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The American Presidency: The Candidates at Home

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Why is there no news on the weekends?

    I mean, everybody keeps complaining about the 24hour news cycle. well they should try 24/7.

    hmph.

    Ahwell, things'll start up again tomorrow.

    22 days and counting......
    The news cycle is only 24-hour for those of us who pay attention. For most people, you've got the newspapers, and the 6 o'clock news; if it can't make the Friday press deadline or the 6'oclock news on Friday evening, it's not news.

    Yeah. True...

    That was the least though-intensive thing I could think of to complain about right now. I'm sick and cranky and wanted to complain.

    But Palin just makes my head hurt, McCain makes me crankier. So I figured I'd complain about not having anything to think about or complain about.

    Or something like that.

    But.. somebody shoudl do something exciting today....

    Well I'm naked right now but for a lampshade on my head, but you can't really see that so I guess it doesn't help you.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Well, I find the fact that he would release a rapist to rape and murder again against the advice of his victims in order to score political points to be an excellent representation of his character and personality.
    This makes me want to beat the shit out of you. People's alleged victims shouldn't be the ones choosing their punishment. That's fucking stupid. And yeah, sometimes, people are sometimes going to fuck up and pardon the wrong guy. But I would rather have one wrong guy pardoned than one hundred guys who deserve pardons stuck because of the way our society jumps all over people because they can't predict the future with 100% accuracy.

    And Mike Huckabee is a very nice, very sincere, crazy fundamentalist Christian. I think he'd do great in an Obama administration in something like the office of faith outreach, or something like that.
    It would help if you knew what you were talking about, Than.
    Yeah, if only I knew about the guy whose severed testicles were put on display by the cops, then flushed down a toilet, who, in spite of a parole board that recommended his parole, lost it because the person he allegedly raped was a distant cousin of the governor.

    If only I had bothered to acquaint myself with the facts of the case, I might know what the fuck I was talking about, eh?

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Why is there no news on the weekends?

    I mean, everybody keeps complaining about the 24hour news cycle. well they should try 24/7.

    hmph.

    Ahwell, things'll start up again tomorrow.

    22 days and counting......
    The news cycle is only 24-hour for those of us who pay attention. For most people, you've got the newspapers, and the 6 o'clock news; if it can't make the Friday press deadline or the 6'oclock news on Friday evening, it's not news.

    Yeah. True...

    That was the least though-intensive thing I could think of to complain about right now. I'm sick and cranky and wanted to complain.

    But Palin just makes my head hurt, McCain makes me crankier. So I figured I'd complain about not having anything to think about or complain about.

    Or something like that.

    But.. somebody shoudl do something exciting today....

    Well I'm naked right now but for a lampshade on my head, but you can't really see that so I guess it doesn't help you.

    Well... the mental image made me giggle a bit. Paired with the fact that Madonna's "Justify My Love" is on the radio right now, it made me giggle quite a bit.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's fun reading reports of Republicans starting to fire away at their candidate three weeks out instead of the Democrats.
    Two former rivals for the party nomination, Mitt Romney and Tommy Thompson, went on the record over the weekend about the disarray in the Republican camp. And a string of other senior party figures said Mr McCain's erratic performance risks taking the party down to heavy losses not just in the presidential race but also in contests for Congressional seats. Mr Thompson, a former governor of the swing state of Wisconsin, said he thought Mr McCain, on his present trajectory, would lose the state, and he told a New York Times reporter he was not happy with the campaign. "I don't know who is," he added.

    Some Republicans seeking election to Congress have begun distancing themselves from Mr McCain. In Nebraska, a Republican representative, Lee Terry, ran a newspaper ad featuring support from a woman who called herself an "Obama-Terry voter".

    The McCain camp was reportedly considering launching a new set of economic policies last night, on top of the plan for government purchases of mortgages which he unveiled in a surprise move at last week's presidential debate. Possible options include temporary tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. Mr Romney said he should "stand above the tactical alternatives that are being considered and establish an economic vision that is able to convince the American people that he really knows how to strengthen the economy".

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    I know you hate victim's rights Than but really that had very little to do with why that case is a mar on Huckabee's record

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    And Mike Huckabee is a very nice, very sincere, crazy fundamentalist Christian. I think he'd do great in an Obama administration in something like the office of faith outreach, or something like that.
    Why would you want a crazy fundamentalist in any role in one's Administration?

