While I disagree with some points of that overview, I do agree that the whole "status quo" thing really hasn't changed much, but that may not be Bendis's fault either. Assuming he had the same ending in mind when he formed the idea back in 2004, he may not have known the SHRA would be around in 2007. I was actually worried that SI would end the SHRA at first and I didn't want that so soon after Civil War. Any really people, Tony Stark is not Norman Osborn. Tony did what he thought was right. Norman is a piece of shit who will use his position for personal gain. And start a fuckin New World Order while he's at it.
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as far as the overall story goes, the outcomes of SI are pretty damn interesting. i don't get this "the status quo is the same!"
fucking norman osborn is in charge of shield and the dark avengers(i.e. thunderbolts) are the primary super hero team now.
not to mention the worldwide detestation and overall mistrust the invasion has lead to.
basically, the heroes are no longer in charge, how is that the same old 'status quo'?
Yeah, if anything my complaint was that Secret Invasion seems to exist only to change the status quo, with the story itself having no value independent of that.
as far as the overall story goes, the outcomes of SI are pretty damn interesting. i don't get this "the status quo is the same!"
fucking norman osborn is in charge of shield and the dark avengers(i.e. thunderbolts) are the primary super hero team now.
not to mention the worldwide detestation and overall mistrust the invasion has lead to.
basically, the heroes are no longer in charge, how is that the same old 'status quo'?
I think people are really looking for the world to get half nuked or somethng.
see, i don't think that's gonna happen.
the players would benefit nothing from a world that is destroyed. none of the people in the dark Illuminati group really want to see the world burn. they might want to rule it, but that is quite a bit different than destroying it.
hell, with their criminal connections they actually have the ability to guide crime in a different direction. a direction that may or may not actually be good for something.
edit: like the mafia. sure they are crimelords, but oftentimes the mafia owned parts of town are the safest and most prosperous.
Loki and Hood could very likely want the world in ruins.
How did Norman get in touch with Loki anyway?
I don't think the Hood wants to destroy the world or anything. He sort of reminds me of a career criminal, similar to a character from like The Usual Suspects or Pulp Fiction. He's just a guy who makes money by illegal means, it just so happens that he's bonded with a magical demon for his personal powers. If the Hood wanted the world to burn, he wouldn't have taken his criminal team to Central Park to assist in the Skrull battle royale.
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hood? i don't think so. the demon inside the hood? maybe.
Loki and Hood could very likely want the world in ruins.
How did Norman get in touch with Loki anyway?
I don't think the Hood wants to destroy the world or anything. He sort of reminds me of a career criminal, similar to a character from like The Usual Suspects or Pulp Fiction. He's just a guy who makes money by illegal means, it just so happens that he's bonded with a magical demon for his personal powers. If the Hood wanted the world to burn, he wouldn't have taken his criminal team to Central Park to assist in the Skrull battle royale.
'No more Earth is bad for business' sums up the Hood's motives pretty nicely.
Yeah, Dread Dormammu probably isn't interested in running a sustainable criminal operation.
Is there some sort of mini-series for the Hood I can get? He seems interesting.
there is in fact a "the hood" miniseries that introduces the character. it's by brian k vaughn, and is pretty good, though i never read the last issue. they just released a collection not too long ago, but i don't know if it's out in paperback yet.
Loki and Hood could very likely want the world in ruins.
Hardly. That'd be more along the lines of someone/thing from Hel.
My guess is that Norman sent her a message via Facebook. (Seriously, they need to write a story about Loki inventing the Internet. I'm so not kidding.)
He's going to abuse his power and kill people. If the Earth is a safer place for it, then that's only because it suits Osborn's purposes for it to be so.
Well, let's not kid ourselves. Nick Fury and Tony Stark also abused their power and killed people (though not necessarily together) all the time as directors of SHIELD. It's par for the course with institutions like SHIELD or HAMMER. The context depends on whether you think it's right or that the world is a better place for it.
mfb, who used to post here until he lost all of his available free time, brought up an interesting idea/point when he saw Hickman's diagram for Secret Warriors. "Is he trying to flip Hydra?" In the history of great espionage fiction, there is an ongoing theme of questioning whether someone is actually doing "good" for the world or not. It was one of the key themes of Sleeper, for example. When you and your enemy play by the same rules--that is, there are no rules--what allows you to claim a higher moral ground? A government charter? There are foreign government entities the U.S. lists as terrorists or frets over because sometimes they are indistinguishable from.
One of the things I have to wonder about Dark Reign is how much the world might really change. There's the public face and the accountability that HAMMER should supposedly face, which Osborne seems to know how to manipulate more skillfully than just about anyone else. And then there's life on the ground, where day to day the existence of HAMMER instead of SHIELD, etc. may or may not even matter to most people. But of course there is going to be the one sector, currently and continuing to be filled by heroes like the New Avengers, where they claim to answer to a higher moral authority than the government and are now posed to act against that government.
In all of these interviews, I've seen Bendis and company go "Oh yeah, it's great, Jessica Drew, Hank Pym, Mockingbird, new world, etc.". But have they really mentioned much about Elektra? What her plans are, or whether or not she'll see Daredevil?
In all of these interviews, I've seen Bendis and company go "Oh yeah, it's great, Jessica Drew, Hank Pym, Mockingbird, new world, etc.". But have they really mentioned much about Elektra? What her plans are, or whether or not she'll see Daredevil?
More than likely it's Brubaker who'll decide what to do with Elektra. His next Daredevil arc is about Kingpin returning so maybe we'll get to see her there.
