I hate the Wii. I have all three consoles and this sees the least action out of all off them.
Do you watch the olympics and see the 3 medal winners, and hate whoever got the bronze? You can like the other two more without hating the third you know.
And Drunken Ghost, just say 'The Nintendogs are clogging up the tubes.' Just say it. It encompasses your position perfectly.
Nope, I don't hate the guy who got the bronze. I didn't spend $250 on him and wait out in the freezing cold to reserve a spot in front of the TV.
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SirUltimosDon't talk, Rusty. Just paint.Registered Userregular
edited October 2008
That reminds me of something. The Wii is the first console I've ever seen that people can actually seriously say that they hate. Sure, in the past there have people who would dislike a console, sometime for reasons such as "teh kiddy" or "teh hueg", but never have I seen people flat out opposed to a console's existence.
Personally, I think it's because the first console I can think of that didn't try to make a huge jump in power from it's predecessor. It seems that there are people on the internet who find this to be a slap in the face and so completely outside what they're used to that that they hate the thing. That, and they're afraid that it will work and all future consoles will follow the Wii's lead and not have as great a jump in power.
ChewyWaffles, I'm not saying this is you at all, but you just reminded me of it.
I hate the Wii. I have all three consoles and this sees the least action out of all off them.
Why is that? How many games have you tried on it? There's a lot of great stuff out there to play.
This is about the fifth person I've asked about this in this thread, but invariably they don't return, wanting only to take a quick shit and flee the scene.
Nah, I'm not trolling, I really do hate the damn thing. Nintendo may have been proven right by the masses, but I hate how the thing's underpowered, and like it or not the lack of power affects gameplay.
I've played all the major first-party exclusives and all the major 3rd party exclusives (that last one was a joke) - Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc. Wii Sports was and still is the best thing about the Wii - at least when you get a bunch of friends over you can have a beer and knock down some pins.
So like, you played Mario Galaxy and got 10 stars and put it down? Or you got everything and enjoyed it but just haven't gone back?
What do you mean that the lack of power affects gameplay? In Metroid Prime 3, was there not enough dudes to shoot onscreen at once? Was the reticule laggy and the system just couldn't keep up?
I suppose you could mean that graphics affect gameplay, and graphics are impacted by the lack of power, but I still find that rather weak. It's not as if Mario's physics were terrible and unplayable, or the zombies in Umbrella Chronicles were so drab that you couldn't see them to hit them.
I'm not trolling either, I just want to understand. I'm guessing the primary reason you hate it is because you can't stand to play brightly colored games like De Blob?
That reminds me of something. The Wii is the first console I've ever seen that people can actually seriously say that they hate. Sure, in the past there have people who would dislike a console, sometime for reasons such as "teh kiddy" or "teh hueg", but never have I seen people flat out opposed to a console's existence.
Personally, I think it's because the first console I can think of that didn't try to make a huge jump in power from it's predecessor. It seems that there are people on the internet who find this to be a slap in the face and so completely outside what they're used to that that they hate the thing. That, and they're afraid that it will work and all future consoles will follow the Wii's lead and not have as great a jump in power.
ChewyWaffles, I'm not saying this is you at all, but you just reminded me of it.
I actually almost hated the Xbox, but I suspect that is not a matter for this thread.
That reminds me of something. The Wii is the first console I've ever seen that people can actually seriously say that they hate. Sure, in the past there have people who would dislike a console, sometime for reasons such as "teh kiddy" or "teh hueg", but never have I seen people flat out opposed to a console's existence.
Personally, I think it's because the first console I can think of that didn't try to make a huge jump in power from it's predecessor. It seems that there are people on the internet who find this to be a slap in the face and so completely outside what they're used to that that they hate the thing. That, and they're afraid that it will work and all future consoles will follow the Wii's lead and not have as great a jump in power.
ChewyWaffles, I'm not saying this is you at all, but you just reminded me of it.
It's not a bad theory. The lack of good 3rd party games killed it for me, and it's entirely Nintendo's fault for providing an underpowered platform for developers to work on.