    The guy is as extreme as you can get on abortion (no rape/incest or health of the mother exception and doesn't even want to leave it a state issue and that a consensus with pro-choice ppl is impossible), doesn't believe in evolution, against any embryonic stem cell research, thinks open homosexuality shouldn't be tolerated by society, opposed SCHIP, supports abstinence education and teacher-led mandatory school prayer and wants judges who say legislatures can't specifically pray to Jesus impeached.

    The guy is Sarah Palin with a dick and more experience. Just because he's charming on the Daily Show means he belongs anywhere near an Obama Administration

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  • ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    Agreed. There are some terrible Democrats in Congress. The point of the so-called netroots is not simply partisan. The goal is:

    1. Get the Democratic Party in power because it is the better of the two parties
    2. Gain influence in the Democratic Party and the electorate through the efforts of #1
    3. Use the influence of #2 to reform the Democratic party to become more progressive/liberal, and thus enact progressive/liberal policies and move the political landscape in that direction.

    The DailyKos/OpenLeft/swingstateproject/538s of the world aren't doing this out of a specific love of the Democratic party, they are doing it to advance the ideals that drew them to the Party in general. From a minority position, it is logical and correct to not try to reform the party from the inside because the harm some asshole D does is likely less than the harm removing him from the Party would do. If the election goes best case scenario, the D party will have the White House, a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a 100 seat majority in the House. The harm an obstructionist or corrupt member or group within the Party now can easily be bigger than pissing off that member or group.

    Reforming the Party to govern better should be why one gets into party politics. Otherwise you're just a blatant partisan hack.
    That would be just scary as fuck.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Yeah, if only I knew about the guy whose severed testicles were put on display by the cops, then flushed down a toilet, who, in spite of a parole board that recommended his parole, lost it because the person he allegedly raped was a distant cousin of the governor.

    If only I had bothered to acquaint myself with the facts of the case, I might know what the fuck I was talking about, eh?

    He was sentenced to life without parole so I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about here. There was no parole board until Huckabee changed his sentence to allow him one and then recommended to the parole board he should be released. The guy was a multiple rapist but Huckabee got him released because he found God or so Huckabee could score points with the anti-Clinton crowd or for some ridiculous idea that a violent rapist should be out on the streets. The guy he got released then raped and murdered two different women.

    I'm not sure how you think that's not an appropriate criticism.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    I know you hate victim's rights Than but really that had very little to do with why that case is a mar on Huckabee's record
    The guy got shat upon by the cops. Even if his castration was self-inflicted, the cops putting his testicles on display then flushing them down the toilet made it appear that, at the very least they were completely indifferent towards catching anyone who may have been involved in an attack on him. The parole board had made a recommendation for parole in 1990, which Bill Clinton put the kibosh on. Huckabee then proceeded to get him/allow him to be (depending on who you listen to) pardoned several years later, at which point he was removed from the state, and committed another sexual assault, in spite of his castration.

    Now, I'm not saying that people didn't fuck up, but to say that "he shouldn't have been released because his alleged victim said so" is fucking stupid, and if we're going to take that approach, why bother with the whole court system thing at all? Let's just have victims act as judge, jury, and executioner.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Yeah, if only I knew about the guy whose severed testicles were put on display by the cops, then flushed down a toilet, who, in spite of a parole board that recommended his parole, lost it because the person he allegedly raped was a distant cousin of the governor.

    If only I had bothered to acquaint myself with the facts of the case, I might know what the fuck I was talking about, eh?
    He was sentenced to life without parole so I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about here. There was no parole board until Huckabee changed his sentence to allow him one and then recommended to the parole board he should be released. The guy was a multiple rapist but Huckabee got him released because he found God or so Huckabee could score points with the anti-Clinton crowd or for some ridiculous idea that a violent rapist should be out on the streets. The guy he got released then raped and murdered two different women.

    I'm not sure how you think that's not an appropriate criticism.
    The parole board in 1990 recommended that his sentence be commuted (which would have made him eligible for parole). Later, when it wasn't in the papers anymore, and much easier to be played up on as "governor being soft on crime," Huckabee commuted his sentence.

    Again, I'm not saying that he necessarily should have, but shit, I don't see it as the glaring error in judgment that so many other people seem to. The man was castrated, for fuck's sake, and the cops had treated him like some kind of fucking animal. They certainly weren't interested in any kind of justice for him.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    KungFu wrote: »
    So the Obama Campaign is opening a third office in Omaha.

    Crazy.

    It feels nice to be fought over, doesn't it?

