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Revisiting Assassin's Creed

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  • Racist JokeRacist Joke Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I loved every aspect of the game, it was very fun. I even liked how Altair dressed, looked very cool and badass.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Just because you want your killing high profile doesn't mean that you should throw stealth out the window. I have yet to see a viable way to even get near assassination targets without starting a fight.

    Why couldn't you sneak up to a target's quarters, kill him, and then throw his body out on the street with the Hashashin's calling card? Why can't I sneak up to a perch above a target in a crowd and use a signature throwing knife? Why does every target involve me calling out a fight to the death and, for the most part, having the target accepting it?

    It's fun as it is, but like others have said, having every target die in the midst of a big sword fight makes it more monotonous.
    You can though.

    It's not too difficult to do it but the thing about doing it is the stealth assassinations basically rely on the mid-air hidden blade which has a pretty picky placement.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You can though.

    It's not too difficult to do it but the thing about doing it is the stealth assassinations basically rely on the mid-air hidden blade which has a pretty picky placement.

    I figured that was how you have to do it...but honestly I've never done the flying hidden-blade thing except on a few rooftop archers that I was bounding towards. That's obviously my fault and not the game's.

    Still, there are other ways to be high profile other than just running in and starting a fight WWE-style.

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  • Racist JokeRacist Joke Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've heard that the first guy you have to kill is the easiest to kill without being spotted. I only learned that about halfway through the game. I wanted to get the achievement for it, so I kept trying with the guys later on in the game. It was pretty cool slowly walking towards the target, praying no one sees you, getting right behind him hoping he doesn't turn, and just kill him.

    I did finally managed to do it to one guy, forgot who it was though.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Just because you want your killing high profile doesn't mean that you should throw stealth out the window. I have yet to see a viable way to even get near assassination targets without starting a fight.

    Why couldn't you sneak up to a target's quarters, kill him, and then throw his body out on the street with the Hashashin's calling card? Why can't I sneak up to a perch above a target in a crowd and use a signature throwing knife (make it harder to use than a normal throwing knife or something)? Why does every target involve me calling out a fight to the death and, for the most part, having the target accepting it?

    It's fun as it is, but like others have said, having every target die in the midst of a big sword fight makes it more monotonous.

    So I killed the following guys stealthy like, where stealthy like is defined as with the assassin blade before they could react:
    The guy in the castle at the back talking to his men. I got up onto the balcony by working out how to move around the outside of the castle, silenced the guards and waited. Eventually all the men left after he finished haranguing them. I dropped down and killed him, then got seen. Nobody saw me before I killed him. (Well that is a lie the guards I silenced saw me but judging from their patrols I'm pretty sure I could have gotten around to the back without them doing so. What I meant is nobody raised an alarm so no swordfight.)

    The guy who poisons his guests I killed by going to the left and up near where his entrance is then going straight up the balcony. I had to knock an archer over, but I got to sprint right up to him before he could respond, much like in the trailer.

    Sure you can't avoid every guard and get out like in Tenchu, but you can have your first offensive action be their death and perhaps the guard closest to them, and then just run.

    It requires a lot of patience, but judging from those experiences I'd say by waiting till the right moment (which the extra info tells you about if you read it and have cased the area) you can have your only kill be the targets via the stealth knife, and then just run from everybody else.

    This right moment is certainly not handed to you on a platter though, you do have to really search for it.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You can though.

    It's not too difficult to do it but the thing about doing it is the stealth assassinations basically rely on the mid-air hidden blade which has a pretty picky placement.

    I figured that was how you have to do it...but honestly I've never done the flying hidden-blade thing except on a few rooftop archers that I was bounding towards. That's obviously my fault and not the game's.

    Still, there are other ways to be high profile other than just running in and starting a fight WWE-style.
    Well you can just run in and hidden blade if you take a short enough path.

    I think there was a video on youtube a while back that had the one shot assassinations on every target possible in the game. It is possible just really hard and not really worth the effort on some of them.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You can though.

    It's not too difficult to do it but the thing about doing it is the stealth assassinations basically rely on the mid-air hidden blade which has a pretty picky placement.

    I figured that was how you have to do it...but honestly I've never done the flying hidden-blade thing except on a few rooftop archers that I was bounding towards. That's obviously my fault and not the game's.