I hate the Wii. I have all three consoles and this sees the least action out of all off them.
Do you watch the olympics and see the 3 medal winners, and hate whoever got the bronze? You can like the other two more without hating the third you know.
And Drunken Ghost, just say 'The Nintendogs are clogging up the tubes.' Just say it. It encompasses your position perfectly.
I though it was "Nintendo Dogs". That attention to a lack of attention to detail seems important.
That reminds me of something. The Wii is the first console I've ever seen that people can actually seriously say that they hate. Sure, in the past there have people who would dislike a console, sometime for reasons such as "teh kiddy" or "teh hueg", but never have I seen people flat out opposed to a console's existence.
Personally, I think it's because the first console I can think of that didn't try to make a huge jump in power from it's predecessor. It seems that there are people on the internet who find this to be a slap in the face and so completely outside what they're used to that that they hate the thing. That, and they're afraid that it will work and all future consoles will follow the Wii's lead and not have as great a jump in power.
ChewyWaffles, I'm not saying this is you at all, but you just reminded me of it.
I hate the Wii. I have all three consoles and this sees the least action out of all off them.
Why is that? How many games have you tried on it? There's a lot of great stuff out there to play.
This is about the fifth person I've asked about this in this thread, but invariably they don't return, wanting only to take a quick shit and flee the scene.
Nah, I'm not trolling, I really do hate the damn thing. Nintendo may have been proven right by the masses, but I hate how the thing's underpowered, and like it or not the lack of power affects gameplay.
I've played all the major first-party exclusives and all the major 3rd party exclusives (that last one was a joke) - Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc. Wii Sports was and still is the best thing about the Wii - at least when you get a bunch of friends over you can have a beer and knock down some pins.
So like, you played Mario Galaxy and got 10 stars and put it down? Or you got everything and enjoyed it but just haven't gone back?
What do you mean that the lack of power affects gameplay? In Metroid Prime 3, was there not enough dudes to shoot onscreen at once? Was the reticule laggy and the system just couldn't keep up?
I suppose you could mean that graphics affect gameplay, and graphics are impacted by the lack of power, but I still find that rather weak. It's not as if Mario's physics were terrible and unplayable, or the zombies in Umbrella Chronicles were so drab that you couldn't see them to hit them.
I'm not trolling either, I just want to understand. I'm guessing the primary reason you hate it is because you can't stand to play brightly colored games like De Blob?
I enjoyed Mario; I enjoyed Zelda; I enjoyed Mario Kart; I got bored with Metroid. Those are all stellar first-party games. If all Wii games were of this quality I'd have no complaint, but let's be real - you can't do environments like those in GTA IV, Crackdown, or Assassin's Creed on the Wii. That's how I say an underpowered platform affects gameplay. It affects immersion. I suppose if I was 10 and the Wii was one of my first consoles I'd have no problem with it - but I'm far older and expect more out of my games these days than I did when I young. (This is not meant to be an insult to anyone who likes the Wii, though.) I dunno. I'm not pretending to have scientific proof that the Wii sucks, of course - only that I had high hopes for it and I'm as surprised as anyone to find the fun-factor lag behind even that of the insipid PS3.
I approve of "underpowered" platforms. The sooner developers stop chasing the spectre of photorealism, the better.
Pandora's Box is open, and it won't be closed. Graphics and processing power is an arms race and the Wii is an anomaly that outsold everything purely on the hype of its controller and the promise of can't-miss first party titles. There's no going back unless the market entirely implodes. That is to say, I don't see the PS3 or the next Xbox going the route of the Wii in offering "this-gen" power.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited October 2008
The Nintendo Wii: Some people like it and some people don't.
Well I guess that makes sense, and to me that doesn't seem the same as hating it, but you can word it however you like. Like I have been saying there is a lot more that is good on the system, less if you're into killing people I suppose, but we don't all have the means to try out everything somebody recommends on the internet.