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Medopine wrote: »
    I know you hate victim's rights Than but really that had very little to do with why that case is a mar on Huckabee's record
    The guy got shat upon by the cops. Even if his castration was self-inflicted, the cops putting his testicles on display then flushing them down the toilet made it appear that, at the very least they were completely indifferent towards catching anyone who may have been involved in an attack on him. The parole board had made a recommendation for parole in 1990, which Bill Clinton put the kibosh on. Huckabee then proceeded to get him/allow him to be (depending on who you listen to) pardoned several years later, at which point he was removed from the state, and committed another sexual assault, in spite of his castration.

    Now, I'm not saying that people didn't fuck up, but to say that "he shouldn't have been released because his alleged victim said so" is fucking stupid, and if we're going to take that approach, why bother with the whole court system thing at all? Let's just have victims act as judge, jury, and executioner.

    Yeah I'm not saying that, I'm just saying don't go blind with rage every time that issue comes up to the exclusion of recognizing the ultimate point of bringing up this case, which is to show poor judgment/abuse of influence by Huckabee

    He may be a nice guy but he doesn't belong anywhere in Obama's administration

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    And now for something completely different. With luck, someone out there will get the reference:\
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Gosling wrote: »
    And now for something completely different. With luck, someone out there will get the reference:\
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    Sarah Palin is many things, but baddest motherfucker on the planet is NOT one of them.

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm reading What Happened by Scott McClellan right now, and I'm about a hundred pages from the end. It's actually a rather disheartening book. He is somewhat sympathetic towards Bush, not putting a great deal of blame on him which I suppose could be expected, but putting much more on Rove, Cheney, and Card. What he puts the most blame on is simply the system of politics in Washington and the permanent campaign. It's worth a read to see exactly how an Obama presidency could wind up going downhill (never mentioned specifically, at least not at this point in the book; just an observation of my own).

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I can't find a link, hopefully Nate will find one tomorrow. But there is apparently a random North Dakota poll with Obama up 2.

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    At this rate there is a very real chance of Obama carrying the state. Not a great one, but he's fighting for it (while McCain is just assuming it's his) and it just might work.

    The McCain campaign wouldn't have the time or money to focus on states like MT or ND. They're already fighting for too many states, and spreading themselves too thin.

    If it gets to the point where Obama can win ND or MT, then McCain has lost anyway.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    This is the whole article from Time that was quoted earlier. Not bad:
    If John McCain is as serious as he says about running a "respectful" campaign against an opponent he considers "a decent person," word hasn't yet trickled down to his newly opened storefront field office in Gainesville, Virginia.

    No Democratic presidential candidate has carried Virginia since 1964, and most election years both campaigns pretty much ignore the state. This time, however, McCain is running behind Barack Obama in statewide polls, thanks in large part to the head start he got on the ground there. "We haven't seen a race like this in Virginia — ever," said state GOP Chairman Jeffrey M. Frederick. "The last time was 40 years ago, and they didn't run races like this."

    Indeed, Frederick, a 33-year-old state legislator, hadn't even been born yet. But earlier this year Frederick unseated a moderate 71-year-old former lieutenant governor (who also happens to be Jenna Bush's father-in-law) to become head of the Virginia GOP, promising "bold new leadership" for a state party recently on the decline.

    The McCain campaign invited me to visit Frederick and the Gainesville operation on Saturday morning, to get a first-hand glimpse of its ground game in Prince William County, Virginia, a fast-growing area about 30 miles from Washington, D.C.

    With so much at stake, and time running short, Frederick did not feel he had the luxury of subtlety. He climbed atop a folding chair to give 30 campaign volunteers who were about to go canvassing door to door their talking points — for instance, the connection between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: "Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon," he said. "That is scary." It is also not exactly true — though that distorted reference to Obama's controversial association with William Ayers, a former 60s radical, was enough to get the volunteers stoked. "And he won't salute the flag," one woman added, repeating another myth about Obama. She was quickly topped by a man who called out, "We don't even know where Senator Obama was really born." Actually, we do; it's Hawaii.

    Ground operations — the doughnut-fueled armies of volunteers who knock on doors and man the phone banks — are the trench warfare of political campaigns. These are the people charged with finding and persuading voters who might support their candidate, and then making sure they actually show up at the polls. A good ground operation might mean just an additional percentage point or two on Election Day, but in a close race, that margin could easily be the difference between winning and losing. Obama campaign manager David Plouffe calls his ground operation the "field goal unit," and it was one of the big reasons the Illinois Senator bested Hillary Clinton in the primaries. But Obama's team has yet to be tested against a Republican operation that was built and perfected over decades, culminating in the astonishing ground game that put George W. Bush over the top in 2004.

