Yes, but be fair. Some kind of coherence is kind of important in writing comics. It's a two-way street.
I don't think Marvel's burning desire to pile one mega-event on top of another without thinking through the fallout of each one reflects that the readers are not suspending enough disbelief.
Speaking of which, I still don't understand why all of Earth's heroes went into a drooling trance in that X-men annual with kitty and the space bullet.
edit: beated twice. I'm like a normal human, being shoved aside by mutants on their way up the evolutionary ladder.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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The bullet had some magic spell on it or something to make anyone who interfered with it to go into a trance thinking they stopped it.
That's right, Breakworld doesn't have the ability to create a hospital or medicine, but they can make you think you stopped a big bullet by webbing it up.
... so it was just a giant hollow-tipped bullet to shoot a planet and someone cast a magic spell on it?
I ... uh. I got nuthin'.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Whedon can do good dialogue (it's smart and in character), but some of the plots were just bad.
The first arc of Astonishing was good with the cure, then the Hellfire Club arc was also good. Everything else was bad and boring, and the delays made it even worse.
Yes, but be fair. Some kind of coherence is kind of important in writing comics. It's a two-way street.
I don't think Marvel's burning desire to pile one mega-event on top of another without thinking through the fallout of each one reflects that the readers are not suspending enough disbelief.
That's fine, and I definitely get a little disoriented in the shuffle from one to the next, too.
My comment had more to do with Fencingsax's comments on things like Norman Osborn's rise to power. I really don't see the need to have every detail fleshed out. Some things are better left to the reader's imagination, especially when people are already complaining about Bendis' decompression problems.
But this is the X-thread so I won't keep derailing it.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Yes, but be fair. Some kind of coherence is kind of important in writing comics. It's a two-way street.
I don't think Marvel's burning desire to pile one mega-event on top of another without thinking through the fallout of each one reflects that the readers are not suspending enough disbelief.
That's fine, and I definitely get a little disoriented in the shuffle from one to the next, too.
My comment had more to do with Fencingsax's comments on things like Norman Osborn's rise to power. I really don't see the need to have every detail fleshed out. Some things are better left to the reader's imagination, especially when people are already complaining about Bendis' decompression problems.
But this is the X-thread so I won't keep derailing it.
I'll stop after this point, but I do not like Dark Reign at all. And my criticisms here are the beginning of that.
Yes, but be fair. Some kind of coherence is kind of important in writing comics. It's a two-way street.
I don't think Marvel's burning desire to pile one mega-event on top of another without thinking through the fallout of each one reflects that the readers are not suspending enough disbelief.
That's fine, and I definitely get a little disoriented in the shuffle from one to the next, too.
My comment had more to do with Fencingsax's comments on things like Norman Osborn's rise to power. I really don't see the need to have every detail fleshed out. Some things are better left to the reader's imagination, especially when people are already complaining about Bendis' decompression problems.
But this is the X-thread so I won't keep derailing it.
Oh, yeah. Gotcha.
Actually, I was initially really skeptical on the premise and not wanting to suspend even an iota of disbelief on Dark Reign, ("Dude wasn't even a cool, sexy villain like if Dr. Doom ran for president. He was the green freaking goblin,") but then someone in this forum chimed in, "Yeah well, America voted for Bush twice," and somehow that convinced me. After that, I was like, yeah, Norman's in power. After Dark Reign is over, his Marvel Universe approval ratings will be like 28% and he'll still appear on 60 Minutes and Leno badmouthing Tony Stark and Spider-man. People will let anyone take charge, fuck.
edit to add X-men thread relevance: Remember that time Wolverine popped his claws and stabbed that guy? That was cool.
something that has bugged m for a while about the xbooks, is the misleading covers, i mean it happens in all comic books. but i find it particularly annoying with xmen. For instnance, during the big messiah complex thing, or maybe it was manifest destiny (which honestly makes no sense to me as a title) where they showed jean grey on the cover of the first issue or something, so i'm waiting for some phoenix problem or even memory the whole time and nothing. then in the last issue of legacy, you've got mags on the cover, and the guy doesn't even make a cameo in a simulation, and if he did, it was soooo unoticable.
by my count right now wolverine is in 6 books on a regular basis, and he still has one offs, and ends up in other books. of course the 3rd wolverine unlimited monthly called weapon x starts in a couple of months, so there must be a huge market for him. the only other marvel characters i know who ever had multiple books published every month were spidey and punisher, maybe hulk in the 90s.
..How does Manifest Destiny make no sense to you as a title? Do you understand what Manifest Destiny is?