Well I guess that makes sense, and to me that doesn't seem the same as hating it, but you can word it however you like. Like I have been saying there is a lot more that is good on the system, less if you're into killing people I suppose, but we don't all have the means to try out everything somebody recommends on the internet.
Yah, sorry. Hate is too strong a word. Severely disappointed would be more like it. "Hate" is just the first thing that comes out of my mouth when I want to drop a one-liner about the Wii.
The Nintendo Wii: Some people like it and some people don't.
The Nintendo Wii: It's ok, I guess.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited October 2008
I have no problem with the Wii existing and I have loved several Wii games but a lot of the stuff people talk about on here just don't do much for me. I end up disappointed in the controls oftentimes. Example: Madden on the Wii. I loved the idea of the controls but the execution wasn't there.
Now, RE4 on the Wii is the best version bar none.
I think I will definitely end up with another Wii down the road. Mario Galaxy is in my top 5 games released this generation and it is loads of fun when you get a group of people together to play. I know it will always exist as my "second" console behind the 360 for pretty much everything multi-console.
I think it's a take it or leave it kind of thing. The complaints are that the environments are worse... but the wii controls can be better. I would gladly take RE4Wii or Mario Galaxy over GTAIV because the controls are simply more emersive.
Not to say I don't think a cheap system with great graphics and great controls wouldn't be awesome.
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I think it's a take it or leave it kind of thing. The complaints are that the environments are worse... but the wii controls can be better. I would gladly take RE4Wii or Mario Galaxy over GTAIV because the controls are simply more emersive.
Not to say I don't think a cheap system with great graphics and great controls wouldn't be awesome.
I find GTA IV's vehicle controls incredibly immersive, the learning curve is just really long.
I think it's a take it or leave it kind of thing. The complaints are that the environments are worse... but the wii controls can be better. I would gladly take RE4Wii or Mario Galaxy over GTAIV because the controls are simply more emersive.
Not to say I don't think a cheap system with great graphics and great controls wouldn't be awesome.
I find GTA IV's vehicle controls incredibly immersive, the learning curve is just really long.
I have to agree with jack eddy on this one. I don't like feeling like I'm driving a rubber band car.
I approve of "underpowered" platforms. The sooner developers stop chasing the spectre of photorealism, the better.
Pandora's Box is open, and it won't be closed. Graphics and processing power is an arms race and the Wii is an anomaly that outsold everything purely on the hype of its controller and the promise of can't-miss first party titles. There's no going back unless the market entirely implodes. That is to say, I don't see the PS3 or the next Xbox going the route of the Wii in offering "this-gen" power.
I don't know, I think the fallout of $600 launches and massive crashes in market share might teach the industry a lesson it should have learned long ago: yes, graphics matter - but only to a point. PS2 to Xbox? By and large, no one gives a shit. Wii to PS3? Not going to cut it again unless you bundle it with a telepathic controller.
I think you'll see more aiming for the lowest common denominator - identify a range of licensable game engines likely to be widely used in the next gen (Unreal 4, Crysis, whatever it may be) and very carefully make a machine just capable of running them all. There's a reason the market leader each generation tends to not have the most graphical or technical punch - it's a crapload cheaper and most casual observers can barely tell the difference anyway.
I don't know, I think the fallout of $600 launches and massive crashes in market share might teach the industry a lesson it should have learned long ago: yes, graphics matter - but only to a point. PS2 to Xbox? By and large, no one gives a shit. Wii to PS3? Not going to cut it again unless you bundle it with a telepathic controller.
Heh. Are you honestly saying that this generation is teaching companies that a graphical gap like the one from Wii to PS3 is a serious hindrance to their console? Because it's only a hindrance to your internet cred, not your coffers.
I might not understand because the first half of your paragraph makes perfect sense but as far as seeing the Wii "not cutting it," I don't think the industry is seeing things that way at all.