He lost his mojo during WWH when he had to free Zom, and since then he was going downhill. He walked away when they discovered Elektra was a Skrull to walk the earth.
Jo Chen cover for NA: Reunion.
Here's some art from Andy Diggle for Thunderbolts
And here's the piece done by (a proper) artist Robert de la Torre. Notice the insignia on the shoulders.
Who was it that was saying Janet was an awful designer? (Maybe it was Bendis in a podcast). I mean, really, her biggest contribution to Carol's new costume was to give her a useless sash around her waist that could get torn off, caught in her legs, or used to grab and throw her with.
for me, maria hill has gone from being a character who was a minor irritant i assumed would shortly be washed away to a character i really like a lot and want other characters in the marvel universe to like. i hope she and iron man become bestest friends.
Wow, they actually gave her a bit of humanizing backstory. I almost feel kinda bad for her now. Maybe if they had written her like this from her the start, the readers would have liked her more.
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While I disagree with some points of that overview, I do agree that the whole "status quo" thing really hasn't changed much, but that may not be Bendis's fault either. Assuming he had the same ending in mind when he formed the idea back in 2004, he may not have known the SHRA would be around in 2007. I was actually worried that SI would end the SHRA at first and I didn't want that so soon after Civil War. Any really people, Tony Stark is not Norman Osborn. Tony did what he thought was right. Norman is a piece of shit who will use his position for personal gain. And start a fuckin New World Order while he's at it.
fucking norman osborn is in charge of shield and the dark avengers(i.e. thunderbolts) are the primary super hero team now.
not to mention the worldwide detestation and overall mistrust the invasion has lead to.
basically, the heroes are no longer in charge, how is that the same old 'status quo'?
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Exactly, Tony is a hero, no matter what people think of him now. I really didn't like the guy calling Marvel a "Police state" either in his synopsis.
I think people are really looking for the world to get half nuked or somethng.
see, i don't think that's gonna happen.
the players would benefit nothing from a world that is destroyed. none of the people in the dark Illuminati group really want to see the world burn. they might want to rule it, but that is quite a bit different than destroying it.
hell, with their criminal connections they actually have the ability to guide crime in a different direction. a direction that may or may not actually be good for something.
edit: like the mafia. sure they are crimelords, but oftentimes the mafia owned parts of town are the safest and most prosperous.
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How did Norman get in touch with Loki anyway?
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Of course, even then, there are people who'd bitch and moan that they were still on Earth...
I don't think the Hood wants to destroy the world or anything. He sort of reminds me of a career criminal, similar to a character from like The Usual Suspects or Pulp Fiction. He's just a guy who makes money by illegal means, it just so happens that he's bonded with a magical demon for his personal powers. If the Hood wanted the world to burn, he wouldn't have taken his criminal team to Central Park to assist in the Skrull battle royale.
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loki, perhaps.
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there is in fact a "the hood" miniseries that introduces the character. it's by brian k vaughn, and is pretty good, though i never read the last issue. they just released a collection not too long ago, but i don't know if it's out in paperback yet.
Yeah, there's a miniseries called The Hood. After that, there's Beyond!, which features him among the cast.
From there, just read his appearances in New Avengers.
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edit: i dunno why it says "new avengers" in there. thats the tpb for The Hood #1-6
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because his appearance in new avengers is the main reason they're still printing and selling that miniseries
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Hardly. That'd be more along the lines of someone/thing from Hel.
My guess is that Norman sent her a message via Facebook. (Seriously, they need to write a story about Loki inventing the Internet. I'm so not kidding.)
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Well, let's not kid ourselves. Nick Fury and Tony Stark also abused their power and killed people (though not necessarily together) all the time as directors of SHIELD. It's par for the course with institutions like SHIELD or HAMMER. The context depends on whether you think it's right or that the world is a better place for it.
mfb, who used to post here until he lost all of his available free time, brought up an interesting idea/point when he saw Hickman's diagram for Secret Warriors. "Is he trying to flip Hydra?" In the history of great espionage fiction, there is an ongoing theme of questioning whether someone is actually doing "good" for the world or not. It was one of the key themes of Sleeper, for example. When you and your enemy play by the same rules--that is, there are no rules--what allows you to claim a higher moral ground? A government charter? There are foreign government entities the U.S. lists as terrorists or frets over because sometimes they are indistinguishable from.
One of the things I have to wonder about Dark Reign is how much the world might really change. There's the public face and the accountability that HAMMER should supposedly face, which Osborne seems to know how to manipulate more skillfully than just about anyone else. And then there's life on the ground, where day to day the existence of HAMMER instead of SHIELD, etc. may or may not even matter to most people. But of course there is going to be the one sector, currently and continuing to be filled by heroes like the New Avengers, where they claim to answer to a higher moral authority than the government and are now posed to act against that government.
This is going to be fun.
More than likely it's Brubaker who'll decide what to do with Elektra. His next Daredevil arc is about Kingpin returning so maybe we'll get to see her there.
what happened to Strange?
Also I'm way more pumped about the fallout from SI than I was about SI itself. SI was bleh
Jo Chen cover for NA: Reunion.
Here's some art from Andy Diggle for Thunderbolts
And here's the piece done by (a proper) artist Robert de la Torre. Notice the insignia on the shoulders.
And a tweet from Diggle with spoilers for T-Bolts #129:
I hate IGN so much.
But I like the depiction of Maria Hill.
Wow, they actually gave her a bit of humanizing backstory. I almost feel kinda bad for her now. Maybe if they had written her like this from her the start, the readers would have liked her more.