    Still, there are other ways to be high profile other than just running in and starting a fight WWE-style.
    Well you can just run in and hidden blade if you take a short enough path.

    I think there was a video on youtube a while back that had the one shot assassinations on every target possible in the game. It is possible just really hard and not really worth the effort on some of them.

    Yeah it's the same as in Tenchu where you can get bonus from not killing anybody or anything but I never did that I cut the most efficient path straight to the end guy without being seen by anybody who lived for longer than half a second. Oh and you get no bonus because all the game cares about is that they're dead.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I didn't know the guy in the fortress eventually leaves himself alone. When I read the info, it said something like "He'll yell at his soldiers for the rest of the day" and I took that as videogame parlance for "He'll yell at his soldiers until you eventually kill him".

    I do read the info, and I even follow the "sneaky" routes that are usually pointed out, but lot's of the time it just seems to stick me above or near the target, but not close enough to kill them outright.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I didn't know the guy in the fortress eventually leaves himself alone. When I read the info, it said something like "He'll yell at his soldiers for the rest of the day" and I took that as videogame parlance for "He'll yell at his soldiers until you eventually kill him".

    I do read the info, and I even follow the "sneaky" routes that are usually pointed out, but lot's of the time it just seems to stick me above or near the target, but not close enough to kill them outright.

    Don't target them till you get close. Targetting alerts them. I mean how would you feel if a suspicious dude is coming at you staring straight at you? Instead move untargetted slightly to the left or right of them and do the manual autotarget thing at the last second, where they get shaded but not locked.

    Practise on the guys harrassing people you have to save, you can usually run straight up to the more difficult captain type guy and stealth kill him, but if you target him manually they get alerted.

    One funny fuck up I remember doing this is an innocent tried to pass by too close to them and the target wandered over him just as I hit the flying leap.

    So I flying leap killed an innocent right in front of a group of armed guards.

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  • War BastardWar Bastard Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    exoplasm wrote: »
    Planning an assassination NEVER worked. EVERY single one of them turned out like: "OH SHIT AN ASSASSIN! GET HIM!" and then I scramble to chase down the target and kill him while fleeing guards. What did I do wrong?

    You played the game.

    Seriously, if I remember right there was only one actual target that you could kill before being spotted.

    Actually I do remember going through the game with killing the target before being spotted in mind and while you cannot do it for all of them you can do it for most of them.

    Hardest one was the guy on the scaffold who was executing people, it was hard to get close to the monks because of one of the retards in the crowd.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Argh I haven't finished the game yet I do it in bits and chunks.

    I haven't gotten to him. :(

    And I mean the thread is about a guy planning to buy it. :(

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    exoplasm wrote: »
    Planning an assassination NEVER worked. EVERY single one of them turned out like: "OH SHIT AN ASSASSIN! GET HIM!" and then I scramble to chase down the target and kill him while fleeing guards. What did I do wrong?

    You played the game.

    Seriously, if I remember right there was only one actual target that you could kill before being spotted.

    Actually I do remember going through the game with killing the target before being spotted in mind and while you cannot do it for all of them you can do it for most of them.

    Hardest one was the guy on the scaffold who was executing people, it was hard to get close to the monks because of one of the retards in the crowd.
    Well it's pretty easy the ones you can't do it on.

    Everyone in an obviously wide open space can be done though.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, I thank you guys for the tips. I would have never known some of this stuff (seriously, targeting someone draws attention?! Besides the kinda WTF aspect of it, I don't remember the game ever telling me that).

    I usually do open up the Save the Citizen fights though with a hidden-blade takedown on the hard guy. I suppose if I looked at those as mini-practices for assassinations, it would be helpful (I always wondered why those guards would just come at me once I had spent like 5 seconds in their area...I guess the targeting was the culprit).

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The game doesn't tell you a lot of things, to be honest.

    Like, it doesn't tell you that the shorter the length of the blade you wield, the tighter the timing is for combo and counter kills but the more likely they are to be lethal.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It also doesn't tell you that mashing the attack button after doing some of the non lethal counters will result in a lethal continuation. Eg he hits them in the face then if you hit sword again he stabs them in the gut. If you don't they just fall over.

    ALSO, if you knock someone over, untarget, hit stealth knife and immediately run over to them and stab them on the ground.

