Yeah, that's a possibility. Mining is still the worst gathering profession to level, but it's supposedly leagues better than it used to be.
Yeah, but wasn't blacksmithing also made a little easier as well? I definitely remember back in the dark ages, blacksmiths had to mine a lot of extra shit beyond what was needed for mining skill in order to get through the armorsmithing/weaponsmithing quests.
you don't have to do either of those quests to max level BS. They were optional, and yes the recipes for those did require more mats, but were not efficient in terms of skill increase/component, and thus are not counted towards your leveling the skill in almost all guides.
Not getting a specialization means you had a gimped version of the profession.
I never said I didn't get the specialization.. I just did it after I leveled. I ended up picking up the armorsmithing myself, but at the time, there were 2 items that made it worth it, and the mats were crazy. earthforge legs and truesilver breastplate. level 47 and 44 respectively. those two items did not make leveling to max any easier... just gave you a few pieces that were better than your BoE.BoP blues from dungeons and quests...
you could become an artisan blacksmith at level 35.. and get max skill of 300 at that time...Master Blacksmith to get from 300-375 wasn't introduced until BC (at this time you would have already leveled up to 300 and chosen your mastery if you wanted) and either way, none of the recipes from choosing are efficient in terms of leveling... so my point stands.
I have cheerfully never once been tempted to resub to FFXI.
About the only thing I miss is talking to my sister and her husband who live 18 hours away every day, but at the end that was all I was logging on for. So, so sick of it.
Made 24 Darkmoon cards yesterday and got TWO Nobles cards (Ace and Four).
RNG has swung the other direction for me. I made 7 Darkmoon cards the other day and got 3 nobles cards.
I did get 2 Prisms, 1 Undeath and a Chaos deck out of the deal though added from cards I had already but even those have dropped drastically in price. Prisms and Undeath are going for around 400-600g on Baelgun.
Not getting a specialization means you had a gimped version of the profession.
Which is a completely moot point in terms of leveling Blacksmithing now, because specializations are pretty worthless. My 450 smith doesn't even have one.
Since we're talking (I think) about the cost/effort of leveling professions now, I don't think it's particularly relevant how much they used to suck.
Not getting a specialization means you had a gimped version of the profession.
but the beginning of this discussion was on materials needed to level blacksmithing/engineering to max... which specializing in armorsmith or weaponsmith does not relate. (same for gnomish/goblin. yes you should specialize if you want to get max benefit of the tradeskill, but it is not necessary to level to max skill quickly.
And as Grundle pointed out, now there is almost no need for them, as neither skill offers much in terms of usable items at 80.
Not getting a specialization means you had a gimped version of the profession.
Which is a completely moot point in terms of leveling Blacksmithing now, because specializations are pretty worthless. My 450 smith doesn't even have one.
Since we're talking (I think) about the cost/effort of leveling professions now, I don't think it's particularly relevant how much they used to suck.
Actually, armorsmithing was awesome until they nerfed those pants to not be an infinite money machine a few weeks ago.
yeah. Legplates of Conquest apparently they used to sell for quite a bit more than the bars/earth's cost. Saronite would have had to be cheap on your server though. On mine I believe i was around 35g a stack, so I'm not sure I'd have made a profite
That's not really the games fault it's the people who devalue items at the AH that kill it. A lot of people list things for less then vendor for the sake of undercutting the other guy who undercut them to barely worth his time. It's crazy to me that the enchanting shards are worth less then the dusts and essences in wotlk, I remember getting pissed when I would de greens and get a shard over dusts, thats flawed economy to me, when the rare material that also is used as a currency is worth less then the common one theres something off.
Well, the other big factor is that they DE'd into a Dream Shard, which for many servers was worth even more than the vendor price. So they could be used to flood the economy with Dream Shards as well.
Whether or not the mats were devalued or whatever, just compare what those pants were worth vs. their mats to other similar level blacksmithing items vs. their mats. There was definitely a discrepancy.