Wolverine is one of Marvel's most popular characters. Spider-Man and Wolverine are pretty much their Superman and Batman, commercial wise, so they do push him a bit hard. He isn't the only character that's in multiple books, though, as you seem to suggest.
The bullet had some magic spell on it or something to make anyone who interfered with it to go into a trance thinking they stopped it.
That's right, Breakworld doesn't have the ability to create a hospital or medicine, but they can make you think you stopped a big bullet by webbing it up.
Nothing can stop Joss Whedon from having a tragic, bittersweet ending. Nothing.
There's a 'Wolverine Saga' freebie out this week. Terrible, terrible stuff.
It sums up damn near every single Wolverine plot to ever happen in 616, even noting a bunch that were never resolved.
From what I've gathered, Wolverine has 2 flesh-and-blood children (One is Daken), 1 child that he made an honor vow to look after, and another that was killed in the womb by Sabretooth.
Also, his mind was wiped around 20 times before he even joined Team X (where he was in a dollhouse type scenario with near constant wipes).
Good stuff. The only parts that were even remotely interesting occurred in flagship X titles.
I like Matt Fraction and I think he's a good writer, but this arc of Uncanny is moving sooooo slowly. The only reason I've been keeping interest is to see the wonderful Dodson artwork, and that's going away next month. I just don't know if I have the strength of will to endure a slow story arc plus Greg Land art.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
edited March 2009
Looking back at my rant depresses me. I think about this way too much.
There's a 'Wolverine Saga' freebie out this week. Terrible, terrible stuff.
It sums up damn near every single Wolverine plot to ever happen in 616, even noting a bunch that were never resolved.
From what I've gathered, Wolverine has 2 flesh-and-blood children (One is Daken), 1 child that he made an honor vow to look after, and another that was killed in the womb by Sabretooth.
Also, his mind was wiped around 20 times before he even joined Team X (where he was in a dollhouse type scenario with near constant wipes).
Good stuff. The only parts that were even remotely interesting occurred in flagship X titles.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ruby Summers went with Layla Miller to the present? Then Scott would have another child from the future. She could meet Rachal, Nate, and Cable. They could discuss how it feels to be from the future and related to Scott.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ruby Summers went with Layla Miller to the present? Then Scott would have another child from the future. She could meet Rachal, Nate, and Cable. They could discuss how it feels to be from the future and related to Scott.
That just reminds me how much I hate the "familial" powers stuff.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited March 2009
I don't like that stuff because they aren't your parents, they are an alternate timeline. They don't count going by Marvel time travel rules.
The only one that makes sense is Cable because he was originally from this timeline.
That's why I never understood how everyone made Jean feel bad for not accepting Rachel when she first appeared, I wouldn't treat her like a daughter either.
I don't like that stuff because they aren't your parents, they are an alternate timeline. They don't count going by Marvel time travel rules.
The only one that makes sense is Cable because he was originally from this timeline.
That's why I never understood how everyone made Jean feel bad for not accepting Rachel when she first appeared, I wouldn't treat her like a daughter either.
To me, it's as if your twin sibling (i.e. your clone) had a child (at least from your perspective). Sure, they think of you as their parent but younger, but for you it's just a niece/nephew.
Anyway, why is it that the X-Men has so many time travel stories? You'd think the Fantastic Four, with their scientific background, would be have that market cornered.
Anyway, why is it that the X-Men has so many time travel stories? You'd think the Fantastic Four, with their scientific background, would be have that market cornered.
The "Sentinels have taken over the future" timeline has become such an X-men classic, it's like it's practically a place for people to visit. It's the secret neighborhood of New York, right behind the Bronx.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ruby Summers went with Layla Miller to the present? Then Scott would have another child from the future. She could meet Rachal, Nate, and Cable. They could discuss how it feels to be from the future and related to Scott.
That just reminds me how much I hate the "familial" powers stuff.
Normally, I'd agree... but they way they did Ruby was pretty awesome... combining her and Emma's powers like that was pretty sweet.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ruby Summers went with Layla Miller to the present? Then Scott would have another child from the future. She could meet Rachal, Nate, and Cable. They could discuss how it feels to be from the future and related to Scott.
That just reminds me how much I hate the "familial" powers stuff.
Normally, I'd agree... but they way they did Ruby was pretty awesome... combining her and Emma's powers like that was pretty sweet.
I know it's personal taste, so I'm not going to pretend you're wrong for liking Ruby, but I just honestly don't get what's interesting about her.
I think she's one of the better designs for future-children. She combines elements from two characters in a way that establishes the connection, but produces something unique and interesting in itself.
