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After noticing a lump on my beagle yesterday, I took her to the vet and was informed that it was a tumor. He said that I could schedule a surgery to have the tumor removed and to have her spayed to prevent another tumor from forming.
However, my beagle is fifteen years old and will most likely die within the next couple of years anyway. The surgery is scheduled for December, and though the vet said he could try and have it sooner in an emergency, he also said that there is a chance that the tumor could have already spread.
There was a woman with a cat at the vet today, too, and it was yowling in pain. When I asked if the cat was okay, she replied that it was about to be put to sleep.
I don't see the point in prolonging her life if there's a good chance she'll die soon anyway, and I'd rather her not suffer. I don't want to tell my parents this in person, but should I tell them to have my dog euthanized?
There's a lot of factors that have to go into that decision, and unfortunately some of them are kind of cold and heartless.
-how much pain is she in now?
-how much would the surgery cost?
-how likely would it be for the tumor to come back?
-how many more years could she live if you got the surgery?
The decision to euthanize is never clear-cut. There are people out there who pay thousands of dollars for chemo treatments for their pets, which is most likely putting their pet through a lot more pain than is justifiable, just for a chance at a few more years of companionship. My dad's in chemo, and I think it would be cruel to put an animal that has no way to tell you what it is feeling through what he's going though right now.
15 years sounds like a good long time to me, and it seems about right problems would start cropping up now, it's about the time for that. It's only going to get worse too, if it's not the tumor, it'll be something else. Tumor itself is just more or less of a sign that things are about to start rolling downhill, as various organs and general biology enter their final cycles.
We had a similar situation with our cat recently, and basically it comes down to discomfort/pain (at least for us it did). Our cat had cancer, but she was eating well, playing, going outside, catching mice, etc, and continued to for more than a year after we found out. We finally had her put down when she was having trouble keeping food down, but you really just need to keep an eye on her and see how she's doing/feeling and take it from there. I definitely would not have the surgery though, 15 years old is too old for that.
My dog had tumors as well when he was really old, but they didn't really hurt him. We had one removed when he was younger, but now they were all over the place and the vet said that it would be rather costly and dangerous.
We decided to let him live for as long as he had no pain and he could just walk around and eat. Then one day he couldn't get up any more and he was in a lot of pain. We discussed it at home and agreed that this was no fun for the dog and he was really old anyway so a surgery would just mean another month of hardship for the dog for maybe a few weeks before he'd collapse for good.
When we brought him to the vet to put him out of his misery the vet was shocked to see him like this and instantly agreed that he might as well die right now.
(He was 18, which was ancient for a dog, we had expected him to die years earlier. :oops: )
I'm not big on "she's old, might as well kill her" until her quality of life justifies euthanization. When our 13-year-old cat started having trouble going up stairs, we hemmed and hawed about it, then decided to wait and see. That was 5 years ago, and she's still trundling around the house in retirement, bitching everyone out till they pet and fuss over her.
If your beagle's not in pain and can still eat, drink, pee/poop and move about okay, I wouldn't put her to sleep yet; maybe put it off till December, then see if the surgery is still worth it. Sad to say, an old dog probably wouldn't handle it well at all.
So long as the dog is in good shape, what's the problem?
A skin tumor is easy to remove and won't cause the dog much trouble once you do.
We took 7 tumors off our 11 year old boxer a few years back. No problem.
Beagles are notoriously long lived, and if you like the dog you shouldn't have her put down now.
She probably has a lot of good years ahead of her.
If your beagle's not in pain and can still eat, drink, pee/poop and move about okay, I wouldn't put her to sleep yet; maybe put it off till December, then see if the surgery is still worth it. Sad to say, an old dog probably wouldn't handle it well at all.
So long as her heart's in good shape, there is no problem with surgery on an old dog. It takes literally a half hour to remove a skin tumor from a dog, and 20 minutes of that time is inducing anaesthesia. Spaying might be more of a problem, but would be worth it in the long run, since many many MANY dogs end up with uterine infections and cancer in old age.