    If you get the timing right you can literally throw people into a wall and stab them the minute they hit the ground after the rebound. The stealth kill is available at any frame after or during he does the little release the blade thing and overtakes most other animations in the game when it's available.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It also doesn't tell you that mashing the attack button after doing some of the non lethal counters will result in a lethal continuation. Eg he hits them in the face then if you hit sword again he stabs them in the gut. If you don't they just fall over.

    ALSO, if you knock someone over, untarget, hit stealth knife and immediately run over to them and stab them on the ground.

    If you get the timing right you can literally throw people into a wall and stab them the minute they hit the ground after the rebound.
    If you get the timing right you can just counter with the hidden blade and never have to do combat ever.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It also doesn't tell you that mashing the attack button after doing some of the non lethal counters will result in a lethal continuation. Eg he hits them in the face then if you hit sword again he stabs them in the gut. If you don't they just fall over.

    ALSO, if you knock someone over, untarget, hit stealth knife and immediately run over to them and stab them on the ground.

    If you get the timing right you can literally throw people into a wall and stab them the minute they hit the ground after the rebound.
    If you get the timing right you can just counter with the hidden blade and never have to do combat ever.

    Yeah but if you don't you get your ass absolutely smashed.

    This way is easy for people new to the game and still increases their effectiveness.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Another fun thing is if you notice a nearby guard looking panicked as you kill one of his friends, you can quickly kill him using the hidden blade. He's too panicked to block you. I found that they'd get panicked most often when using the hidden blade counter.

    Also, when loading a level, sometimes the Animus voice gives a tip that involves something about breaking an enemy's legs. I never figured out how to do this. Is this even possible?

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yeah anytime they shy away you can hidden blade kill them for free. Just pull it out and stab em.

    It's the main reason the hidden blade works so well when you counter them they probably are really freaked out by aguy who can dodge every strike and kill people in one hit.

    So then you stab them too.

    If you are really good with counters the last guy or two will often break and run as well.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    exoplasm wrote: »
    Planning an assassination NEVER worked. EVERY single one of them turned out like: "OH SHIT AN ASSASSIN! GET HIM!" and then I scramble to chase down the target and kill him while fleeing guards. What did I do wrong?

    You played the game.

    Seriously, if I remember right there was only one actual target that you could kill before being spotted.
    People don't seem to realize this is how assassination worked in the middle ages. You didn't kill people in their sleep and sneak away with out ever being seen.

    You killed people right up in the faces to send a message to people. They even say this during the game! It's not trying to be Hitman in the middle ages.

    I never said that I minded the way it worked.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So I just found this.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I love to stab people with the hidden blade as they taunt me. So good.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    So I just found this.

    Heh.

    That sure would have been interesting.

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So I just started playing this and have been having a blast, but I do have a question about the game. Is it possible to kill someone by jumping off the roof and landing on them with the hidden blade? That would have made some parts easier, because I've seen some templars with their backs to a wall and it would be both easier and exceedingly badass to jump off a roof and kill them that way.

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  • exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SirUltimos wrote: »
    So I just started playing this and have been having a blast, but I do have a question about the game. Is it possible to kill someone by jumping off the roof and landing on them with the hidden blade? That would have made some parts easier, because I've seen some templars with their backs to a wall and it would be both easier and exceedingly badass to jump off a roof and kill them that way.

    You can kill someone from jumping off a roof or wall, but you have to be very close to them and it would be an action kill, not a stealth kill.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SirUltimos wrote: »
    So I just started playing this and have been having a blast, but I do have a question about the game. Is it possible to kill someone by jumping off the roof and landing on them with the hidden blade? That would have made some parts easier, because I've seen some templars with their backs to a wall and it would be both easier and exceedingly badass to jump off a roof and kill them that way.
    Yeah you have to like be looking over the edge then jump, target, and hit the button all in the span of like half a second. It's pretty hard to do but so great when it works.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The wall climbing was fine, the combat was fine, the missions were fine

    the terrible, terrible fucking AI totally ruins the game, though

    and the fact that "social stealth" was as much of a loaded marketing term as "blast processing"

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  • alaz502alaz502 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well...overall Yahtzee liked it. So that must mean something.

    As for me, I loved the hell out of this game. It played along well with my OCD tendencies and my love for religious conspiracies.

