no, they changed him to make him a TRUE HERO and give him an awesome robot upgrade as well, it really worked.
Akito had no real passion in the movie, he was basically a robot doing what was vaguely the right thing. Gai would have been sad to see his friend in that state, he may have had the skills, but he didn't have the fire that would make a true giant robot pilot great.
Which is funny because lesbians are scarce this season. You've got Ga-Rei which I didn't bother to watch because like Blue Drop it's a terrible show with a lesbian tease; Candy Boy, which comes out once every two months and may not even count; and Penguin Musume Heart, which is . . . yeah, don't watch it unless you really really miss Lucky Star.
But we're talking about it in the context of feminism, so nothing sexy to see here.:P
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OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Shrimpy. For the love of god. Just go back to /m/.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
I am sorry that I clash so much with you guys, but, do I really piss you guys off with what I think that much? can someone please explain to me what makes me such a hard person to talk to?
Shrimpy. For the love of god. Just go back to /m/.
They're not going to want me around much more than you guys do. I got banned there once just for simply not liking Gundam 00.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
It's a really great show. It's got a fantasy edge to it, but really it's all about the characters and how they grow and develop their relationships. Not to say that the world they inhabit is generic. They do a really good job of making you feel like this is a living, breathing world with little details. Also, the animation is fantastic.
Which is funny because lesbians are scarce this season. You've got Ga-Rei which I didn't bother to watch because like Blue Drop it's a terrible show with a lesbian tease; Candy Boy, which comes out once every two months and may not even count; and Penguin Musume Heart, which is . . . yeah, don't watch it unless you really really miss Lucky Star.
But we're talking about it in the context of feminism, so nothing sexy to see here.:P
Damn it
I get my hopes up and all they get is dashed upon the jagged rocks of feminism
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
Cool. Is it even on AS anymore? I haven't bothered to tune in.
A lot of Josei work has been trending more and more feminist. Kimi wa Pet and Hataraki-man both deal with the conflicting expectations of working professional women. Kimi was Pet has a drama, Hataraki-man has both a drama and anime (not very good). Erika Sakurazawa's entire work mostly features young professional women and the shitty heterosexual relationships they trap themselves with.
Huh, so that's where that art is from. Girl I dated used to send me a lot of images from that for some reason I never found out.
Yuri work generally splits into school girl fluff and stuff that are more josei and "feminist", with seminal works like Maria-sama ga Miteru straddling the two. Yamaji Ebine is probably my favourite "mature yuri" author, and her work reflects a more bohemian free-love lifestyle. The best of school girl fluff is written by Takako Shimamura, who has a sensitivity to gender issues but presents it in an adorable slice-of-life manner, especially in Hourou Musuko (Gender Dysphoria) and oi HanaAoi Hana (well done school girl yuri). Anime works like Shoujo Kakumei Utena and Simoun aren't yuri per se, but do provide an interesting look at gender dynamics.
Are any of those in the non-sexual, non-school children genre? :P I am somewhat familiar with Utena.
Regardless Japan is still rather regressive in this area. I find popular female author Yu Watase's works to be terribly insulting and infantilizing. It's also the reason why I am automatically weary of any VN based anime. A lot of yuri work are also very anti-femist, or at least are shallow to the point of ridicule: I hold special disdain for Strawberry Panic and Kannazuki no Miko for being mind-numbingly stupid but especially popular. Yes I am kind of an elitist.
For the most part any sort of relationship I see depicted in Manga or Anime ends up ticking me off. It's actually one of the things that led me to sticking to some Amerimanga I've run across - tends to have a lot of fan service too, but it's for both sexes and the women are often muscular and compotent.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
Cool. Is it even on AS anymore? I haven't bothered to tune in.
It's been moved to the 5:30 AM deathslot, because the new program director hates anime.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
Cool. Is it even on AS anymore? I haven't bothered to tune in.
It's been moved to the 5:30 AM deathslot, because the new program director hates anime.