At least give the old girl a chance.
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So long as the dog is in good shape, what's the problem?
A skin tumor is easy to remove and won't cause the dog much trouble once you do.
We took 7 tumors off our 11 year old boxer a few years back. No problem.
Beagles are notoriously long lived, and if you like the dog you shouldn't have her put down now.
She probably has a lot of good years ahead of her.
If your beagle's not in pain and can still eat, drink, pee/poop and move about okay, I wouldn't put her to sleep yet; maybe put it off till December, then see if the surgery is still worth it. Sad to say, an old dog probably wouldn't handle it well at all.
So long as her heart's in good shape, there is no problem with surgery on an old dog. It takes literally a half hour to remove a skin tumor from a dog, and 20 minutes of that time is inducing anaesthesia. Spaying might be more of a problem, but would be worth it in the long run, since many many MANY dogs end up with uterine infections and cancer in old age.
Yeah I'd have the dog put down. As said before 15 is a good age for the dog and at that age its quite likely the operation would kill it anyway.
Casual doesn’t have a clue WTF he’s talking about. Unless the dog is obese removing a tumor and spaying is a simple and safe procedure that is very unlikely to kill the dog. And for a beagle fifteen isn’t terribly old—some of the oldest dogs on record are beagles—they made it past 25!
Get the operation. Removing the tumor is no big deal, and if you were a responsible dog owner you would have had her spayed years ago. And if the vet can’t work it in sooner than December, just get the operation done by another vet!
Getting the tumor removed is a very, very safe procedure and probably won't distress your dog much at all. Spaying is a little more complicated, and you should've done it years ago (seriously, what the hell were you thinking?) but it's still very low-risk.
If she's not in pain, is still eating and drinking okay, and seems to be enjoying life (coming up to you for pets, that sort of thing), get her the surgery. She may very well have several happy years left to her, and it'd be downright stupid to euthanize her now essentially for your convenience.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with those of you who claim 15 years is long enough and he should put it to sleep? Skin tumor removal is easy and won't affect his beagle much. It is the spaying that might get complicated but any qualified, experience vet will be able to take care of it without a problem. Some of you should get a heart, 15 years is NOT an age to give up on your dog. Its like saying, should I pay for my mom's tumor removal surgery, she is 65, and doesn't have much to live anyways? GRrrrrr.
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My family spent hundreds of dollars on surgery for our first dog who was 13 years old at the time. She died a year or so later, but she was able run around and play with us up till the day she died so it was totally worth it.
I've moved out but my mom just spent around a thousand dollars on the current family dog to get some skin growths/cancer removed and get some bad teeth out, and the dog is 14 years old and recovering well.
Every situation is different though. You should be able to judge if your pet is enjoying life and your enjoying its company. Normally its the parents not wanting to spend/not having the money, I'm surprised you're the one wondering if it should be put down.
Also, I've known dogs that lived for at least a couple years with skin growths/tumors that were left untreated and didn't seem to bother the dog much. I feel like your post is missing something. Why the rush to put it down?
My cousin has spent over $6,000 on surgeries for their dog which is around 12 years old (human years) now.
They received many recommendations to put it down at numerous times, but, despite it's issues, it is still just as happy as ever to see me when I visit. It still loves to roll over and get scratched on the stomach, certain foods, etc.
Why kill it if you don't need to? If you can afford the surgery and still want it around, get the surgery and wait it out. It might not be as energetic as it used to be, but it'll still be your dog, and it'll still recognize you and love being around you. I say only kill it when it's quality of life is getting near the pathetic levels.
my cat has had a lump on her back for the last 3 years or so, and she lives just fine. though we assumed it was a fatty cyst and not a malignant tumor, she is in no pain and is also around 16 years old now. unless you are sure it pains your dog you could always leave it be until you see signs of suffering, then have her put down.
You don't put an animal down just because of its age - this isn't Logan's Run, for god's sake. If your beagle is still is good shape and doesn't seem to be ailing or in pain, then speak with the vet about the dangers of having the tumor removed at its age and also, if the surgery is a success, how likely would the tumors return/spread.