    The Republicans wouldn't allow me to tag along with their volunteers, so I drove 30 minutes across the county to the Obama field office. Where the Gainesville GOP office that opened last week was still furnished only with a few folding tables and chairs (workers were hanging the McCain/Palin sign out front as I drove away), Obama's in Woodbridge has been up and running since July, and has the dingy, cluttered, lived-in feel that every campaign office eventually acquires. The campaign's "Votebuilder" software — with house-by-house data on every registered voter in the area — dominated a bank of computer screens, and the walls were covered with cartoons, volunteer signatures and lists of "star phonebankers." Young volunteers bustled in and out with stacks of clipboards and canvassing materials to hand to the volunteers who were showing up by the carful in the parking lot. Word had gotten out that a new load of yard signs had arrived, so they were handing those out to Obama supporters who had shown up asking for them.

    The campaign handed me a packet of addresses and sent me out to meet Brian Varrieur. He's a 34-year-old lawyer who lives in Washington, D.C. and looks barely old enough to vote himself. This was the fifth weekend he returned to his parents' home in the neighborhood where he grew up to knock on doors for Obama. Brian is soft-spoken — not exactly a natural personality for this kind of work; back when his elementary school would hold candy-sale drives, "I was one of those kids who would get their next-door neighbor and their mom to buy some, and that was it," he told me. "But this [presidential election] really matters to me."

    It must. Saturdays in the suburbs aren't the ideal time to find people at home. I followed Brian to 13 houses on his list, and no one answered at 10 of them. (He left an Obama brochure in the door of each.) At one, the woman at the door told him she was "leaning" toward McCain, though I thought she seemed more settled in her decision than that. At another, a teen-aged girl told him: "My dad is a super-strong Republican. You're probably at the wrong house." (He duly marked that down, to save future canvassers the trouble.) Still, the yard signs we saw suggested that this was in fact a neighborhood divided. We discovered that was true when we approached another house on the list and found a father and son raking the front yard. "I'm voting for McCain," the father told us. But his 19-year-old son, a college student home for the weekend, told us he plans to send in his absentee ballot for Obama. His reason? "Palin's a retard," he said. As for the lady of the house? McCain, the man said. "She has to live here. The kids I can kick out."

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  • MulkhoranMulkhoran Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Gosling wrote: »
    And now for something completely different. With luck, someone out there will get the reference:\
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    Sarah Palin is many things, but baddest motherfucker on the planet is NOT one of them.

    I mean.......seriously.........how *could* you? Raven? Honestly?

    I must take my offense and govoteobamawooooooooo

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  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Can anyone point me to where i could find a Hires version of Obama in the rain giving his speech?

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    As for the lady of the house? McCain, the man said. "She has to live here. The kids I can kick out."

    Stay classy, Republicans.

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  • lsukalellsukalel Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Holy Shit. North Dakota is in play again. Obama: 45, McCain: 43

    Barack Obama is shown with an edge against John McCain in a North Dakota presidential race that has narrowed to a statistical tie, according to a new Forum poll.

    The survey shows Obama squeaking past McCain, 45 percent to 43 percent, a lead that falls within the poll’s margin of error and therefore indicates a dead heat, according to political analysts.

    Still up for grabs: undecided voters, comprising 12 percent.

    “It’s a statistical tossup,” said Jim Danielson, co-director of the Public Affairs Institute at Minnesota State University Moorhead, which conducted the statewide telephone survey for The Forum. Pollsters contacted 606 likely North Dakota voters by telephone Oct. 6-8.

    The poll indicates McCain’s once-comfortable lead in North Dakota has melted away as Obama is the widely favored choice among voters who consider the economy the most pressing issue.

    Among voters who rank the economy as their top concern, 49 percent favor Obama, while 38 percent back McCain. The economy was far and away the most important national issue among voters, according to the poll, even though a majority regarded their own economic situation as “better off” or the “same” compared to a year ago.

    Another troubling sign in the poll for McCain, who has styled himself as a maverick who is not a clone of President Bush: McCain has failed to solidify his hold on the GOP base in North Dakota, where he has the support of just 73 percent of voters identifying themselves as strong Republicans.

    In February’s North Dakota Republican caucuses, McCain finished second behind Mitt Romney, barely ahead of Ron Paul, an early sign his campaign was not eagerly embraced by many of the party faithful.

