I wasn't expecting anything else, I was just curious to see if my speculation about DA would turn out to be true. I stayed away from T-Bolts because I'm not a fan of a team of all around d-bags pretending to be heroes while really going around doing bad things as glorified government attack dogs, and DA looks basically the same.
Well I think this one is going to be a little more big picture driven.
T-bolts was just hunting down unregistered heroes. In Dark Avengers, Osborne has an agenda he is pushing. He'c creating the policy, not just enforcing it.
Well I think this one is going to be a little more big picture driven.
T-bolts was just hunting down unregistered heroes. In Dark Avengers, Osborne has an agenda he is pushing. He'c creating the policy, not just enforcing it.
Also I don't think Ares is an out and out asshole, and neither is the Sentry. Lotta pure villains on that team though. I guess it's called Dark Avengers for a reason.... :P We still have Mighty AND New for non-douchebag heroes.
I liked Ellis' run on Tbolts and I think I'll like this.
It still makes no sense that Marvel Boy would join them.
The whole thing is a complete idiot plot.
how so?
and re: marvel boy I'm just happy to have him in something
The idea that Goblin would actually be able to achieve that level of power and is an idiot plot unto itself (Hint:murderous psychopaths do not get clearances, for the most basic criticism). The rest of it is just moron icing on the stupid cake.
It still makes no sense that Marvel Boy would join them.
The whole thing is a complete idiot plot.
how so?
and re: marvel boy I'm just happy to have him in something
The idea that Goblin would actually be able to achieve that level of power and is an idiot plot unto itself (Hint:murderous psychopaths do not get clearances, for the most basic criticism). The rest of it is just moron icing on the stupid cake.
Thunderbolts is covering that plot hole right now, with Norman trying to cover for himseld and assure people he is neither crazy nor the Goblin.
It still makes no sense that Marvel Boy would join them.
I dunno, it's a villain Avengers team, and everybody on the team is or has been a villain at some time in the past. It is funny to me, though, that the DA are now as lopsided a team as the MA were compared to the NA.
It still makes no sense that Marvel Boy would join them.
The whole thing is a complete idiot plot.
how so?
and re: marvel boy I'm just happy to have him in something
The idea that Goblin would actually be able to achieve that level of power and is an idiot plot unto itself (Hint:murderous psychopaths do not get clearances, for the most basic criticism). The rest of it is just moron icing on the stupid cake.
Thunderbolts is covering that plot hole right now, with Norman trying to cover for himseld and assure people he is neither crazy nor the Goblin.
He does this by killing people.
Anyway, other then the Sentry, it's fairly obvious why the non ex-thunderbolts are on the roster.
Marvel Boy: Blackmail, or voluntary.
Daken: Fucking with his dad/recruited to become legit and get away from his handlers.
Ares: He's getting paid. It's the only reason why he joined Tony's Avengers in the first place. But he's probably the dark horse good guy on the team anyway.
And I really REALLY want to see some Moonstone/Ms. Marvel interaction. Moonstone was buy far my favorite character in pretty much every Thunderbolts incarnation.
Because in every single T-Bolts series, she's a psychoanalyst whorebitch, and she'll tell you that, to your face, just to fuck with you.
You're making the mistake of assuming that all of the information that the reader has (i.e. Norman needs to check his calm yo) is all of the information that the other characters have.
Re. Bob working for Osborn: I don't see the Sentry as being a guy willing to break with establishment, given that he is just such a broken down and needy character right now.
I know some if not all of you will dislike this idea, but with Daken on the team, I'd like to see Romulus make an apperance in DA, if not at least a mention. I'm just curious to see how Osborn would deal with this behind-the-scenes villain.
As for Noh-Varr, I think joining the Dark Avengers could be in part that he's all by himself now. His recruitment scene is in an empty Cube with him sitting in the dark. Osborn's offer gives him a chance to do something now that what little efforts he made in his 'conquering the world' have fallen flat. Not just take up the role of this reality's most famous Kree warrior but do it while being a part of something big too.
The thing is that his plan didn't fall flat, but never even got started.
Bendis saw the character's motivation and current path and decided that they were things that should be pushed out of the way as soon as possible, so he wrote two scenes with Noh-Varr in jail (first with Stark and then with Osborn) that made no damn sense and hoped that'd suffice as an explanation for his new direction.
The thing is that his plan didn't fall flat, but never even got started.
Bendis saw the character's motivation and current path and decided that they were things that should be pushed out of the way as soon as possible, so he wrote a scene between Noh-Varr and Stark in jail that made no damn sense and hoped that'd suffice.
How did it make no sense? The Illuminati stepped in to give Noh-Varr other options, so they wouldn't have to deal with him down the road as a new threat.
The thing is that his plan didn't fall flat, but never even got started.
Bendis saw the character's motivation and current path and decided that they were things that should be pushed out of the way as soon as possible, so he wrote a scene between Noh-Varr and Stark in jail that made no damn sense and hoped that'd suffice.
How did it make no sense? The Illuminati stepped in to give Noh-Varr other options, so they wouldn't have to deal with him down the road as a new threat.
It made no sense for him to accept Stark's definition of heroism when he's from an alien culture and sees our established power structure as something nefarious rather than an entity worthy of defense.
It makes even less sense for him to go along with Osborn, who represents everything wrong with government.
