I don't really know what some of you are talking about regarding demoman. Pipes are for spamming, not stickies. I really don't see how we could nerf stickies right now. The timing on the det is just right. They are decent but not awesome in close range combat, you're basically shooting at your feet and taking some damage to kill your opponent. Also, the fact that dying to your own stickies negates any damage that same detonation does to your enemy really balances things out.
Also, replacing the pipe launcher with shotgun is insane. One of the reasons demo is balanced is because it doesn't have any effective close-range weapon. Giving them a shotgun would make them way too good, in my opinion.
I don't really know what some of you are talking about regarding demoman. Pipes are for spamming, not stickies. I really don't see how we could nerf stickies right now. The timing on the det is just right. They are decent but not awesome in close range combat, you're basically shooting at your feet and taking some damage to kill your opponent. Also, the fact that dying to your own stickies negates any damage that same detonation does to your enemy really balances things out.
Also, replacing the pipe launcher with shotgun is insane. One of the reasons demo is balanced is because it doesn't have any effective close-range weapon. Giving them a shotgun would make them way too good, in my opinion.
I concur.
Edit: But I still think that reducing the number of stickies a demo can use at one time would eliminate the "wall" effect that I think people most complain about.
mine is blocked too. as is irc and anything else fun.
iowa did indeed tell me about that. he also mentioned that your mom was breathing into the camera. ask her not to do that next time.
my cat is being an asshole lately. my kitchen is being remodeled. it is completely gutted right now and support walls are being taken out and replaced with headers. i think the cat is pissed about all this work. he has decided to start crapping on the floor and pissing on the tile in the laundry room. i want to kill him.
My mom was indeed breathing into the camera. Well, not INTO the camera, but she has a respiratory problem that makes her breath loudly. It drives me crazy.
I should check if IRC works here. I completely forgot about that. Are there IRC channels for PA forums? I thought I heard of some once, but I haven't used IRC for a long time.
I've had to fix three or four wires and completely replace two others because of my bunnies, they're just little menaces. They somehow figure out how to get into these places then they're all like, "Time to clean up!" Love them so much.
My mom was indeed breathing into the camera. Well, not INTO the camera, but she has a respiratory problem that makes her breath loudly. It drives me crazy.
I should check if IRC works here. I completely forgot about that. Are there IRC channels for PA forums? I thought I heard of some once, but I haven't used IRC for a long time.
Does that mean the message in IRC I got from you a few days ago was from an imposter.
Woah, Boots. Are you saying I only have skill because I had a medic? If that's what you're saying, you're completely wrong. Just because I have a medic humping my leg for fun some nights doesn't mean I can't kick ass in 6v6, 8v8, or highlander tournaments, which I can do without a medic.
Whatev. I agree with whoever said Demo is one of the better constructed classes. Yes, there are a lot of nub demomen out there who toss nades around or just randomly throw stickies. I can at least aim with both pipes and stickies, and I use that to my full advantage. If any of you have ever played tourny's or seen .38$pecial play, you'll know what I mean.
You can argue the same points about 'nub' qualities with just about any other class. For example, pyros in my book are the ultimate lame. IMO it doesn't take much skill to just run around a map lighting people on fire from behind, esp with how fast they are and how fast the backburner kills ANYONE. Medics are more difficult to kill now with their blutsauger for anyone besides a heavy or pyro, especially for scouts. Scouts go way too fast for most demomen to easily kill. I could keep going on with arguments that people use to make their class stand out and seem 'fair' in comparison to the rest. No matter what anyone has to say, I believe that all of the classes in TF2 are pretty well balanced, and the only reason people complain is because they personally can't exploit their own classes strengths to win.
You sound like me 3 months ago. :P
I took a little tour of all the other classes after putting in close to 300 hours as demo and playing the game from the launch, to see how I skilled I actually was at the game. I can truely say, the Stickies need to be nerfed. (period) Demo is the only class (and I consider myself good at each clas now) that I can just truely, with no mercy, "murder" the other team with. I feel bad now even playing the class. I jumped on jobs the other night "drunk" and decided to play demo and walked away with a 65/4 kill/death (or something like that, cant remember). Thats rediculous! Any other class would have been nowhere near that. Just like Jonxp said, valve is even trying to fix them.
Please if you dont believe me take a spiritial journey through the classes.
edit: I think making the reload time a little longer, might help as well as snappies comment about 5-6 stickies.
Incidentally, demo is also my go-to "I've been playing awful and need to go kill people" class, but that doesn't make them overpowered by any means.
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edited October 2008
I will usually play sniper if I want to kill a bunch of people after I've had bad luck for a long time. Demomen and soldier is also a class I'll switch to from time to time.
I don't know why, but it seems like 90% of the time when I die and look up to see who killed me, it was a demoman.
Incidentally, demo is also my go-to "I've been playing awful and need to go kill people" class, but that doesn't make them overpowered by any means.
Demo is my "hmm, I need to try something new, let's see how this demo class works". Then I proceed to get absolutely no kills for ten solid minutes. Scouts bounce around me and laugh while I die, medics jump my pipes like they're in a decathlon, and engineers somehow repair through my lob spam.