Time Title
11:00 Robot Chicken (two episodes)
11:30 Aqua Teen Hunger Force (two episodes)
12:00 Boondocks
12:30 Boondocks
01:00 Bleach
01:30 Moribito - Guardian of the Spirit
02:00 Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2
02:30 Shin-chan
03:00 FLCL
03:30 Death Note
04:00 Ghost in the Shell
04:30 Cowboy Bebop
05:00 The Big O
05:30 Inuyasha
Incen, you have to check out Moribito. It has a relationship that can't possibly annoy you, and a protagonist who is, simply, an utterly competent woman.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Man if you switched FLCL with Death Note you've have two solid hours of great programming
Too bad it's on at such an incredibly terrible time
Which is funny because lesbians are scarce this season. You've got Ga-Rei which I didn't bother to watch because like Blue Drop it's a terrible show with a lesbian tease; Candy Boy, which comes out once every two months and may not even count; and Penguin Musume Heart, which is . . . yeah, don't watch it unless you really really miss Lucky Star.
But we're talking about it in the context of feminism, so nothing sexy to see here.:P
I wouldn't really link Penguin to Lucky Star too much other than the memes/nico nico stuff/otaku-ish things.
Other than what you've stated above, only other potential lesbian I know of this season is in Kemeko DX. She seems more like a bisexual to me though. I guess ef has one too if you want to stretch it.
I can't really think of any particularly feminist focused manga that I've read. Something like Solanin might be close but feminism isn't really its focus. Speaking of Inio Asano, I think I'm going to have to read Nijigahara Holograph a few times to really try to take it all in.
A lot of Josei work has been trending more and more feminist. Kimi wa Pet and Hataraki-man both deal with the conflicting expectations of working professional women. Kimi was Pet has a drama, Hataraki-man has both a drama and anime (not very good). Erika Sakurazawa's entire work mostly features young professional women and the shitty heterosexual relationships they trap themselves with.
Huh, so that's where that art is from. Girl I dated used to send me a lot of images from that for some reason I never found out.
Yuri work generally splits into school girl fluff and stuff that are more josei and "feminist", with seminal works like Maria-sama ga Miteru straddling the two. Yamaji Ebine is probably my favourite "mature yuri" author, and her work reflects a more bohemian free-love lifestyle. The best of school girl fluff is written by Takako Shimamura, who has a sensitivity to gender issues but presents it in an adorable slice-of-life manner, especially in Hourou Musuko (Gender Dysphoria) and oi HanaAoi Hana (well done school girl yuri). Anime works like Shoujo Kakumei Utena and Simoun aren't yuri per se, but do provide an interesting look at gender dynamics.
Are any of those in the non-sexual, non-school children genre? :P I am somewhat familiar with Utena.
If you're looking at anime there's not much to choose from. Simoun's cast are girls aged 17-21 but does take place in a mono-gendered theocracy with the ability to change sexes. Mnemosyne features a really sexy and mature protagonist, but the show itself is bad.
For manga I can't recommend Yamaji Ebine's works like Free Soul and Love My Life enough since her protagonists are college-aged and older. Erika Sakurazawa also does some yuri work that's spliced into her short stories. Hourou Musuko is great even though it features school children because while it's not sexual it does deal with issues of gender identity.
Regardless Japan is still rather regressive in this area. I find popular female author Yu Watase's works to be terribly insulting and infantilizing. It's also the reason why I am automatically weary of any VN based anime. A lot of yuri work are also very anti-femist, or at least are shallow to the point of ridicule: I hold special disdain for Strawberry Panic and Kannazuki no Miko for being mind-numbingly stupid but especially popular. Yes I am kind of an elitist.
For the most part any sort of relationship I see depicted in Manga or Anime ends up ticking me off. It's actually one of the things that led me to sticking to some Amerimanga I've run across - tends to have a lot of fan service too, but it's for both sexes and the women are often muscular and compotent.
Are you familar with Fumiko Enchi at all?
I've never heard of her.
One of my problems with most relationships in manga or anime is the disparate power imbalance in the relationship. Shoujo manga is more guilty of this. Usually it's the girl and she's dependent or hopeless or situated in such a way that there is just no growth to the character or to the relationship. Two wonderful exceptions are Arima and Yukino from KareKano and Rei and Kira from Mars. Those are great relationships because they are mutually supporting and inter-dependent (although Arima becomes a bit dependent on Yukino in KareKano). Yuri shows have a greater chance, even more so than Yaoi, of achieving that type of relationship, though shows like Strawberry Panic slip into the typical dominant/submissive relationship that I dislike about yaoi.
OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Gunbuster! Rampant boobage aside, it does have a strong female lead that comes into her own when push comes to shove!
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I'm half joking don't hurt meee
(damn. How do some of still manage to do the miroscopic text? I'm failing pretty hard here. I still haven't figured out how the new forums do it.)
I think it's odd how talking about feminism in manga and anime apparently involves talking about lesbians
I guess this is one of those "oh Japan" type scenarios
I think it's more of a Bad Kitty scenario.
I think in my whole life I've read or watched about 3 or 4 fictions which had sex or romantic wish-fulfilment as the main point which weren't trite and shallow.
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
Cool. Is it even on AS anymore? I haven't bothered to tune in.
It's been moved to the 5:30 AM deathslot, because the new program director hates anime.
Time Title
11:00 Robot Chicken (two episodes)
11:30 Aqua Teen Hunger Force (two episodes)
12:00 Boondocks
12:30 Boondocks
01:00 Bleach
01:30 Moribito - Guardian of the Spirit
02:00 Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2
02:30 Shin-chan
03:00 FLCL
03:30 Death Note
04:00 Ghost in the Shell
04:30 Cowboy Bebop
05:00 The Big O
05:30 Inuyasha
* All times are Eastern/Pacific Time
That is one hell of a schedule.
When Inuyasha is the worst show on there you know you're doing good.
Out of curiosity, do you read/watch exclusively manga that doesn't have even the slightest hint of sexism?
That must pare down your options to quite a small number of manga/shows.
Not saying you're missing out on much, but still. :P
I watch anime to have fun and for entertainment. Applying a feminist critique to every thing would leave me a bitter, angry person and no different from feminazis like Andrea Dworkin. Then I'm no longer having fun or being entertained. It's silly to keep watching something you don't enjoy.
What bothers me are some of the real egregious sexism, the kind that truly objectifies people. I'm not completely opposed to fanservice since I like it when women are both sexy and sexual and I just ignore the rest. I can tolerate a lot, really. There are times when it becomes impossible to ignore or the fanservice just becomes lewd and not sexy. It's a case-by-case basis on context.
For example, I love Macross Frontier overall and Sheryl is my favourite character. She's sexy, brash, confident, and mature. However the show started to really piss me off when instead of presenting how sexy Sheryl was during her concert, it simply focused on her groin or her breasts for more time than was necessary. That didn't stop me watching the show, but it sure did irk me. Similarly, my much loved Macross 7 has an episode called Fleet of the Strongest Women that was the most sexist thing I've seen in Macross that I had to stop watching for a bit.
Aroduc made a great point a while back that even though he got shit for watching Penguin Musume Heart for all the panty shots, it was less disturbing than all the crotch and groin shots that people were enjoying in Code Geass. I'm inclined to agree. Presentation and context matter and can affect how two similar things can have different effects.
Err...this really started as a critique on a pedophillic show and how it distorts sexuality. It's easy to segue into similar distortions. God, I hope I don't turn into another Erica Friedman.
Hah, I just realized that not wanting anything sexist in any of my shows would turn me into ClawShrimpy. That kind of sanitation just doesn't seem healthy, does it?
Hah, I just realized that not wanting anything sexist in any of my shows would turn me into ClawShrimpy. That kind of sanitation just doesn't seem healthy, does it?
No, because I would say avoiding sexism isn't a bad thing.
Hah, I just realized that not wanting anything sexist in any of my shows would turn me into ClawShrimpy. That kind of sanitation just doesn't seem healthy, does it?
Anything that turns you into Clawshrimpy is a bad thing I would say
BK: I'm mostly interested in manga anyways. Anime is too expensive for what usually proves to be poorer content. Also I can't browse through it at Borders. :P
Free Soul looks interesting... Love of My Life sounds incredibly cheesy though, after reading the spoiled ending. :P
Personally I'm not especially attracted to yuri/yaoi kind of stuff. I'm not averse to it, but it's not something I have enough personal experience with to put into full context. That and, as you suggested, they tend to just turn into the typical masculine/feminine thing but with matching genitals.