I was scanning the AH a few days ago and found some BoE blues that were level 77+ selling for like 5g on the AH. Made a nice little profit by sending them to my enchanter.
Thorium really is the worst. 300-350, while loads better, is still kind of annoying because you need 2 ore per bar.
I'm pretty sure they nerfed that sometime in TBC and it's only 1 ore per now.
I mean I definitely remember it being 2per, and WoWhead only says it's one ore per bar now.
My preferred place to farm is the plaguelands. Rich thorium spawns fairly often in the two canyon things, the two areas in the mountains full of undead and mushroom trees, and the troll city in the NE. Make a circuit of those 5 areas and you can get those RTV spawns + some small thorium.
Either that or silithus, but I didn't like silithus because it's necessary to dismount and wander around the silithid hives every now and then to get the OCRTV spawns.
I used to do sweeps of Eastern Plaguelands, Burning Steppes, Un'Goro (Mithril sold for a decent price.) and Silithus was too tough for me to deal with. (I was an infrequent raider, and had a 60% speed mount. The people I competed with were mostly on 100% speed mounts.)
My DK on the other hand had a much easier time of it. Mostly because I put +5 mining on a pair of gloves that I equipped on him when I found a mine that was a few points out of reach for him.
Thorium really is the worst. 300-350, while loads better, is still kind of annoying because you need 2 ore per bar.
I'm pretty sure they nerfed that sometime in TBC and it's only 1 ore per now.
I mean I definitely remember it being 2per, and WoWhead only says it's one ore per bar now.
My preferred place to farm is the plaguelands. Rich thorium spawns fairly often in the two canyon things, the two areas in the mountains full of undead and mushroom trees, and the troll city in the NE. Make a circuit of those 5 areas and you can get those RTV spawns + some small thorium.
Either that or silithus, but I didn't like silithus because it's necessary to dismount and wander around the silithid hives every now and then to get the OCRTV spawns.
Thorium is one ore per bar. I was talking about the 300-350 range where you need fel iron and adamantite, which are 2 ore per bar.
I'm not saying that it's near the bitch that thorium is, but it's somewhat deceiving in that you have to mine twice what you think at first glance.
I find the best way to farm thorium (and make some good cash at the same time) is to farm DM East. There are now two to three RTVs in the tunnel behind the last boss. You just have to kill the satyr boss and the last boss in there to get to them technically, the majority of the trash can be skipped by 70s-80 level players.
Another 22 Darkmoon cards and got only three Nobles. what the hell is going on?
RNG is R.
I feel really bad for my guildmate thats been pumping me mats to make him a nobles deck. I can't imagine how much gold he's dropped so far and not one Nobles card has come out of it.
On the other hand, he's single handedly getting my Inscription to 450 at this rate.
All the while I've only made 3 cards for myself and got an Ace of Nobles.
So with Inscriptions money maker continually tanking in price I've decided to drop Herbing/Inscription for Mining and either Jewelcrafting or Blacksmithing. Which of JC and BS is the easier to level, which has the most benefit, and which makes more money?
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I'd say JC is probably slightly easier to level and makes more money.
Though have you concidered keeping herbing, dropping inscription and picking up mining? Two gathering professions are the best way to make money, bar none.
Ive thought about it, Ive also thought about keeping inscription and dropping herbing for JC or BS and finishing leveling my DK and putting Herbing and Mining on him. Im mainly thinking about Mining/JC since Im a tank and the 50 stam from mining and the 41 stam gems from JC are gonna boost my health a lot. The main reson I'm looking at switching is cause a lot of the guilds I'm applying to are all about min/maxing.
JC gives 51 stam, not 41 and JC/Mining is the highest stam combination currently, however if epic gems ever come out JC/BS will be better and it gives you more options if you have to dps or heal.
