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Retired NFL players sue for video game royalties, claim exclusivity hurt them

cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Games and Technology
And now for something completely different: 2,000 retired NFL players are suing the NFL Player's Association over lost royalties from video games.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1126505&srvc=rss

Apparently they're complaining the union cut them out of licensing deals in favor of active players or high-profile retirees, even though they supposedly do have licensing agreements. As proof, the retirees point to a 2001 letter from an NFLPA executive telling EA to scramble the images of retired players in "Madden NFL," otherwise the company would have to pay them.

Some hall of famers got a total of $400,000 from EA for a special edition of Madden, but they're claiming -- and this is why you should care -- they'd have gotten more from a competitor. You'll remember EA has the exclusive rights to the NFL.
Early last year, NFLPA executive Clay Walker told union lawyer Joe Nahra that he forged a deal that gave EA exclusive rights to the Hall of Fame players at "significantly below market." Walker said that Take Two Interactive probably would have paid more to the Hall of Famers to create a rival video game.

This might go interesting places.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    400K for an individual player?

    Woo.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Nonono, $400,000 for all of them. That's peanuts.

    Admittedly there's only the smallest of chances that this case would progress far enough to actually nullify EA's exclusivity. Much more likely they'll settle out of court and some money will be paid.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Wow that really is getting a pretty short end of some stick.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Nonono, $400,000 for all of them. That's peanuts.

    Admittedly there's only the smallest of chances that this case would progress far enough to actually nullify EA's exclusivity. Much more likely they'll settle out of court and some money will be paid.
    It does give other publishers some ammo to push the monopoly issue with the government though.

    Honestly the NFL is already on thin ice and if it wasn't so beloved it'd be broken up like the teleco's were.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008

    Honestly the NFL is already on thin ice and if it wasn't so beloved it'd be broken up like the teleco's were.

    I'm having a hard time imagining this. Regional football leagues?

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  • spookymuffinspookymuffin ( ° ʖ ° ) Puyallup WA Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm not a fan of Madden, or football games in general, but I'm certainly not a fan of EA holding the rights to NFL. There has to be some competition in the market to avoid a game being released with little more than just a roster update. I'm really hoping this opens the door for 2K and other developers to put out games that force Madden to work harder to get the football crowd.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
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    Honestly the NFL is already on thin ice and if it wasn't so beloved it'd be broken up like the teleco's were.

    I'm having a hard time imagining this. Regional football leagues?

    Oh, I don't have an answer to it but they're definitely acting in manners that draw the attention of anti-trust issues. I don't think they could fix it without huge political outfall and fucking the game up but it likely violates the spirit of the law.

    Nobody in government will say this because they'd be crushed in an election or by somebody who had to face an election.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Nonono, $400,000 for all of them. That's peanuts.

    Admittedly there's only the smallest of chances that this case would progress far enough to actually nullify EA's exclusivity. Much more likely they'll settle out of court and some money will be paid.
    Oh. For a while there you had be thinking if 400k is peanuts in the US.

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  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Retired football players get the shaft in every way possible. The NFL has fucked the majority of them over as well.

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

    Seriously, what?

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Retired football players get the shaft in every way possible. The NFL has fucked the majority of them over as well.
    How much do NFL players get paid?

    I know English footballers (soccer) get paid a fuck load.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Inzigna wrote: »
    Retired football players get the shaft in every way possible. The NFL has fucked the majority of them over as well.
    How much do NFL players get paid?

    I know English footballers (soccer) get paid a fuck load.

    They get paid millions but not as much as baseball or basketball, or I suppose soccer, players since each team has to field a lot of players.

    Also the NFL has pretty tight salary cap rules which hurts them as well.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    According to USA Today, the median salary of a player in 2007 was $770,000 per year.

    Though keep in mind that all but the biggest stars are more or less abandoned by the NFL when they retire, so unless they've been reasonably responsible with their money while they're active they're more or less fucked.

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  • CyrixdCyrixd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Inzigna wrote: »
    Retired football players get the shaft in every way possible. The NFL has fucked the majority of them over as well.
    How much do NFL players get paid?

    I know English footballers (soccer) get paid a fuck load.

    They get paid millions but not as much as baseball or basketball, or I suppose soccer, players since each team has to field a lot of players.

    Also the NFL has pretty tight salary cap rules which hurts them as well.

    Not in the U.S.; Major League Soccer players get paid very minimally, even the stars are subjected to a $300,000 salary cap. That is, unless your name begins with B and ends with Eck-Ham, then you get essentially anything you want.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    EA doesn't have exclusive rights to the NFL, only to active players- see this. If somebody wanted to make a game full of all retired players, they could.

    It sucks that these guys aren't making any money but most of them aren't in any video game at all. I suspect this is going nowhere if they're going to try to build the suit based entirely on what another company might have paid.

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  • mescalitomescalito Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    According to USA Today, the median salary of a player in 2007 was $770,000 per year.

    Though keep in mind that all but the biggest stars are more or less abandoned by the NFL when they retire, so unless they've been reasonably responsible with their money while they're active they're more or less fucked.

    The way salary works in the NFL is that you get a lowish salary, but you are entitled to a fuckload of bonuses and incentives.

    for example, you could sign with a team for 1 million a season, but get a 15 million dollar signing bonus or playoff bonuses - that's how they skirt the cap since it's a separate deal

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  • obolon84obolon84 Good news, everyone! I just blue myself.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

    Yeah... Isn't that pretty much the definition of team sports leagues?