I don't know, I think the fallout of $600 launches and massive crashes in market share might teach the industry a lesson it should have learned long ago: yes, graphics matter - but only to a point. PS2 to Xbox? By and large, no one gives a shit. Wii to PS3? Not going to cut it again unless you bundle it with a telepathic controller.
Heh. Are you honestly saying that this generation is teaching companies that a graphical gap like the one from Wii to PS3 is a serious hindrance to their console? Because it's only a hindrance to your internet cred, not your coffers.
I might not understand because the first half of your paragraph makes perfect sense but as far as seeing the Wii "not cutting it," I don't think the industry is seeing things that way at all.
I was more alluding to the Wii's exaggeration of the general trend driving home the point; I legitimately DON'T think another console as relatively underpowered as the Wii will sell well. It took a perfect storm of $600 competition, unique shift in target market (with a perfect piece of relevant software), and radical new offering in a different technical sphere (the controller, obviously) to make the Wii a success. It took a gap as wide as the Wii has survived to make the point, but I highly doubt anyone will count on the stars aligning like they did for the Wii when planning their next console - almost to the point of making a cock eating bet in the case of Sony and MS.
The smarter move would be to minimize hardware costs by doing the bare minimum necessary to keep up graphically with the 'current gen' level of tech. I think most would agree that the Wii would have been a better system by far had it taken this route, and I'd even be willing to bet that it could have come out at a similar pricepoint (or at least sold at around the same $250 point for most of its LTD) if Nintendo had focused their technical efforts on achieving that rather than the small size/low power path they actually followed.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited October 2008
You know, I'm sure someone has said this already but it just occurred to me. They should make a Mario Paint for Wii. Or at least something similar. I absolutely loved Mario Paint.
So you still only play Wii Sports and Fit, and not those Cube games or any VC stuff? I guess that's more than I can say for most systems, I hardly play anything regularly or repeatedly. To have two games you can play anytime is awesome.
I rarely play the Cube games these days. Seeing those cheap GC games in my games shop triggered my hoarding tendencies and I bought more than I actually wanted. I do play the VC games, but the only native Wii games I play are still Wii Sports and Wii Fit. After two years, that's a lot less than I expected.
Unless you mean by your statement that you greatly disliked every other game, in which case I would say that you haven't looked hard enough.
My biggest problem with Wii games are the controls. I feel that they work close to perfectly in Wii Sports & Fit, very good in Excite Truck and Mario Kart, and then not so good in the games I've played. It's not Red Steel bad, but I often feel that I would prefer to play this or that game with a traditional controller, which sort of goes against everything the Wii is about.
Like I added to my previous post, I see the Wii as a wonderful retro machine that plays Wii games as a bonus, not the other way around.
Some of the control schemes on some 360 games is absolutely maddening.
Still funny.
Anyway, I'd like to post a list of Wii games, just because they're the ones that I think are good games. Say what you will about Nintendo, their philosophy this gen, how it was a fluke, a fad, an impossible anomaly that will never occur again, Nintendo knows how to produce fun like few others can manage.
The following Wii games I think are pretty damned good.
Super Mario Galaxy
World of Goo
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Okami
Tetris Party
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Bomberman Blast
Art Style: ORBIENT
Zack & Wiki
Boom Blox
Super Paper Mario
Mega Man 9
No More Heroes
Bully: Scholarship Edition
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Mario Kart Wii
de Blob
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
Rock Band
Wii Fit
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episodes 1 & 2
LostWinds
Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Mario Strikers Charged
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Sam & Max: Season One
Mercury Meltdown Revolution
Wario Land: Shake It!
Art Style: CUBELLO
Trauma Center: New Blood
Wii Sports
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
Elebits
Excite Truck
Battalion Wars 2
Endless Ocean
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Dr. Mario Online RX
Lego Batman
Ghost Squad
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Samba de Amigo
Link's Crossbow Training
Mario Super Sluggers
Magnetica Twist
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Wii Music
Star Soldier R
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
You may disagree with every single title on the list, you may point out that a number of them are multi-platform, but for me at least the system has more than enough titles to be worth the cost of ownership.
