriously push to get that +90 intel Darkmoon card. How feasible would pushing towards 35k mana be...... I think it would be downright hilarious to see that thing proc, throw up a Divine Plea, and then giggle at every other Healing Class in this game. Mp5, Innervate, and Spirit ain't got shit on us right now..
Kinda' makes me sad, because there's no way this can stay like it is for long...
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My friend has been a prot paladin since BC, and back then it was important to have a +spelldamage weapon for tanking. Is that no longer the case? If not, why not?
It's not particularly important, since holy paladins have other new ways to put out more damage than they used to, but the whole "baked in Crusader" thing at this point is basically just rhetoric.
And Hammer of the Righteous does damage based on melee damage, not spell power.
my holy paladin, in 3-4 Naxx10 epics, and a few heroics epics, and blues, can sustain Flash of Light spam for 16 minutes using cooldowns, and Holy Light spam for around 3 minutes.
Its kind of retarded considering I have 90 mp5 while casting.
Pffft. I did that in vanilla. It was called the TE fight. 15 mins of FoL spam.
Shut up.
I also had vanilla itemization. And I didn't have DP.
Pretty much every fight in vanilla was x mins of FoL spam, which is why I'll never play a raid healer again, ever.
Hey that's not fair...plenty of fights were cleanse spamming...which is like FoL spamming but suckier because the fucking boss is just going to do it again in 10 seconds at which point vent will be flooded with "I need cleansing".
Now if you'll excuse me, some kids are on my lawn.
We brought like eight pallies to raids, so cleanse spam wasn't so bad - with decursive, you beat the shit out of your cleanse key for like six seconds, and then went back to casting FoL and cancelling it because the druid is bored and decided to drop HoTs on everyone.