I'm concerned. I hopped into WoW after TBC came out, so I wasn't in Outlands with the rest of the rush. For those that were, how much of a pain in the ass was it trying to quest with half a million others? I just got my priest alt to 60 and took him to Outlands. In HFP, I was doing the quest to kill a bunch of Voidwalkers and there was 1 other person out there doing the same. Took for friggen ever, with just the two of us. I hate waiting for shit to respawn.
Is this going to be a concern when WotLK hits? Every 70 in the game, all hanging out in the same zone, trying to do the same quests... This doesn't sound fun. I had a similar hatred for IQD when that opened.
I'm thinking I'm going to want to wait a month or two before I head to Northrend with my 70 Rogue.
Somewhat related question: will the 3.0 patch be the one the speeds up leveling 60-70, or is that waiting for WotLK proper to drop? Basically, I'm just wondering if I'm wasting my time leveling my 60 priest now when I could be working on my 51 pally (or grinding out cash doing dailies).
The exp from 60-70 is dropping next patch, and yes it is a gigantic pain in the fucking ass to level with all the other people unless you're doing 5 mans.
I'm concerned. I hopped into WoW after TBC came out, so I wasn't in Outlands with the rest of the rush. For those that were, how much of a pain in the ass was it trying to quest with half a million others? I just got my priest alt to 60 and took him to Outlands. In HFP, I was doing the quest to kill a bunch of Voidwalkers and there was 1 other person out there doing the same. Took for friggen ever, with just the two of us. I hate waiting for shit to respawn.
Is this going to be a concern when WotLK hits? Every 70 in the game, all hanging out in the same zone, trying to do the same quests... This doesn't sound fun. I had a similar hatred for IQD when that opened.
I'm thinking I'm going to want to wait a month or two before I head to Northrend with my 70 Rogue.
Somewhat related question: will the 3.0 patch be the one the speeds up leveling 60-70, or is that waiting for WotLK proper to drop? Basically, I'm just wondering if I'm wasting my time leveling my 60 priest now when I could be working on my 51 pally (or grinding out cash doing dailies).
BC really wasn't that bad, random people grouping for quests as well as having a good chunk of your guildies on the same quest is pretty fun.
Well, the two starting zones in WotLK will mitigate things a bit but yeah, early days are gonna suck and what are you gonna do? Nuthin'.
3.0 will speed up your 60-70 levelling.
And in response to earlier stuff - the room in BRD with the infinitely-respawning dwarves can go fuck itself. We just did it with two 70s and two 55s last night and it was wicked hard. I can't imagine how stupid that would be with 5 55s.
Wicked hard with 2 70s, are you kidding me? I duod it many, many times at 60 with Warrior/Paladin for Hand of Justice. This was before all the much better talents people have now too.
RE: Leveling during The Rush. Went both ways on my server. It was a piece of cake to do all the group quests, because there was an abundance of people grouping up to do them. Same with the "kill x stuff" quests, again most people on my server would see you coming to the mobs and send you an immediate invite. "Better than fighting over spawns." I was in Nagrand when The Rush started outpacing me, but even then things like Durn and the Nesingwary quests were much easier to get groups for than it was when my durid recently went through (I ended up giving up on Durn).
Now, the "collect X random drops" quests were a pain. The rush was still going on when I got to Zangamarsh & Terokkar, both of which are lousy with this type of quest. Grouping up doesn't help for these, and people were merciless jumping spawns.
Yeah, that big Orcy fortress in Hellfire was a piece of cake(quests completed relatively quickly even with all the people) at release, and now, patrols and respawns fuck me over all the time.
Yes. Overall, levelling during the BC launch was a very fun experience
Groups for group quests were almost instantly formed, mob respawn wasn't a problem because fuckers kept respawning like crazy due to spawn times adjusting to the higher kill rates, instance groups on every level were easy to be found and fun even IF you failed hard, just because it was new and cool and awesome, and no one bitched about you too much when you didn't know what that mob does, because no one really knew (beta people of course)
On a completely different note, I somehow find it really entertaining to read WAR threads, because I imagine them in WoW speak, so many people bitching about lowie balance
And I imagine how jaded all of them will become once they're addicts
Some of the most fun I've had recently in WoW was figuring out magister's terrace; figuring out how Vexallus worked on heroic mode (having just bruteforced it on normal) was a good time.
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
c) Things change, and all of a sudden the profession that gave you cool stuff before doesn't anymore. Like, say, all the people that leveled leatherworking for drums, and now that's gonna be 1/4 as valuable. Or maybe in WotLK the engineering helm won't suck for hunters.