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I never said I didn't get the specialization.. I just did it after I leveled. I ended up picking up the armorsmithing myself, but at the time, there were 2 items that made it worth it, and the mats were crazy. earthforge legs and truesilver breastplate. level 47 and 44 respectively. those two items did not make leveling to max any easier... just gave you a few pieces that were better than your BoE.BoP blues from dungeons and quests...
you could become an artisan blacksmith at level 35.. and get max skill of 300 at that time...Master Blacksmith to get from 300-375 wasn't introduced until BC (at this time you would have already leveled up to 300 and chosen your mastery if you wanted) and either way, none of the recipes from choosing are efficient in terms of leveling... so my point stands.
Oh God. I feel for that guy. Thanks for reminding me never to resub FFXI...no matter how tempting it might become.
About the only thing I miss is talking to my sister and her husband who live 18 hours away every day, but at the end that was all I was logging on for. So, so sick of it.
RNG has swung the other direction for me. I made 7 Darkmoon cards the other day and got 3 nobles cards.
I did get 2 Prisms, 1 Undeath and a Chaos deck out of the deal though added from cards I had already but even those have dropped drastically in price. Prisms and Undeath are going for around 400-600g on Baelgun.
Which is a completely moot point in terms of leveling Blacksmithing now, because specializations are pretty worthless. My 450 smith doesn't even have one.
Since we're talking (I think) about the cost/effort of leveling professions now, I don't think it's particularly relevant how much they used to suck.
but the beginning of this discussion was on materials needed to level blacksmithing/engineering to max... which specializing in armorsmith or weaponsmith does not relate. (same for gnomish/goblin. yes you should specialize if you want to get max benefit of the tradeskill, but it is not necessary to level to max skill quickly.
And as Grundle pointed out, now there is almost no need for them, as neither skill offers much in terms of usable items at 80.
Infinite gbank repairs were SO nice.
Whether or not the mats were devalued or whatever, just compare what those pants were worth vs. their mats to other similar level blacksmithing items vs. their mats. There was definitely a discrepancy.
Fuck my life, fuck Winterspring, fuck Dark iron ore.
Hahaha, I'm kidding. If you have that kind of money you should buy the Traveller's Tundra Mammoth.
you don't really need Dark Iron ore to level
I'm pretty sure they nerfed that sometime in TBC and it's only 1 ore per now.
I mean I definitely remember it being 2per, and WoWhead only says it's one ore per bar now.
My preferred place to farm is the plaguelands. Rich thorium spawns fairly often in the two canyon things, the two areas in the mountains full of undead and mushroom trees, and the troll city in the NE. Make a circuit of those 5 areas and you can get those RTV spawns + some small thorium.
Either that or silithus, but I didn't like silithus because it's necessary to dismount and wander around the silithid hives every now and then to get the OCRTV spawns.
Winterspring is where I usually went, those demon caves in the south were usually deserted.
My DK on the other hand had a much easier time of it. Mostly because I put +5 mining on a pair of gloves that I equipped on him when I found a mine that was a few points out of reach for him.
Thorium is one ore per bar. I was talking about the 300-350 range where you need fel iron and adamantite, which are 2 ore per bar.
I'm not saying that it's near the bitch that thorium is, but it's somewhat deceiving in that you have to mine twice what you think at first glance.
I feel really bad for my guildmate thats been pumping me mats to make him a nobles deck. I can't imagine how much gold he's dropped so far and not one Nobles card has come out of it.
On the other hand, he's single handedly getting my Inscription to 450 at this rate.
All the while I've only made 3 cards for myself and got an Ace of Nobles.
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Like I said earlier, RNG hates me right now.
Die RNG! Die!
Sorry, rolled on it, you lost.
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Uh, I rolled a natural 20 and I have a +2 to attack thank you. I would like to stab it in the face now.
Now tell me what loot it dropped?
A Rat's Tail which sells to a vendor for about 30c
Though have you concidered keeping herbing, dropping inscription and picking up mining? Two gathering professions are the best way to make money, bar none.