In most cases future-children are just girl Nightcrawlers, girls in Spider-Man costumes, or dudes covered in ugly future-armor like Cable and at least one version of Franklin Richards.
Speaking of Cable, did anyone read Messiah War #1?
Is Apocalypse in the story? I'm confused who Wolverine meant when he said him? I just see a technologically advanced city. No huge statues or anything.
Also, Ruby is awesome. I hope she wouldn't go to some shitty team like the Exiles. Wouldn't mind her on X-Factor! Maybe even have her join Cable. The possibilities are endless.
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I don't think Marvel's burning desire to pile one mega-event on top of another without thinking through the fallout of each one reflects that the readers are not suspending enough disbelief.
Speaking of which, I still don't understand why all of Earth's heroes went into a drooling trance in that X-men annual with kitty and the space bullet.
edit: beated twice. I'm like a normal human, being shoved aside by mutants on their way up the evolutionary ladder.
That's right, Breakworld doesn't have the ability to create a hospital or medicine, but they can make you think you stopped a big bullet by webbing it up.
I ... uh. I got nuthin'.
The first arc of Astonishing was good with the cure, then the Hellfire Club arc was also good. Everything else was bad and boring, and the delays made it even worse.
My comment had more to do with Fencingsax's comments on things like Norman Osborn's rise to power. I really don't see the need to have every detail fleshed out. Some things are better left to the reader's imagination, especially when people are already complaining about Bendis' decompression problems.
But this is the X-thread so I won't keep derailing it.
Oh, yeah. Gotcha.
Actually, I was initially really skeptical on the premise and not wanting to suspend even an iota of disbelief on Dark Reign, ("Dude wasn't even a cool, sexy villain like if Dr. Doom ran for president. He was the green freaking goblin,") but then someone in this forum chimed in, "Yeah well, America voted for Bush twice," and somehow that convinced me. After that, I was like, yeah, Norman's in power. After Dark Reign is over, his Marvel Universe approval ratings will be like 28% and he'll still appear on 60 Minutes and Leno badmouthing Tony Stark and Spider-man. People will let anyone take charge, fuck.
edit to add X-men thread relevance: Remember that time Wolverine popped his claws and stabbed that guy? That was cool.
Yeah, that was cool. He should do more of that.
Wolverine is one of Marvel's most popular characters. Spider-Man and Wolverine are pretty much their Superman and Batman, commercial wise, so they do push him a bit hard. He isn't the only character that's in multiple books, though, as you seem to suggest.
Nothing can stop Joss Whedon from having a tragic, bittersweet ending. Nothing.
It sums up damn near every single Wolverine plot to ever happen in 616, even noting a bunch that were never resolved.
From what I've gathered, Wolverine has 2 flesh-and-blood children (One is Daken), 1 child that he made an honor vow to look after, and another that was killed in the womb by Sabretooth.
Also, his mind was wiped around 20 times before he even joined Team X (where he was in a dollhouse type scenario with near constant wipes).
Good stuff. The only parts that were even remotely interesting occurred in flagship X titles.
That moment was pretty good. "I'm an X-man. I'm just making a point. *blam*"
He has a clone too.
That just reminds me how much I hate the "familial" powers stuff.
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The only one that makes sense is Cable because he was originally from this timeline.
That's why I never understood how everyone made Jean feel bad for not accepting Rachel when she first appeared, I wouldn't treat her like a daughter either.
To me, it's as if your twin sibling (i.e. your clone) had a child (at least from your perspective). Sure, they think of you as their parent but younger, but for you it's just a niece/nephew.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
At least with Cable, Jean and Scott actually did raise him as Slim and Red.
Anyway, why is it that the X-Men has so many time travel stories? You'd think the Fantastic Four, with their scientific background, would be have that market cornered.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
The "Sentinels have taken over the future" timeline has become such an X-men classic, it's like it's practically a place for people to visit. It's the secret neighborhood of New York, right behind the Bronx.
That wasn't cool. That was fucking awesome.
Normally, I'd agree... but they way they did Ruby was pretty awesome... combining her and Emma's powers like that was pretty sweet.
I know it's personal taste, so I'm not going to pretend you're wrong for liking Ruby, but I just honestly don't get what's interesting about her.
In most cases future-children are just girl Nightcrawlers, girls in Spider-Man costumes, or dudes covered in ugly future-armor like Cable and at least one version of Franklin Richards.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Also, Ruby is awesome. I hope she wouldn't go to some shitty team like the Exiles. Wouldn't mind her on X-Factor! Maybe even have her join Cable. The possibilities are endless.
But it seems more likely that PAD has a plan for her and her timeline.
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