    By contrast, Obama has a commanding lead among Democratic voters and is a favorite among independent voters.

    McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is shown as neither helping nor hurting the Republican among North Dakota voters. Eighty percent of those polled said McCain’s selection of Palin as running mate had little or no influence on their choice of primary candidate.

    If Obama defeats McCain in North Dakota’s Nov. 4 election, it would be a historic loss for the Republicans, who have failed to carry the state in only three presidential elections since 1916, most recently Lyndon Johnson’s defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964.

    Not long ago, North Dakota appeared to be strongly behind McCain, despite Obama’s decision to open field offices throughout the state, an unprecedented presence by a Democratic presidential contender. The Obama campaign recently pulled its staff from North Dakota, shifting them to hotly contested Minnesota and Wisconsin, but a network of volunteers continues to work out of the offices.

    The last publicly reported North Dakota presidential poll, taken Sept. 16-17, showed McCain led Obama 53 percent to 40 percent, the latest in a string of surveys this year showing the Republican was ahead in North Dakota. But an early poll, in February, surprised many politicos when Obama was shown leading 46 percent to 42 percent.

    With three weeks remaining in the race, with the nation rocked by a financial panic and wars continuing in Iraq and Afghanistan, the two presidential candidates’ fate could be strongly influence by factors outside their control, said Philip Baumann, co-director of the Public Affairs Institute and a professor of political science at MSUM.

    “Lots can depend on external situations and developments,” Baumann said.

    Despite McCain’s problems in North Dakota, the Republicans’ strong organization in the state still could prove formidable, Danielson said. A party’s machine is crucial in getting its voters to the polls on Election Day.

    “If I were going to put my money on it right now, my estimate is the Republicans will have the lead there,” Danielson said.

    Still, the poll suggests North Dakota, which holds three of 538 electoral votes, will draw renewed interest and redoubled efforts from both campaigns, Baumann said.

    “You could see a scramble from both parties,” he added. “Right now it’s neck and neck. It’s within the margin of error. It could go either way.”

    Rollout of ND poll results

    - Today: President, most important national issues

    - Tuesday: U.S. House, governor, insurance commissioner and most important state issues

    - Wednesday: State ballot measures

    - Thursday: Job-performance ratings of president, U.S. senators, U.S. congressman, governor and state Legislature

    About this poll

    Telephone interviews of 606 likely North Dakota voters were conducted Oct. 6-8 in a statewide survey conducted by the Public Affairs Institute of Minnesota State University Moorhead. The poll, with a sample weighted for age, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    Historical background

    Democratic presidential candidates have carried North Dakota only three times since 1916. Each Democratic victory was decisive, and two came during the Great Depression:

    - 1964: President Lyndon Johnson defeated Barry Goldwater 58 percent to 42 percent.

    - 1936: President Franklin Delano Roosevelt beat Alf Landon 69 percent to 31 percent.

    - 1932: Franklin Delano Roosevelt defeated President Herbert Hoover 71 percent to 29 percent.

    Source: North Dakota Secretary of State

    Readers can reach Forum reporter Patrick Springer at (701) 241-5522

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    lsukalel wrote: »
    Barack Obama is shown with an edge against John McCain in a North Dakota presidential race that has narrowed to a statistical tie, according to a new Forum poll.

    The survey shows Obama squeaking past McCain, 45 percent to 43 percent, a lead that falls within the poll’s margin of error and therefore indicates a dead heat, according to political analysts.

    If this isn't an outlier, then it's most definitely game over for McCain.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think this race has come down to this:

    Hate vs. Hope.

    Look at the McCain rallies, and then look at the Obama ones. I really am not trying to be overdramatic, but the McCain rallies are like... misguided, fear enducing... it makes me sick. I see the rallies, and I see the people not loving McCain or Palin, but they hate Obama.

    I see the Obama rallies, and they don't hate McCain. They love Obama and Biden.

    I mean, it really is right there, plain as day. I feel like I'm stuck in a fucking Final Fantasy game.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Let's be fair; there are people who love Palin in particular--witness the stories about people leaving once she's done speaking. But there seem to be fewer of them as days go on...

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I GOT OBAMA 2 VOTES!

    Yeah, at another board. I've been ruthlessly campaigning for Obama over there. I converted a McCain supporter and swung a swing voter right over to Obama.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Let's be fair; there are people who love Palin in particular--witness the stories about people leaving once she's done speaking. But there seem to be fewer of them as days go on...