If they're otherwise healthy, you don't euthanize an animal because of age.
Yeah I'd have the dog put down. As said before 15 is a good age for the dog and at that age its quite likely the operation would kill it anyway.
Casual doesn’t have a clue WTF he’s talking about. Unless the dog is obese removing a tumor and spaying is a simple and safe procedure that is very unlikely to kill the dog. And for a beagle fifteen isn’t terribly old—some of the oldest dogs on record are beagles—they made it past 25!
This is generally true except for the anesthesia. The older the dog is, the more dangerous general anesthesia is for them and the less likely that they'll wake up from it. So that should be weighed in.
If your beagle is still happy and otherwise healthy (playing, no change in demeanor), then I wouldn't jump the gun on euthanizing her just yet. When my golden retriever started developing fatty tumors, she was still happy and healthy and running around and all that. It was only later when she developed an abdominal tumor on her spleen at 12 years old that her demeanor changed from running around and happy to looking very said and pained, to the point where she wouldn't even bother to get up to greet someone coming to see her anymore. At that point, we had to make the hard decision to euthanize her. But that was essentially a point of no return. If she's still fully functional otherwise and happy, eating and playing, I don't see any reason to put her down yet.
Your dog is only going to go downhill from here, and even if you have her spayed her chances are tumors will pop up elsewhere. It's simple biology, dogs were simply not meant to last that long in the wild, so their bodies begin to rapidly deteroriate after a certain point. 15 years is an excellent life span for a smaller dog, and besides tumors its likely your dog will get other afflictions as well.
That said, I don't know what your financial situation is, but these operations are going to cost money, and may lead to more operations that cost more money. I don't know if your willing to sink that sort of money into prolonging the life of an animal a couple years, at most. But, like the other people have said, you don't need to put her to sleep right away. You should be aware that sometimes it's difficult to tell if an animal is in pain, though. Putting a dog that old through those sorts of surgies could be traumatic in its own right.
Sorry to hear that... Went through something similar with my dog a few months back. :-(
If your dog is in pain and theres no chance of recovery you just need to bite the bullet and take him to the vet.
Did the doctor say if it was cancer or just a tumor? The doctor saying it could spread implies that it at least could be cancer, but did he specifically state that it's cancerous and not just a growth? Did he biopsy the tumor? I don't know how much a biopsy runs, but if it comes back clean you might not even have to have the tumor removed.
You know your dog better than anyone else. Age is irrelevant. If your dog seems healthy, happy and in no obvious pain, why would you want to put her down (assuming money is not the problem)? Everyone gets sick but it doesn't meant they can't get better.
Even if you don't want to remove the tumor, don't do anything until it starts to affect her quality of life. Not all tumors are aggressive, and some of the ones that are very slow about it!
I've got a chihuahua who has two tumors, one on the foot and one on the ear. We opted not to remove them because that'd essentially mean amputating her foot and ear.
She's had those damn things for the better part of a year now, and she's doing perfectly fine. They break open and bleed on occasion, but that's about it.
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Where is the tumor? That's important, because fatty tumors near the surface of the skin are not harmful or malignant, and if it's elsewhere, some parts of the body are obviously easier to operate on than others.
"There's a bump, put 'er down" isn't a good way to decide if something you love should die.
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He said that I could ... have her spayed to prevent another tumor from forming.
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my beagle is fifteen years old
Unless you breed beagles for a living or have serious expertise in the field, what the fucking shit dude. Why was your dog not spayed as a pup?
Minor correction: no halfway decent breeder does it for a living. Breeding dogs properly isn't going to make you any money; after the costs of showing to make sure you've got a dog that should be bred, health testing for both parents, vet visits, prenatal care, health testing for the puppies, and vaccination, you'll be losing money or just barely breaking even. Breeding dogs is for people who love and want to improve the breed, not for people who want to make a profit.
