The Art of War: We Put Paint on Bare Men

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    That's the point of matte varnish. You need to pick up a pot of clear gloss. You apply that to things that are supposed to be shiny after you're done with the matte coating.

    Also, does anyone else here use Krylon Matte sealant? I ran out of the stuff I brought back from Japan, and switched to the much cheaper Krylon. However, models that I sprayed several days ago are still tacky to the touch. I looked closely, and when my fingers stick I'm not leaving finger prints or anything, but if I hold a model longer than a few seconds, my skin tries to stick to it.

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  • NinjerNinjer Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    what is a good carrying case for models to buy?

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  • AlphariusAlpharius Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've got two citadel cases, but I think they are overpriced - I've heard good things about the sabol army transport but have no personal experience of them

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  • ScribemiteScribemite Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    For carrying cases, you have a lot of options depending on how much money you have to spend and how elegant you want to be.

    Sabol is good stuff but a little pricey. I have their Army Transport which fits about 2K points of models as well as gaming supplies. Their website is: http://www.saboldesigns.net/home.html

    Another one is Figures in Comfort: http://www.figuresincomfort.net/ I don't know much about them.

    I've also made cases from 2" and 3" ring binders, cardboard, glue and foam from a craft store that can fit some vehicles and guys. They aren't elegant and took a little time, but they are cheap and easy to haul around.

    I've seen some people use those collapsible fabic coolers as cases (which the Sabol cases look like) and they put a bunch of foam in it for the models.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The sabol foam trays are bare none the best thing out there. The bags are decent, but it's just as easy to buy the trays, and then put them into whatever container you want to use.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Technical term Q: What's the difference between washing and glazing something?

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Washing doesn't necessarily make your stuff shiny, glazing does.

    typically a wash is when you take watered down paints or inks or the new GW line of washes and you generally put it over the whole model, or part of the model with the intention of the watered down pigments pooling in the recesses and staying off of the raised parts of the model. Basically a wash is most often used to create shading on your model. But some people also use washes in layers exclusively instead of painting.

    I've never glazed anything, but I think it's just to make the glazed parts of your model shiny rather than matte. One thing to note, however, washes with ink tend to make your models appear glazed and shiny.

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  • TechnicalityTechnicality Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Glazing as far as I know is a really really thin wash lightly painted over something to give it a bit of a tint, or take the edge off highlights.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ahh I see. I was reading an article in that how to paint citadel book and it mentioned glazing something with the new washes, and I was all, "hold up, what's the difference there?"

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2008
    Glazing as far as I know is a really really thin wash lightly painted over something to give it a bit of a tint, or take the edge off highlights.

    This here. I have a Vallejo Medium Glaze that's really good. Makes the paint take forever to dry out on the palette too.

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  • HorseraddishHorseraddish Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    More finished work, Biel Tan Fire Prism, wish I had taken a good shot of the base, I liked the grass rock combination I did, nothing special but it came out well. This was really my first shot at blending paint transitioning one shade to another without drybrushing, it came out ok I guess.

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    Click imgs for bigger versions as always ;)

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  • NinjerNinjer Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    what is a good way to measure out paint for mixing colors etc?

    also re: glazing: http://www.brushthralls.com/painting-techniques/glaze-medium-3.html was informative for me

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2008
    Brushthralls have great painting tutorials. :^:

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I really hate when I over-wash something

    Wet marines for the lose

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  • IanatorIanator A predator cannot differentiate between prey and accompliceRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You think that's bad? A couple of my Black Reach Nobz look like they crapped themselves - and they had da runz.

    ...And now I can't stop laughing. Stupid awesome Orkz.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yes, but I'd rather have ork flesh look soggy than space marine armour. It just looks wierd.

    Strangely, the brown and silver that I washed came out great.

    Well, I know I'll eventually simple green everything I own, so :/

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  • DampCatDampCat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You can over-wash? I pretty much load up the biggest brush i have, slap it into recesses, then load it up again. I'd actually considered* just dipping those Ultramarines into the the wash, then using an airbrush to blow it off the raised areas.




    *very briefly

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DampCat wrote: »
    You can over-wash? I pretty much load up the biggest brush i have, slap it into recesses, then load it up again. I'd actually considered* just dipping those Ultramarines into the the wash, then using an airbrush to blow it off the raised areas.




    *very briefly

    Well, it all depends how you do it. Large, smooth area's can get big streaks and splotches from washes if you use too much, hence why I use a small amount on them just to give them a small bit of shading and color difference. For example, the arms on this guy came out pretty well, but the legs just look like he just stepped out of water or something. And his legs are made out of paint.

    I'm horribly at analogies. Mind posting pictures of your guys, to get an idea of how yours look in comparison?