Honestly, I doubt many/any of those people are surprised that LW is now useless for them. The only reason they leveled LW was for drums for Sunwell. Although any class can level up any profession in WoW, there is a general logic to which ones are going to benefit which classes. Casters that only wear cloth shouldn't expect to get much out of LW, just like tanks who wear plate shouldn't expect much out of tailoring. But either way, like I said, most people who leveled LW for drums knew they were leveling it for one specific item that they knew would likely be nerfed any day. They're kinda lucky it lasted until WLK.
So I just went to BRD to get some dark iron ale to get a jubjub pet from the faire (shanker did not drop ).
I also did the worg pup/spiderling LBRS quests since I never got groups for them originally. It made me quite nostalgic, I kind of wish they'd design more of those sprawling isntances that could be split up into 2 or 3 different 'runs'.
Blackrock mountain really feels like the home and fortress of the people that live there. It's a really magnificant place, all the BC instances are stupid little huts in comparison, you can't imagine any of them really functioning as strongholds.
This. It's why I love BRD (besides all the little tricks to find bosses). It's a fucking CITY INSIDE A MOUNTAIN. There are different types of people there. Not just soldiers but people doing things, like the arena spectators, or the bar patrons. The bar itself is just so awesome. A bar in an instance! Meanwhile most instances in BC are just so boring and linear, layout-wise. And I haven't done many instances in beta but I get the impression taht they went even further in that direction, making them not only linear but shorter. Sigh. I guess if it's going to be dull at least we'll be able to get it over with quickly.
Yeah, that big Orcy fortress in Hellfire was a piece of cake(quests completed relatively quickly even with all the people) at release, and now, patrols and respawns fuck me over all the time.
Yeah, when we were in the middle of our leatherworking before Brutallus, I remember "hay guyz wat if LW gets nerfed this week?" being a recurring point of discussion.
And yeah, I would really like them to apply the lessons they've obviously learned about pacing and execution of instances and slap some more creative flavor stuff onto it. The BRM instances from BRD to BWL are pretty unmatched in the game in terms of scope and atmosphere, and it makes me wonder why they haven't done anything like it since.
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Well, the two starting zones in WotLK will mitigate things a bit but yeah, early days are gonna suck and what are you gonna do? Nuthin'.
3.0 will speed up your 60-70 levelling.
And in response to earlier stuff - the room in BRD with the infinitely-respawning dwarves can go fuck itself. We just did it with two 70s and two 55s last night and it was wicked hard. I can't imagine how stupid that would be with 5 55s.
That room is basically a "how retarded are you" test... we used to have no problem with 5 upper 50's that knew what they were doing (and if you had 2 mages it was stupidly easy), but if you have one laggy/idiotic person that can't follow you forward and keeps agroing spawned packs behind you it's nearly impossible
c) Things change, and all of a sudden the profession that gave you cool stuff before doesn't anymore. Like, say, all the people that leveled leatherworking for drums, and now that's gonna be 1/4 as valuable. Or maybe in WotLK the engineering helm won't suck for hunters.
Honestly, I doubt many/any of those people are surprised that LW is now useless for them. The only reason they leveled LW was for drums for Sunwell. Although any class can level up any profession in WoW, there is a general logic to which ones are going to benefit which classes. Casters that only wear cloth shouldn't expect to get much out of LW, just like tanks who wear plate shouldn't expect much out of tailoring. But either way, like I said, most people who leveled LW for drums knew they were leveling it for one specific item that they knew would likely be nerfed any day. They're kinda lucky it lasted until WLK.
So I just went to BRD to get some dark iron ale to get a jubjub pet from the faire (shanker did not drop ).
I also did the worg pup/spiderling LBRS quests since I never got groups for them originally. It made me quite nostalgic, I kind of wish they'd design more of those sprawling isntances that could be split up into 2 or 3 different 'runs'.
Blackrock mountain really feels like the home and fortress of the people that live there. It's a really magnificant place, all the BC instances are stupid little huts in comparison, you can't imagine any of them really functioning as strongholds.
This. It's why I love BRD (besides all the little tricks to find bosses). It's a fucking CITY INSIDE A MOUNTAIN. There are different types of people there. Not just soldiers but people doing things, like the arena spectators, or the bar patrons. The bar itself is just so awesome. A bar in an instance! Meanwhile most instances in BC are just so boring and linear, layout-wise. And I haven't done many instances in beta but I get the impression taht they went even further in that direction, making them not only linear but shorter. Sigh. I guess if it's going to be dull at least we'll be able to get it over with quickly.
Yeah, that big Orcy fortress in Hellfire was a piece of cake(quests completed relatively quickly even with all the people) at release, and now, patrols and respawns fuck me over all the time.
ZETH'GOR! *shakes fist* What an abomination.
As little trouble I had in Zeth'Gor as a Ret Pally, I shudder to think of how much easier it'd have been if I was Prot.
"Oh shit you pulled 90 guys!"
"I know, but I couldn't find anymore!"