As for Fumiko Enchi, she's one of the more important Japanese feminists ever. I highly reccomend Masks.
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Sexism in a show is fine if the characters are sexist. When the author and thus the whole narrative is sexist then it tends to be horrible and creepy.
Hah, I just realized that not wanting anything sexist in any of my shows would turn me into ClawShrimpy. That kind of sanitation just doesn't seem healthy, does it?
No, because I would say avoiding sexism isn't a bad thing.
That was phrased wrong. It was supposed to be "anything having to do with sex".
Hah, I just realized that not wanting anything sexist in any of my shows would turn me into ClawShrimpy. That kind of sanitation just doesn't seem healthy, does it?
No, because I would say avoiding sexism isn't a bad thing.
That was phrased wrong. It was supposed to be "anything having to do with sex".
I still don't get why you guys were giving him such a hard time for not being interested in sexuality, as I was under the impression that him not procreating was kind of our goal. I mean, weren't you guys going to reimburse me for the hacksaw?
Besides,with his fixation on action, it's obvious that he likes guro. Now all I have to figure out is why I know that term.
Look, he can't wrap his head around the fact that not everyone has as severe Asperger's as he does and therefore is obsessive about specific minutiae that a normal viewer would consider but a small part of the whole whereas cannot help but consider a vital aspect that makes or breaks something for him.
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Which is funny because lesbians are scarce this season. You've got Ga-Rei which I didn't bother to watch because like Blue Drop it's a terrible show with a lesbian tease; Candy Boy, which comes out once every two months and may not even count; and Penguin Musume Heart, which is . . . yeah, don't watch it unless you really really miss Lucky Star.
But we're talking about it in the context of feminism, so nothing sexy to see here.:P
On a side note, Mirobito is actually good? Eh, I guess I haven't been paying very much attention to it when it first got on Adult Swim. It looked pretty generic at first glance and didn't seem to get promoted very much. I should give it another shot.
They're not going to want me around much more than you guys do. I got banned there once just for simply not liking Gundam 00.
Yeah, it is really pretty good. Fairly strong fantasy elements, but the characters are pretty decent and they even develop, even some of the fairly minor ones are pretty round.
It's a really great show. It's got a fantasy edge to it, but really it's all about the characters and how they grow and develop their relationships. Not to say that the world they inhabit is generic. They do a really good job of making you feel like this is a living, breathing world with little details. Also, the animation is fantastic.
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e- oops. I mean this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTXMuD_rs80
please watch up to 00:30 before deciding to quit or keep going
Damn it
I get my hopes up and all they get is dashed upon the jagged rocks of feminism
Story of my life, really
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Cool. Is it even on AS anymore? I haven't bothered to tune in.
Huh, so that's where that art is from. Girl I dated used to send me a lot of images from that for some reason I never found out.
Are any of those in the non-sexual, non-school children genre? :P I am somewhat familiar with Utena.
For the most part any sort of relationship I see depicted in Manga or Anime ends up ticking me off. It's actually one of the things that led me to sticking to some Amerimanga I've run across - tends to have a lot of fan service too, but it's for both sexes and the women are often muscular and compotent.
Are you familar with Fumiko Enchi at all?
It's been moved to the 5:30 AM deathslot, because the new program director hates anime.
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They have updated the schedule:
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Too bad it's on at such an incredibly terrible time
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This movie is going to be so awesomely terrible.
what
Other than what you've stated above, only other potential lesbian I know of this season is in Kemeko DX. She seems more like a bisexual to me though. I guess ef has one too if you want to stretch it.
I can't really think of any particularly feminist focused manga that I've read. Something like Solanin might be close but feminism isn't really its focus. Speaking of Inio Asano, I think I'm going to have to read Nijigahara Holograph a few times to really try to take it all in.
If you're looking at anime there's not much to choose from. Simoun's cast are girls aged 17-21 but does take place in a mono-gendered theocracy with the ability to change sexes. Mnemosyne features a really sexy and mature protagonist, but the show itself is bad.
For manga I can't recommend Yamaji Ebine's works like Free Soul and Love My Life enough since her protagonists are college-aged and older. Erika Sakurazawa also does some yuri work that's spliced into her short stories. Hourou Musuko is great even though it features school children because while it's not sexual it does deal with issues of gender identity.