As for what happened with Ouiblette, I was under the impression that Morrison's Marvel Boy mini wasn't in-continuity.
The thing is that his plan didn't fall flat, but never even got started.
Bendis saw the character's motivation and current path and decided that they were things that should be pushed out of the way as soon as possible, so he wrote a scene between Noh-Varr and Stark in jail that made no damn sense and hoped that'd suffice.
How did it make no sense? The Illuminati stepped in to give Noh-Varr other options, so they wouldn't have to deal with him down the road as a new threat.
It doesn't make sense. Noh-Varr sees himself as better than every person on the planet. His intention was to make to world a better place so he could have somewhere decent to live, not to improve the lives of other people.
Sentry doesn't really fit well with the team, but it's not like he fit well with the last team either. Tony basically invited him out of fear and everyone kept him at arms length for the 2 arcs that MA existed for. He really needs to zoom out in to space and be a Galactus-like character that only gets brought in if things get really bad, because he just doesn't fit in a lot of normal stories.
I'm just going to pretend that the Noh-Varr from Marvel Boy is in a different reality. I still can't figure out how that book fits into 616 continuity, so I am going to pretend the Noh-Varr showing up now in Dark Avengers and whatnot is some other Noh-Varr.
I'm not fond of Daken either, not really sure where they're going with it or why they felt it necessary to include even MORE Wolverine into the Marvelverse.
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Otherwise I'm punching Reed right in the fucking face.
But, seriously, he can talk about that but gets all vague about stuff that's been revealed in solicits? Here's the secret. Osborne gives Rashid Ascension (which is a super-weapon) to cause some shit and justify his reign of power. There. Big secret out.
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Yeah, so DA is "Mighty T-Bolts" and T-Bolts is "New T-Bolts".
T-bolts was just hunting down unregistered heroes. In Dark Avengers, Osborne has an agenda he is pushing. He'c creating the policy, not just enforcing it.
Someone who read it should give us a spoilered rundown of the cast/their new identities.
Captain Marvel = Marvel Boy
The Sentry = The Sentry
Ms. Marvel = Moonstone
Ares = Ares
Wolverine = Daken
Hawkeye = Bullseye
Spider-Man = Venom
Also I don't think Ares is an out and out asshole, and neither is the Sentry. Lotta pure villains on that team though. I guess it's called Dark Avengers for a reason.... :P We still have Mighty AND New for non-douchebag heroes.
I liked Ellis' run on Tbolts and I think I'll like this.
how so?
and re: marvel boy I'm just happy to have him in something
Thunderbolts is covering that plot hole right now, with Norman trying to cover for himseld and assure people he is neither crazy nor the Goblin.
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I dunno, it's a villain Avengers team, and everybody on the team is or has been a villain at some time in the past. It is funny to me, though, that the DA are now as lopsided a team as the MA were compared to the NA.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
He does this by killing people.
Anyway, other then the Sentry, it's fairly obvious why the non ex-thunderbolts are on the roster.
Marvel Boy: Blackmail, or voluntary.
Daken: Fucking with his dad/recruited to become legit and get away from his handlers.
Ares: He's getting paid. It's the only reason why he joined Tony's Avengers in the first place. But he's probably the dark horse good guy on the team anyway.
And I really REALLY want to see some Moonstone/Ms. Marvel interaction. Moonstone was buy far my favorite character in pretty much every Thunderbolts incarnation.
Because in every single T-Bolts series, she's a psychoanalyst whorebitch, and she'll tell you that, to your face, just to fuck with you.
And occasionally, a nearly omnipotant whorebitch.
As for Noh-Varr, I think joining the Dark Avengers could be in part that he's all by himself now. His recruitment scene is in an empty Cube with him sitting in the dark. Osborn's offer gives him a chance to do something now that what little efforts he made in his 'conquering the world' have fallen flat. Not just take up the role of this reality's most famous Kree warrior but do it while being a part of something big too.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Bendis saw the character's motivation and current path and decided that they were things that should be pushed out of the way as soon as possible, so he wrote two scenes with Noh-Varr in jail (first with Stark and then with Osborn) that made no damn sense and hoped that'd suffice as an explanation for his new direction.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
How did it make no sense? The Illuminati stepped in to give Noh-Varr other options, so they wouldn't have to deal with him down the road as a new threat.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
It made no sense for him to accept Stark's definition of heroism when he's from an alien culture and sees our established power structure as something nefarious rather than an entity worthy of defense.
It makes even less sense for him to go along with Osborn, who represents everything wrong with government.
As for what happened with Ouiblette, I was under the impression that Morrison's Marvel Boy mini wasn't in-continuity.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Now I picture him walking up to the other gods on Olympus waving a fistfull of cash, all "BEHOLD! The American dollars!"
It doesn't make sense. Noh-Varr sees himself as better than every person on the planet. His intention was to make to world a better place so he could have somewhere decent to live, not to improve the lives of other people.
Okay, if he dies in the first issue I can read it.
So yeah, looks like I'm not renewing my subscription to this book. Marvel seems to be actively trying to get me to stop buying their mainline books.
Otherwise I'm punching Reed right in the fucking face.
But, seriously, he can talk about that but gets all vague about stuff that's been revealed in solicits? Here's the secret. Osborne gives Rashid Ascension (which is a super-weapon) to cause some shit and justify his reign of power. There. Big secret out.
She wasn't in CW: Runaways/YA, was she?