Of course... I could post an equally lengthy list of 360 games, but that's beside the point.
[That is to say, I don't see the PS3 or the next Xbox going the route of the Wii in offering "this-gen" power.
What they will do? Continue business model that doesn't work and has cause over 10 billion dollars worth of loss? Sony's and Microsoft's business model simply doesn't work if you don't gain total domination.
I think it's a take it or leave it kind of thing. The complaints are that the environments are worse... but the wii controls can be better. I would gladly take RE4Wii or Mario Galaxy over GTAIV because the controls are simply more emersive.
Not to say I don't think a cheap system with great graphics and great controls wouldn't be awesome.
I find GTA IV's vehicle controls incredibly immersive, the learning curve is just really long.
I have to agree with jack eddy on this one. I don't like feeling like I'm driving a rubber band car.
I don't think I've played a GTA game that had realistic driving. So GTA4 would be holding true to its roots. The game "plays and feels" like previous versions... If GTA4 came out as "totally realistic", then people would complain that it doesn’t feel like GTA. You can't please everybody. As a fan of GTA since GTA1, and playing them through the years, I really enjoy GTA4 (I realize it's nothing like GTA1, but closer to GTA3 and so on), and I'm totally ok with how cars drive and feel. I was never expecting a GT racer game. (That’s what GT5 is for)
As for graphics, I don't really understand why people wouldn't want a crisper picture, higher textures or a higher resolution. I don't think graphics really add to the "fun" factor in games, but nice graphics doesn't hurt a game. Why else do people cream over "HD" remakes of older games. If Mario Galaxy were to come out in full 1080p with high textures, more polys, same gameplay... why not take it?
I approve of "underpowered" platforms. The sooner developers stop chasing the spectre of photorealism, the better.
Pandora's Box is open, and it won't be closed. Graphics and processing power is an arms race and the Wii is an anomaly that outsold everything purely on the hype of its controller and the promise of can't-miss first party titles. There's no going back unless the market entirely implodes. That is to say, I don't see the PS3 or the next Xbox going the route of the Wii in offering "this-gen" power.
Of course, than you get games like littlebigplanet, whose visuals are impressive and fairly photorealistic (it has really, really AWESOME textures) yet still have enough charm to get the pants off anybody.
Edit: also, I don't see why good graphics is a bad thing.
Of course, than you get games like littlebigplanet, whose visuals are impressive and fairly photorealistic (it has really, really AWESOME textures) yet still have enough charm to get the pants off anybody.
This is true, but they represent a minority, and I feel the push towards more processing power isn't helping that.
I hate the Wii. I have all three consoles and this sees the least action out of all off them.
Why is that? How many games have you tried on it? There's a lot of great stuff out there to play.
This is about the fifth person I've asked about this in this thread, but invariably they don't return, wanting only to take a quick shit and flee the scene.
Nah, I'm not trolling, I really do hate the damn thing. Nintendo may have been proven right by the masses, but I hate how the thing's underpowered, and like it or not the lack of power affects gameplay.
I've played all the major first-party exclusives and all the major 3rd party exclusives (that last one was a joke) - Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc. Wii Sports was and still is the best thing about the Wii - at least when you get a bunch of friends over you can have a beer and knock down some pins.
So like, you played Mario Galaxy and got 10 stars and put it down? Or you got everything and enjoyed it but just haven't gone back?
What do you mean that the lack of power affects gameplay? In Metroid Prime 3, was there not enough dudes to shoot onscreen at once? Was the reticule laggy and the system just couldn't keep up?
I suppose you could mean that graphics affect gameplay, and graphics are impacted by the lack of power, but I still find that rather weak. It's not as if Mario's physics were terrible and unplayable, or the zombies in Umbrella Chronicles were so drab that you couldn't see them to hit them.
I'm not trolling either, I just want to understand. I'm guessing the primary reason you hate it is because you can't stand to play brightly colored games like De Blob?