I've never heard of her.
One of my problems with most relationships in manga or anime is the disparate power imbalance in the relationship. Shoujo manga is more guilty of this. Usually it's the girl and she's dependent or hopeless or situated in such a way that there is just no growth to the character or to the relationship. Two wonderful exceptions are Arima and Yukino from KareKano and Rei and Kira from Mars. Those are great relationships because they are mutually supporting and inter-dependent (although Arima becomes a bit dependent on Yukino in KareKano). Yuri shows have a greater chance, even more so than Yaoi, of achieving that type of relationship, though shows like Strawberry Panic slip into the typical dominant/submissive relationship that I dislike about yaoi.
That must pare down your options to quite a small number of manga/shows.
Not saying you're missing out on much, but still. :P
I guess this is one of those "oh Japan" type scenarios
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.....:D
I'm half joking don't hurt meee
(damn. How do some of still manage to do the miroscopic text? I'm failing pretty hard here. I still haven't figured out how the new forums do it.)
First ep was last week. They are running the first three eps then doing reruns of CG season 1. Odd, I know.
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I think it's more of a Bad Kitty scenario.
I think in my whole life I've read or watched about 3 or 4 fictions which had sex or romantic wish-fulfilment as the main point which weren't trite and shallow.
That is one hell of a schedule.
When Inuyasha is the worst show on there you know you're doing good.
No. It only recently got greenlit for a third season.
I watch anime to have fun and for entertainment. Applying a feminist critique to every thing would leave me a bitter, angry person and no different from feminazis like Andrea Dworkin. Then I'm no longer having fun or being entertained. It's silly to keep watching something you don't enjoy.
What bothers me are some of the real egregious sexism, the kind that truly objectifies people. I'm not completely opposed to fanservice since I like it when women are both sexy and sexual and I just ignore the rest. I can tolerate a lot, really. There are times when it becomes impossible to ignore or the fanservice just becomes lewd and not sexy. It's a case-by-case basis on context.
For example, I love Macross Frontier overall and Sheryl is my favourite character. She's sexy, brash, confident, and mature. However the show started to really piss me off when instead of presenting how sexy Sheryl was during her concert, it simply focused on her groin or her breasts for more time than was necessary. That didn't stop me watching the show, but it sure did irk me. Similarly, my much loved Macross 7 has an episode called Fleet of the Strongest Women that was the most sexist thing I've seen in Macross that I had to stop watching for a bit.
Aroduc made a great point a while back that even though he got shit for watching Penguin Musume Heart for all the panty shots, it was less disturbing than all the crotch and groin shots that people were enjoying in Code Geass. I'm inclined to agree. Presentation and context matter and can affect how two similar things can have different effects.
Err...this really started as a critique on a pedophillic show and how it distorts sexuality. It's easy to segue into similar distortions. God, I hope I don't turn into another Erica Friedman.
No, because I would say avoiding sexism isn't a bad thing.
Anything that turns you into Clawshrimpy is a bad thing I would say
Even Clawshrimpy doesn't like Clawshrimpy
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BK: I'm mostly interested in manga anyways. Anime is too expensive for what usually proves to be poorer content. Also I can't browse through it at Borders. :P
Free Soul looks interesting... Love of My Life sounds incredibly cheesy though, after reading the spoiled ending. :P
Personally I'm not especially attracted to yuri/yaoi kind of stuff. I'm not averse to it, but it's not something I have enough personal experience with to put into full context. That and, as you suggested, they tend to just turn into the typical masculine/feminine thing but with matching genitals.
As for Fumiko Enchi, she's one of the more important Japanese feminists ever. I highly reccomend Masks.
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Sexism in a show is fine if the characters are sexist. When the author and thus the whole narrative is sexist then it tends to be horrible and creepy.
That was phrased wrong. It was supposed to be "anything having to do with sex".
I still don't get why you guys were giving him such a hard time for not being interested in sexuality, as I was under the impression that him not procreating was kind of our goal. I mean, weren't you guys going to reimburse me for the hacksaw?
Besides,with his fixation on action, it's obvious that he likes guro. Now all I have to figure out is why I know that term.
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