Honestly there's so much awesome, random, quirky shit going on in Dalaran, it's obvious that someone on that dev team still cares about things like that. They just need to sneak over to the instance devs' table at lunch and chat.
Edit: Ugh, no no no, Zeth'gor was hell on my prot pally, even more so than my druid. Druid wasn't too bad because at least I could kill things, but the majority of mobs in Zeth'gor are casters. HELL.
Everything was easy on my warlock. I sometimes had to get a little help for 3-man quests though
Heh, I remember when every "group" quest began with me thinking "I wonder if I can fear this guy," and proceeded from there to "I wonder if CoX works on this guy."
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Honestly there's so much awesome, random, quirky shit going on in Dalaran, it's obvious that someone on that dev team still cares about things like that. They just need to sneak over to the instance devs' table at lunch and chat.
Edit: Ugh, no no no, Zeth'gor was hell on my prot pally, even more so than my druid. Druid wasn't too bad because at least I could kill things, but the majority of mobs in Zeth'gor are casters. HELL.
I don't see how it would not be hell for anyone. Eyes all over the place drawing enemy aggro, skellies galore pounding away at your cast bar, nukes flying all over, and most importantly, other players running by you to escape their own doom, while you cast something aoe-based that was only supposed to hit your target.
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I don't think it was a big deal on launch day because everyone was grouping up for stuff. But when you went back to it solo it had it's problems. My warrior, druid, and paladin all had some sort of trouble there.
Some of the stuff there is just packed so dense, and when they run away...
The Grim Guzzler is the best part of any instance they've made.
I noticed it has an arena vendor now. Why would a level 70 arena rewards vendor in a 45 instance?
Because it's awesome.
The WoW band (can't remember their name, don't care) also plays there apparently. They've added some cool stuff to that bar so now I have a reason to use my remote.
See they need more of that sort of thing in instances. Blackrock Mountain is just awesome, it's what, 5 instances in there? And you can move between a couple of them inside the instance, that's what I really like.
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The Grim Guzzler is the best part of any instance they've made.
I noticed it has an arena vendor now. Why would a level 70 arena rewards vendor in a 45 instance?
Because it's awesome.
The WoW band (can't remember their name, don't care) also plays there apparently. They've added some cool stuff to that bar so now I have a reason to use my remote.
Honestly there's so much awesome, random, quirky shit going on in Dalaran, it's obvious that someone on that dev team still cares about things like that. They just need to sneak over to the instance devs' table at lunch and chat.
Have you seen the discarded potions laying around in the sewer area? PURE WIN.
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the fountain in dalaran where you fish at is awesome
copper, silver and gold coins from various famous people in the lore, making wishes. my favourite is arugal's
"I wish someday to retire to my own tidy little estate, with a bunch of pet dogs to keep me company."
and if you collect em all (there's a bunch), you get a special gold coin you can make your character emote a flip with, and it comes up heads or tails.
Yes, it will be 1000g when it goes live. It was originally part of a quest line but we found that it wasn't intuitive where to get it. We also tuned the cost around the amount of gold you will have accrued by level 77. Unless you're spending excessive money on the AH as you level up, you will have more than enough gold to afford the cost.
I'd heard the 1000g version had appeared on a trainer, I wasn't aware the quest had been canned.
If there isn't going to be a big money sink in wotlk, I wonder what this means for the economy. Seems like there's nothing to really spend money on aside from the occasional new gem, glyph or enchant.
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levelling professions is always a money sink. There's also the 20K g tundra mammoth mount (seats three, comes with repair & reagent vendor).
But yeah, if you're double-gathering and selling, you'll have a lot more gold then the mere 1000. That's just from questing and vendoring crap, I think.
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Yes, it will be 1000g when it goes live. It was originally part of a quest line but we found that it wasn't intuitive where to get it. We also tuned the cost around the amount of gold you will have accrued by level 77. Unless you're spending excessive money on the AH as you level up, you will have more than enough gold to afford the cost.
I'd heard the 1000g version had appeared on a trainer, I wasn't aware the quest had been canned.
Yeah, I read about that. Pretty stupid, really. It's not even the cost that bothers me, 1000g is piss easy to make, it's just that a quest centered around "training" you to fly in cold temperatures makes more sense to me than just "here, pay me to train you". And in terms of practicality, you're paying for a fairly intangible benefit: each riding rank you paid for in the past you saw a significant change. From "hey I can go 60% faster on land" to "super land speed go" to "rad, I can fly" to "zooooooooom! wheeeeeeee!". This is just "here, now you can do what you paid out the ass to do before".
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We called it the "Depression Room"
God I hated that fucking room.
The exp from 60-70 is dropping next patch, and yes it is a gigantic pain in the fucking ass to level with all the other people unless you're doing 5 mans.
BC really wasn't that bad, random people grouping for quests as well as having a good chunk of your guildies on the same quest is pretty fun.
3.0 should have the faster 60-70 exp.