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  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    obolon84 wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

    Yeah... Isn't that pretty much the definition of team sports leagues?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    obolon84 wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

    Yeah... Isn't that pretty much the definition of team sports leagues?

    Maybe he's upset that American leagues don't have relegation?

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    obolon84 wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    The Madden games really do remind me of how football actually is here. Pretty much the same stuff over and over and over again with a new roster and everyone goes insane for it.

    what?

    Yeah... Isn't that pretty much the definition of team sports leagues?

    Maybe he's upset that American leagues don't have relegation?
    More or less. There's no real incentive for anyone to work hard. Big players get paid millions regardless of how well they play, ect. Just do whatever you want with out anyone really arguing.

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    On topic, I don't understand how EA got a monopoly in the first place. Aren't monopolies illegal?

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ugh, there's a lot of troll talk and incorrect stuff being spouted regarding the NFL in general here, but this is G&T, not DD/SE++ so I'm not going to bother responding to that (and I suggest others do the same).

    Anyway, back to the suit, I would love to see this result in EA losing exclusivity to NFL players (although admittedly, I don't know how actually likely that'll happen). I'm one of the many gamers who thought NFL 2K5 was better than Madden at the time (and cheaper too!), and saddened to see the competition vanish.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    psyck0 wrote: »
    On topic, I don't understand how EA got a monopoly in the first place. Aren't monopolies illegal?
    I don't think you can monopolize a sub genre of video games.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    JCRooks wrote: »
    Ugh, there's a lot of troll talk and incorrect stuff being spouted regarding the NFL in general here, but this is G&T, not DD/SE++ so I'm not going to bother responding to that (and I suggest others do the same).

    Anyway, back to the suit, I would love to see this result in EA losing exclusivity to NFL players (although admittedly, I don't know how actually likely that'll happen). I'm one of the many gamers who thought NFL 2K5 was better than Madden at the time (and cheaper too!), and saddened to see the competition vanish.

    However, Microsoft is never allowed to make an NFL game again.

    Just... no.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mescalito wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    According to USA Today, the median salary of a player in 2007 was $770,000 per year.

    Though keep in mind that all but the biggest stars are more or less abandoned by the NFL when they retire, so unless they've been reasonably responsible with their money while they're active they're more or less fucked.

    The way salary works in the NFL is that you get a lowish salary, but you are entitled to a fuckload of bonuses and incentives.

    for example, you could sign with a team for 1 million a season, but get a 15 million dollar signing bonus or playoff bonuses - that's how they skirt the cap since it's a separate deal

    Until the teams realize the all those high first round draft picks actually suck so they cut them and then take them to court to recover most of the "guaranteed" money.


    Of the 4 major sports, I feel football players get treated the worst.

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  • dasnoobdasnoob ArkansasRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    psyck0 wrote: »
    On topic, I don't understand how EA got a monopoly in the first place. Aren't monopolies illegal?

    This is a good explanation:
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080930-lawsuit-nflpa-conspired-with-ea-to-cheat-retired-players.html

    Sounds like Clay Walker (an NFLPA executive) arranged for EA to get this deal in exchange for unnamed favors:
    NFLPA executive Clay Walker basically lays out the favoritism in this internal e-mail. "I was able to forge this deal with the [Hall of Fame] that provides them with 400K per year (which is significantly below market rate) in exchange for the HOF player rights. EA owes me a huge favor because of that threat was enough to persuade Take Two to back off its plans, leaving EA as the only professional football videogame manufacturer out there." How Walker expected to be repaid for these alleged activities in unknown.
    Andrew Feffer, executive vice president and chief operating officer of the NFLPA wrote to EA Sports' representative Paul Cairns that "Clay and Joe's negotiation of these discounted terms was a significant contribution to EA as you more than likely would have paid in excess of $1 million for these rights without their involvement and assistance." In other words, you saved a cool million because you had people negotiating who weren't hoping to strike the best deal for the players.

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    JCRooks wrote: »
    Ugh, there's a lot of troll talk and incorrect stuff being spouted regarding the NFL in general here, but this is G&T, not DD/SE++ so I'm not going to bother responding to that (and I suggest others do the same).

    Anyway, back to the suit, I would love to see this result in EA losing exclusivity to NFL players (although admittedly, I don't know how actually likely that'll happen). I'm one of the many gamers who thought NFL 2K5 was better than Madden at the time (and cheaper too!), and saddened to see the competition vanish.

    However, Microsoft is never allowed to make an NFL game again.

    Just... no.

    FYI, MS only did the NFL Fever franchise back then because EA wasn't developing for the original Xbox. Once Madden started coming out, there was no need for that franchise anymore. Fast forward several years and my how things have changed, with the 360 being very popular for Madden and Peter Moore now head of EA Sports.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Andrew Feffer, executive vice president and chief operating officer of the NFLPA wrote to EA Sports' representative Paul Cairns that "Clay and Joe's negotiation of these discounted terms was a significant contribution to EA as you more than likely would have paid in excess of $1 million for these rights without their involvement and assistance." In other words, you saved a cool million because you had people negotiating who weren't hoping to strike the best deal for the players.

    :shock:

    That, uh. Wow. The players' lawyers will have a field day with that one.

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