You know your dog better than anyone else. Age is irrelevant. If your dog seems healthy, happy and in no obvious pain, why would you want to put her down (assuming money is not the problem)? Everyone gets sick but it doesn't meant they can't get better.
My parents are both vets.
My dog is also 15.
He is lumpy as hell, and he's got tumors all over. He's had them probably 3 years now, and he's doing fine. My parents aren't trying to remove them, because it's too much strain on him and he probably wouldn't survive it. They're medicating him for arthritic joints, and that's about it, as far as I know.
If your dog's quality of life is still good, there is absolutely no reason to euthanize it.
Cost plays a part in this too. If you think it's monetarily possible, worth it, and the dog is in good shape then go for it.
Personally I would never spend 6,000 dollars to save my dog as it is not a financial option at this time in my life. But I know people who would take out loans to do so.
The dog probably wont' even die from cancer in the end. If your dog is unspayed, more than likely it's going to be pyometra that does her in. Pyometra is a horrible horribly way to die (basically it's a huge uterine infection) Last time we spayed a dog with pyometra at the vet clinic I work at, the fallopian tubes of of a German shepherd were engorged with pus to the size of my forearm. Why on earth is your dog still not spayed? You've had fifteen years for Christ's sake.
Regardless, it doesn't help you now. Either get the bitch spayed and get the tumor taken off at the same time, or wait for the inevitable. Oh yeah, and save up for the inevitable, too. That German shepherd's spay (at age 12) cost her owners a fair fortune.
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-how much pain is she in now?
-how much would the surgery cost?
-how likely would it be for the tumor to come back?
-how many more years could she live if you got the surgery?
The decision to euthanize is never clear-cut. There are people out there who pay thousands of dollars for chemo treatments for their pets, which is most likely putting their pet through a lot more pain than is justifiable, just for a chance at a few more years of companionship. My dad's in chemo, and I think it would be cruel to put an animal that has no way to tell you what it is feeling through what he's going though right now.
I'd euthanize.
We decided to let him live for as long as he had no pain and he could just walk around and eat. Then one day he couldn't get up any more and he was in a lot of pain. We discussed it at home and agreed that this was no fun for the dog and he was really old anyway so a surgery would just mean another month of hardship for the dog for maybe a few weeks before he'd collapse for good.
When we brought him to the vet to put him out of his misery the vet was shocked to see him like this and instantly agreed that he might as well die right now.
(He was 18, which was ancient for a dog, we had expected him to die years earlier. :oops: )
If your beagle's not in pain and can still eat, drink, pee/poop and move about okay, I wouldn't put her to sleep yet; maybe put it off till December, then see if the surgery is still worth it. Sad to say, an old dog probably wouldn't handle it well at all.
A skin tumor is easy to remove and won't cause the dog much trouble once you do.
We took 7 tumors off our 11 year old boxer a few years back. No problem.
Beagles are notoriously long lived, and if you like the dog you shouldn't have her put down now.
She probably has a lot of good years ahead of her.
So long as her heart's in good shape, there is no problem with surgery on an old dog. It takes literally a half hour to remove a skin tumor from a dog, and 20 minutes of that time is inducing anaesthesia. Spaying might be more of a problem, but would be worth it in the long run, since many many MANY dogs end up with uterine infections and cancer in old age.
At least give the old girl a chance.
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Casual doesn’t have a clue WTF he’s talking about. Unless the dog is obese removing a tumor and spaying is a simple and safe procedure that is very unlikely to kill the dog. And for a beagle fifteen isn’t terribly old—some of the oldest dogs on record are beagles—they made it past 25!
Get the operation. Removing the tumor is no big deal, and if you were a responsible dog owner you would have had her spayed years ago. And if the vet can’t work it in sooner than December, just get the operation done by another vet!
If she's not in pain, is still eating and drinking okay, and seems to be enjoying life (coming up to you for pets, that sort of thing), get her the surgery. She may very well have several happy years left to her, and it'd be downright stupid to euthanize her now essentially for your convenience.
I've moved out but my mom just spent around a thousand dollars on the current family dog to get some skin growths/cancer removed and get some bad teeth out, and the dog is 14 years old and recovering well.