    I never bought into the hype initially though. That would explain why I also liked the original Fable when I played it.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I don't really mind bad ai if the player doesn't get interfered with, and Altair is a stupendous badass regardless of what the AI decide to do.

    That and I don't really see what is so bad about the AI, it's not really a step up from anything else in combat, but the people walking around in crowded areas look the part and do it so seamlessly you don't notice if it's good or bad.

    Most people don't notice that, but I do, and it's impressive to me considering the numbers on screen at any given time.

    But yeah the guards are dumb as bricks and that's the way I like em. *shunk*

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  • FeriluceFeriluce Adrift on the morning star. Aberdeen, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think after I finish off Mass Effect (yay achievement whores) I'll pick up this again and go 1000/1000 it. I really love this game, warts and all.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Feriluce wrote: »
    I think after I finish off Mass Effect (yay achievement whores) I'll pick up this again and go 1000/1000 it. I really love this game, warts and all.
    It's hard as balls to 1000 though due to all the flags...

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  • War BastardWar Bastard Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SirUltimos wrote: »
    So I just started playing this and have been having a blast, but I do have a question about the game. Is it possible to kill someone by jumping off the roof and landing on them with the hidden blade? That would have made some parts easier, because I've seen some templars with their backs to a wall and it would be both easier and exceedingly badass to jump off a roof and kill them that way.
    Yeah you have to like be looking over the edge then jump, target, and hit the button all in the span of like half a second. It's pretty hard to do but so great when it works.

    Easiest way I found was to target them first, then just hold down RT and hit A. Takes them out no problem so long as they are reasonably close.

    Great way to begin the fight in the save citizen missions. You just leap from the rooftops and crash onto the most badass looking guard, stand up and say "Who wants some?"

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  • FeriluceFeriluce Adrift on the morning star. Aberdeen, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Feriluce wrote: »
    I think after I finish off Mass Effect (yay achievement whores) I'll pick up this again and go 1000/1000 it. I really love this game, warts and all.
    It's hard as balls to 1000 though due to all the flags...

    I hate to, but I figure I'll just get a map for the flags. I've found the orbs in Crackdown and the smashes in Burnout Paradise (without a map for that one) so I know what I'm getting in to.

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's weird, but I actually find myself enjoying getting the flags. Now, my tune will probably change when I'm looking for the last 4 in the Kingdom, but there's just something satisfying about grabbing the flags.

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  • KraegerKraeger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Eh, getting all the flags really wasn't that hard. Just...time consuming.

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  • AiranAiran Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I liked it enough to complete the game, and I wanted to complete all the assignments but by god the final guard killing assignments were so frustrating that I gave up.

    As someone said, getting to the top of Acre Cathedral, moving the camera around, then diving down was bloody awesome.

    Ending sucked balls though. I was left wondering "ok what next?" for 15 minutes before I got bored and turned it off.

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  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    There was a lot of repetition, but the repetitious parts were so much fun. Especially climbing stuff and "save the villager from the gang of assholes".

    "You dare steal in my presence? That will cost you your life!!"

    Nothing like charging that guy at full speed leaping right into the middle of his group of thugs, and doing a hidden blade kill. The whole crew standing there stunned like D:D:D:D: for a second before you start in on them. Never gets old.

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  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    I actually just picked this up last night and thought "Yeah, why not." My fondest memory of my first playthrough was...
    Getting a perfect assassination on that mark that kept himself out on his boat. I was able to jump up on the boat and stealth kill him from behind before he even saw me and then hop back over the side without being seen by the guards. Only one of the main assassinations that I was acutally able to pull off like a real assassin. All the others just turned into all out brawls.

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  • bombboybombboy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've had this laying in my backlog for a couple of months now. Popped it in and was hooked instantaneously! I'm on Memory Block 4, last mission, so far. Really like the gameplay, nice visuals, very good feel of the era. A bit repetitive but the OCD in me took over. I must have all flags, all missions, all high points! Oh, and I'm a such a dick with the hidden blade... :)

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  • bombboybombboy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Great way to begin the fight in the save citizen missions. You just leap from the rooftops and crash onto the most badass looking guard, stand up and say "Who wants some?"

    Every opportunity I get I will try to do this. Many times I will get a chance to stab one or two more with the hidden blade before getting into combat. 8-)

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