    Yeah, they love her because she speaks to their paranoia. It's kind of sick.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I GOT OBAMA 2 VOTES!

    Yeah, at another board. I've been ruthlessly campaigning for Obama over there. I converted a McCain supporter and swung a swing voter right over to Obama.

    hi5! :D

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  • lsukalellsukalel Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think this race has come down to this:

    Hate vs. Hope.

    Look at the McCain rallies, and then look at the Obama ones. I really am not trying to be overdramatic, but the McCain rallies are like... misguided, fear enducing... it makes me sick. I see the rallies, and I see the people not loving McCain or Palin, but they hate Obama.

    I see the Obama rallies, and they don't hate McCain. They love Obama and Biden.

    I mean, it really is right there, plain as day. I feel like I'm stuck in a fucking Final Fantasy game.

    Sooo who would that make Obama? and Hillary and Bill?

    for my money i dont know the above but Biden = Auron. Just because Biden is that much of a badass.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shadowen wrote: »
    I GOT OBAMA 2 VOTES!

    Yeah, at another board. I've been ruthlessly campaigning for Obama over there. I converted a McCain supporter and swung a swing voter right over to Obama.

    hi5! :D

    Converting the McCain supporter was easily. I just told him what McCain believes and posted news stories.

    The undecided was tricky.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Obama could be Barrett. Except his hand cannon shoots hopetons.

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Pretty badly presented, but new ABC poll

    53-43
    I can't think of a better piece of evidence of the main stream media pushing the horse race narrative instead of factual information.

    That is a horrible graphic.

    Also: Yet another instance of ad banner placement based on the fact that seeing John McCain's smile makes viewers think of teeth whiteners.

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Also: Yet another instance of ad banner placement based on the fact that seeing John McCain's smile makes viewers think of teeth whiteners.

    I didn't see the ad (I block them), but what's wrong with McCain's teeth? They look pretty normal to me.

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Marlor wrote: »
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Also: Yet another instance of ad banner placement based on the fact that seeing John McCain's smile makes viewers think of teeth whiteners.

    I didn't see the ad (I block them), but what's wrong with McCain's teeth? They look pretty normal to me.

    They're very yellow, at least in some older pictures of him. Maybe they've been using whiteners since he's been campaigning.

    edit: Behold, the worst picture of him (and perhaps anything) ever:

    p1_mccain_all.jpg


    my god...

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  • lsukalellsukalel Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Marlor wrote: »
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Also: Yet another instance of ad banner placement based on the fact that seeing John McCain's smile makes viewers think of teeth whiteners.

    I didn't see the ad (I block them), but what's wrong with McCain's teeth? They look pretty normal to me.

    They're very yellow, at least in some older pictures of him. Maybe they've been using whiteners since he's been campaigning.

    edit: Behold, the worst picture of him (and perhaps anything) ever:

    p1_mccain_all.jpg


    my god...


    It's full of stars.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    does... does he think he's holding a microphone in that picture? or a penis?

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  • IriahIriah Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    American news presenters have no balls

    he just goes on and on and on without anyone calling him on his crap

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    Whether we like it or not, religious fundamentalism can never be confronted directly in this country. While most religious people aren't fundamentalists, most people in the country period are religious enough that they get very upset if they percieve Christianity as being attacked, which is what going against fundamentalists is inevitably spun as.
    We're just going to have to wait it out. I don't think it will take very long - if I'm not mistaken, a lot of younger religious people are much more focused on social activism than they are on paranoid that their babies are going to be "converted" to homosexuality. I'd say within ten years, the 'Religious Right' as we know it will be fading, and the 'Religious Vote' will be a much less homogeneous demographic.

    Yeah, I'm actually hoping that Palin gets the nomination in '12 as a second implosion from pandering to evangelicals is pretty much the only way I see to get some sanity back in the republican party. It's for that reason why I'm scared as hell of Huckabee, because despite having batshit insane views on anything even remotely related to faith, he's so charismatic that he'd actually stand a chance, but more importantly would keep the evangelicals as one of the main pilars of the party, if not the dominant one.

    EDIT: I could only watch a minute of that video before having to shut it off. I don't get how these people can function on a day to day basis with that kind of cognative dissonance

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    They're very yellow, at least in some older pictures of him. Maybe they've been using whiteners since he's been campaigning.

    Meh. They look pretty good for a 72-year-old to me.

    At least they're not disturbingly hyper-white like the teeth of some celebrities and politicians.

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