Every situation is different though. You should be able to judge if your pet is enjoying life and your enjoying its company. Normally its the parents not wanting to spend/not having the money, I'm surprised you're the one wondering if it should be put down.
Also, I've known dogs that lived for at least a couple years with skin growths/tumors that were left untreated and didn't seem to bother the dog much. I feel like your post is missing something. Why the rush to put it down?
They received many recommendations to put it down at numerous times, but, despite it's issues, it is still just as happy as ever to see me when I visit. It still loves to roll over and get scratched on the stomach, certain foods, etc.
Why kill it if you don't need to? If you can afford the surgery and still want it around, get the surgery and wait it out. It might not be as energetic as it used to be, but it'll still be your dog, and it'll still recognize you and love being around you. I say only kill it when it's quality of life is getting near the pathetic levels.
If they're otherwise healthy, you don't euthanize an animal because of age.
This is generally true except for the anesthesia. The older the dog is, the more dangerous general anesthesia is for them and the less likely that they'll wake up from it. So that should be weighed in.
If your beagle is still happy and otherwise healthy (playing, no change in demeanor), then I wouldn't jump the gun on euthanizing her just yet. When my golden retriever started developing fatty tumors, she was still happy and healthy and running around and all that. It was only later when she developed an abdominal tumor on her spleen at 12 years old that her demeanor changed from running around and happy to looking very said and pained, to the point where she wouldn't even bother to get up to greet someone coming to see her anymore. At that point, we had to make the hard decision to euthanize her. But that was essentially a point of no return. If she's still fully functional otherwise and happy, eating and playing, I don't see any reason to put her down yet.
That said, I don't know what your financial situation is, but these operations are going to cost money, and may lead to more operations that cost more money. I don't know if your willing to sink that sort of money into prolonging the life of an animal a couple years, at most. But, like the other people have said, you don't need to put her to sleep right away. You should be aware that sometimes it's difficult to tell if an animal is in pain, though. Putting a dog that old through those sorts of surgies could be traumatic in its own right.
If your dog is in pain and theres no chance of recovery you just need to bite the bullet and take him to the vet.
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Sorry but I have to echo this sentiment.
You know your dog better than anyone else. Age is irrelevant. If your dog seems healthy, happy and in no obvious pain, why would you want to put her down (assuming money is not the problem)? Everyone gets sick but it doesn't meant they can't get better.
I've got a chihuahua who has two tumors, one on the foot and one on the ear. We opted not to remove them because that'd essentially mean amputating her foot and ear.
She's had those damn things for the better part of a year now, and she's doing perfectly fine. They break open and bleed on occasion, but that's about it.
"There's a bump, put 'er down" isn't a good way to decide if something you love should die.
Unless you breed beagles for a living or have serious expertise in the field, what the fucking shit dude. Why was your dog not spayed as a pup?
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Minor correction: no halfway decent breeder does it for a living. Breeding dogs properly isn't going to make you any money; after the costs of showing to make sure you've got a dog that should be bred, health testing for both parents, vet visits, prenatal care, health testing for the puppies, and vaccination, you'll be losing money or just barely breaking even. Breeding dogs is for people who love and want to improve the breed, not for people who want to make a profit.
My parents are both vets.
My dog is also 15.
He is lumpy as hell, and he's got tumors all over. He's had them probably 3 years now, and he's doing fine. My parents aren't trying to remove them, because it's too much strain on him and he probably wouldn't survive it. They're medicating him for arthritic joints, and that's about it, as far as I know.
If your dog's quality of life is still good, there is absolutely no reason to euthanize it.
Personally I would never spend 6,000 dollars to save my dog as it is not a financial option at this time in my life. But I know people who would take out loans to do so.
Regardless, it doesn't help you now. Either get the bitch spayed and get the tumor taken off at the same time, or wait for the inevitable. Oh yeah, and save up for the inevitable, too. That German shepherd's spay (at age 12) cost her owners a fair fortune.
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