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  • DampCatDampCat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Absolutely. Can't until tonight though, but i'll do it when i get home.

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  • ShamuuuShamuuu regular
    edited October 2008
    Started on my Heavy Cavalry.

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  • JJ Rabbit GangmemberRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Haha brilliant. I imagine converting all these comedic deaths is pretty great fun.

    Horseraddish : The tank could use something to break up all that green. Like thorns or insignia. Eldar tanks are huge canvases for awesome, take advantage of it!

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  • HorseraddishHorseraddish Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    J wrote: »
    Haha brilliant. I imagine converting all these comedic deaths is pretty great fun.

    Horseraddish : The tank could use something to break up all that green. Like thorns or insignia. Eldar tanks are huge canvases for awesome, take advantage of it!

    I had every intention of doing thorns on it, thats actually what made up my mind to do it a Beil tan, I decided on it and I wanted to but my free hand is shit, this one kinda turned into a project of "well can I do blending worth a fuckle?" I'll come back to it after the next piece or two and hopefully have worked up the cohones to do the thorns properly.

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  • NinjerNinjer Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Here are my first warhammer fantasy guys, some night goblin fanatics, I am pretty happy with how they turned out given my level of experience.
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  • AlazullAlazull Your body is not a temple, it's an amusement park. Enjoy the ride.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    They look great.

    How you going to base them?

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    They look good, but a wash on the brown would really bring out the detail. Not sure if Bedab black or Gryphonne Sepia would work better, though.

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  • NinjerNinjer Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Alazull wrote: »
    They look great.

    How you going to base them?

    well I just ordered some "Dirt Flock Foundation"

    and what colors are those? not all my paints are games workshop paints...

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ninjer wrote: »
    and what colors are those? not all my paints are games workshop paints...

    They're both Games Workshop Washes. Basically, a brown or dark wash would work really well on those.

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  • NinjerNinjer Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    on the ropes and belts?

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Belts if you want, Ropes definitely

    A green wash over the skin couldn't hurt, but I wouldn't say it needs it per say.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    On everything. The teeth especially stand out as being too white for goblins. They should have a nice brownish tinge them.

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    More finished work, Biel Tan Fire Prism, wish I had taken a good shot of the base, I liked the grass rock combination I did, nothing special but it came out well. This was really my first shot at blending paint transitioning one shade to another without drybrushing, it came out ok I guess.

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    Click imgs for bigger versions as always ;)

    i'll click your imgs so fucking hard.

    looks cool. kinda like cylon raiders.

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Ninjer wrote: »
    Here are my first warhammer fantasy guys, some night goblin fanatics, I am pretty happy with how they turned out given my level of experience.
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    nice! goddamn, son.

    but uh, who is their dentist? the teeth, they blind me!

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  • DampCatDampCat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Raslin wrote: »
    Mind posting pictures of your guys, to get an idea of how yours look in comparison?

    Alright, heres my most recent guy. I literally douse that bad boy in as much wash as i can get on the brush. I aim for recesses first, then spread over teh flat areas.

    The pic doesn't show too well, as pictures have a habit of doing. Bext place to see is on the feet between the shoe and leg armour, then on the arse plates, and the backpack.

    Click for a version that's way too large to be any use.

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Ninjer wrote: »
    what is a good carrying case for models to buy?

    I will definately be making my own, because that's easy and cooler.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    God damn dampcat, there's like no trace of uneven painting nor washing...

    I guess I'll try a super-wash on my next model. Maybe its the colors I use, thraka green over scorpion green, or something... damn.

    By the way, dude looks damn good in general, A++ would view again.

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  • DampCatDampCat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Wow, thanks mate. He's like my 4th model. ever.

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  • NiklasNiklas SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DampCat: thats very nice and crisp. You paint with awesome precision. Only thing I can come up with is that you could maybe add some more distinct highlights to the edges of the armour. Other than that it looks awesome.

    And Ultramarines for the win!

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  • DampCatDampCat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yeah i suck at highlights, i'm not even sure how you do them. I'm going to pop down to a couple of late nights at the local GW and get soem help i think. Thanks though! makes me feel better about my work! Gonna go over the blacks on the backs of the knees and stuff, get rid of the blue overflow.

    Thanks :)

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  • leafleaf Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    the cheat wrote: »
    Ninjer wrote: »
    what is a good carrying case for models to buy?

    I will definately be making my own, because that's easy and cooler.

    And also well under half price. Not as fancy but whatever, still works just as well.

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  • NiklasNiklas SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DampCat: Highlights are quite easy and fast if you drybrush. You can also carefully paint the highlights with a fine detail brush and watered down paint. Whatever suits you best, since both methods work well. I used to drybrush my highlights, but now I prefer to paint them (except for larger models, which would take too long to paint).

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