Granted I'm pretty terrible in general with any class, but the demoman is something special. I'm not even useful as a bullet sponge at that point because I'm standing in the back row away from the action.
I will usually play sniper if I want to kill a bunch of people after I've had bad luck for a long time. Demomen and soldier is also a class I'll switch to from time to time.
I don't know why, but it seems like 90% of the time when I die and look up to see who killed me, it was a demoman.
God damn demomen!
Because all they have to do is spam their stickies into a crowed then they can wipe an entire area clean with a mouse click.
Any medic who sticks with me as pyro is a bad medic.
I wouldn't recommend that a medic stick with me, either, because they'll just find themselves surrounded by a group of enemy players and I'll probably be already dead!
For a while I was stuck with dialup, god that was horrible. The only class I could get kills with was the demoman. Line a cp with remote grenades and just wait. I'd get a few kills, until the server auto-booted me for ridicilous ping.
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iowa told you about that I suppose
my cats are pretty cool, but they're kinda needy.
I am also bored at work. I wish steam worked at work so I could chat with people, but it's blocked by the firewall. How lame is that?
Also, replacing the pipe launcher with shotgun is insane. One of the reasons demo is balanced is because it doesn't have any effective close-range weapon. Giving them a shotgun would make them way too good, in my opinion.
I concur.
Edit: But I still think that reducing the number of stickies a demo can use at one time would eliminate the "wall" effect that I think people most complain about.
iowa did indeed tell me about that. he also mentioned that your mom was breathing into the camera. ask her not to do that next time.
my cat is being an asshole lately. my kitchen is being remodeled. it is completely gutted right now and support walls are being taken out and replaced with headers. i think the cat is pissed about all this work. he has decided to start crapping on the floor and pissing on the tile in the laundry room. i want to kill him.
I'm actually looking for a third.
My mom was indeed breathing into the camera. Well, not INTO the camera, but she has a respiratory problem that makes her breath loudly. It drives me crazy.
I should check if IRC works here. I completely forgot about that. Are there IRC channels for PA forums? I thought I heard of some once, but I haven't used IRC for a long time.
I had a rabbit when I was younger and he actually never chewed on wires.
Man I wish I could be shooting some mans right now. god damn work is boring.
Use Mibbit.com.
The server that most of the forums use is Slashnet, and I hang out on #paforums_pax, and just started #paforums_tf2
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So yeah my computer has been messed up recently due to all the crashing
Now my SATA 500gb HD with all my gamez won't be detected on my comp
this would spawn and endless cat-love that would surpass that of the known ages.
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Does that mean the message in IRC I got from you a few days ago was from an imposter.
Although I was off yesterday since work blows.
Also dogs, in fact, drool. Cats do not.
You sound like me 3 months ago. :P
I took a little tour of all the other classes after putting in close to 300 hours as demo and playing the game from the launch, to see how I skilled I actually was at the game. I can truely say, the Stickies need to be nerfed. (period) Demo is the only class (and I consider myself good at each clas now) that I can just truely, with no mercy, "murder" the other team with. I feel bad now even playing the class. I jumped on jobs the other night "drunk" and decided to play demo and walked away with a 65/4 kill/death (or something like that, cant remember). Thats rediculous! Any other class would have been nowhere near that. Just like Jonxp said, valve is even trying to fix them.
Please if you dont believe me take a spiritial journey through the classes.
edit: I think making the reload time a little longer, might help as well as snappies comment about 5-6 stickies.
Bunnies also rule.
Dog's just smell, and want to be all up in your business... they also bark.
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It is his fault I can't heal you in time.
He needs to streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.
we should have a little tf2 irc party here in IRC
(because I am bored and the servers are empty)
There is also the main IRC cahnnel, #paforums.
Truth.
Incidentally, demo is also my go-to "I've been playing awful and need to go kill people" class, but that doesn't make them overpowered by any means.
I don't know why, but it seems like 90% of the time when I die and look up to see who killed me, it was a demoman.
God damn demomen!
Demo is my "hmm, I need to try something new, let's see how this demo class works". Then I proceed to get absolutely no kills for ten solid minutes. Scouts bounce around me and laugh while I die, medics jump my pipes like they're in a decathlon, and engineers somehow repair through my lob spam.
Granted I'm pretty terrible in general with any class, but the demoman is something special. I'm not even useful as a bullet sponge at that point because I'm standing in the back row away from the action.
edit: only to be greeted by a 'This game is not available at this time'.
Time for some nappage.
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Because all they have to do is spam their stickies into a crowed then they can wipe an entire area clean with a mouse click.
Fuck Demomen, right in the eye.
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No one cares what you think. Demomen are overpowered.
I wouldn't recommend that a medic stick with me, either, because they'll just find themselves surrounded by a group of enemy players and I'll probably be already dead!
I played a game or two, but for the most part it seemed like I was either pushing a cart around, or stopping a cart from being pushed around.
This normal?