3.0 will speed up your 60-70 levelling.
And in response to earlier stuff - the room in BRD with the infinitely-respawning dwarves can go fuck itself. We just did it with two 70s and two 55s last night and it was wicked hard. I can't imagine how stupid that would be with 5 55s.
You bastard.
Also Bloodlord's Defender in my guild's very first night in ZG
Yeah, me too. Huge instances are nice, but make them winged please
Now, the "collect X random drops" quests were a pain. The rush was still going on when I got to Zangamarsh & Terokkar, both of which are lousy with this type of quest. Grouping up doesn't help for these, and people were merciless jumping spawns.
Groups for group quests were almost instantly formed, mob respawn wasn't a problem because fuckers kept respawning like crazy due to spawn times adjusting to the higher kill rates, instance groups on every level were easy to be found and fun even IF you failed hard, just because it was new and cool and awesome, and no one bitched about you too much when you didn't know what that mob does, because no one really knew (beta people of course)
You should absolutely do it in wotlk
And I imagine how jaded all of them will become once they're addicts
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Honestly, I doubt many/any of those people are surprised that LW is now useless for them. The only reason they leveled LW was for drums for Sunwell. Although any class can level up any profession in WoW, there is a general logic to which ones are going to benefit which classes. Casters that only wear cloth shouldn't expect to get much out of LW, just like tanks who wear plate shouldn't expect much out of tailoring. But either way, like I said, most people who leveled LW for drums knew they were leveling it for one specific item that they knew would likely be nerfed any day. They're kinda lucky it lasted until WLK.
This. It's why I love BRD (besides all the little tricks to find bosses). It's a fucking CITY INSIDE A MOUNTAIN. There are different types of people there. Not just soldiers but people doing things, like the arena spectators, or the bar patrons. The bar itself is just so awesome. A bar in an instance! Meanwhile most instances in BC are just so boring and linear, layout-wise. And I haven't done many instances in beta but I get the impression taht they went even further in that direction, making them not only linear but shorter. Sigh. I guess if it's going to be dull at least we'll be able to get it over with quickly.
Edit:
ZETH'GOR! *shakes fist* What an abomination.
And yeah, I would really like them to apply the lessons they've obviously learned about pacing and execution of instances and slap some more creative flavor stuff onto it. The BRM instances from BRD to BWL are pretty unmatched in the game in terms of scope and atmosphere, and it makes me wonder why they haven't done anything like it since.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
That room is basically a "how retarded are you" test... we used to have no problem with 5 upper 50's that knew what they were doing (and if you had 2 mages it was stupidly easy), but if you have one laggy/idiotic person that can't follow you forward and keeps agroing spawned packs behind you it's nearly impossible
"Oh shit you pulled 90 guys!"
"I know, but I couldn't find anymore!"
Edit: Ugh, no no no, Zeth'gor was hell on my prot pally, even more so than my druid. Druid wasn't too bad because at least I could kill things, but the majority of mobs in Zeth'gor are casters. HELL.
Heh, I remember when every "group" quest began with me thinking "I wonder if I can fear this guy," and proceeded from there to "I wonder if CoX works on this guy."
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I don't see how it would not be hell for anyone. Eyes all over the place drawing enemy aggro, skellies galore pounding away at your cast bar, nukes flying all over, and most importantly, other players running by you to escape their own doom, while you cast something aoe-based that was only supposed to hit your target.
On all my other characters it was hell.
Second time with the paladin though sucked. "I was 50 fucking yards away from that guy, why the HELL did he just make a beeline right towards me?"
Only then did I clue in on that damn debuff the eye gives you when you do the quest to collect it.
Some of the stuff there is just packed so dense, and when they run away...
I noticed it has an arena vendor now. Why would a level 70 arena rewards vendor in a 45 instance?
Because it's awesome.
The WoW band (can't remember their name, don't care) also plays there apparently. They've added some cool stuff to that bar so now I have a reason to use my remote.
See they need more of that sort of thing in instances. Blackrock Mountain is just awesome, it's what, 5 instances in there? And you can move between a couple of them inside the instance, that's what I really like.
Level Cap Elite Tauren Chieftans.
Have you seen the discarded potions laying around in the sewer area? PURE WIN.
copper, silver and gold coins from various famous people in the lore, making wishes. my favourite is arugal's
and if you collect em all (there's a bunch), you get a special gold coin you can make your character emote a flip with, and it comes up heads or tails.
I'd heard the 1000g version had appeared on a trainer, I wasn't aware the quest had been canned.
If there isn't going to be a big money sink in wotlk, I wonder what this means for the economy. Seems like there's nothing to really spend money on aside from the occasional new gem, glyph or enchant.
But yeah, if you're double-gathering and selling, you'll have a lot more gold then the mere 1000. That's just from questing and vendoring crap, I think.
Lame.