I enjoyed Mario; I enjoyed Zelda; I enjoyed Mario Kart; I got bored with Metroid. Those are all stellar first-party games. If all Wii games were of this quality I'd have no complaint, but let's be real - you can't do environments like those in GTA IV, Crackdown, or Assassin's Creed on the Wii. That's how I say an underpowered platform affects gameplay. It affects immersion. I suppose if I was 10 and the Wii was one of my first consoles I'd have no problem with it - but I'm far older and expect more out of my games these days than I did when I young. (This is not meant to be an insult to anyone who likes the Wii, though.) I dunno. I'm not pretending to have scientific proof that the Wii sucks, of course - only that I had high hopes for it and I'm as surprised as anyone to find the fun-factor lag behind even that of the insipid PS3.
So do you hate every game BEFORE this generation? Because they obviously were not powered enough to be immersive? You are also not differentiating between individual game quality and the system as a whole, which seems to be an epidemic on the wii.
Man, the wii-is-underpowered-and-ugly crowd should just stop playing games right now. Think about it. In ten years you'll be looking back at your precious 360 or PS3, thinking "Damn, how'd I ever put up with that ugly shit?"
Be trendsetters! Get ahead of the curve! Look to the future! The sooner you start whining, the cooler you are on the internet!
He did just say he expects more out of his games these days than he did when he was young.
And while I think it's important to say that the games you have played suck rather than the Wii itself, I don't think we need to be excessively nitpicky about what is said, that just leads to much longer sentences. Mostly he means it sucks because he doesn't like the games on it.
He did just say he expects more out of his games these days than he did when he was young.
And while I think it's important to say that the games you have played suck rather than the Wii itself, I don't think we need to be excessively nitpicky about what is said, that just leads to much longer sentences. Mostly he means it sucks because he doesn't like the games on it.
Yeah, but he expects more due to his tastes 'maturing' or something, not because of the technological changes.
On the second point, it's not nitpicky, it's my whole point. The existence of crap games doesn't negate the good ones.
Graphics never seem as bad when you're playing a current game as when you go back to play it again though because you have no reference in most cases. In this case, you have an obvious reference with the PS3 and 360. I went back and played Resident Evil a while back... man is that game not scary anymore.
If it's not standard on the console, it won't get used by more than a handful of games. Period.
I found this amusing, because the Wii has more peripherals than any other console I've seen. Your point is still intact, I think. I just thought it was funny.
Does it really have that many? I mean "real" peripherals?
I'm thinking the gun, the nunchuk, the classic, the wii fit thingamawho, the guitar hero guitar (and the RB one), coming up you've got the other GH instruments (and RB ones already), the microphone for that dumb AI game, the....
...well shit, maybe. But then, a majority of those are for other consoles as well.
And yeah, like you said, my point is still intact...because VC aside, how many games use anything other than the Remote/Nunchuk? The only way they've gotten that kind of adoption on the 'chuk is because developers had no real choice...most games just flat-out need a damn analog stick.
But the Classic? Can't get fucking platformers ported from other consoles to use the fucking thing, even when it would require zero extra effort.
Really, as far as peripherals go, the Wii only has the classic controller, balance board, guitar, drums, mic, and the nunchuck (if you can count that). The rest (zapper, wheel, etc) are just plastic shells that developers don't have to count on when making their product.
The 360 has those buzzer things, guitar, drums, mic.
PS3 has guitar, drums, mic.
So really compared to the 360, the Wii only has 1 additional peripheral (balance board or classic controller).
How many games can you use that buzzer controller for?
The classic has multiple games you can use it for, and the balance has a few games as well, as well as more announced. Guitars, drums, and mic are used for multiple games as well.
All I want in terms of graphics is for a game to run smoothly, I've said this before many times.
It's a big thing for me. I really enjoyed Mass effect but in 10 years I'll probably turn it on and wonder how I played it. I have the same problem with Goldeneye and Perfect dark. They are completely unplayable to me now.
I'm personally impressed by some of the stuff out on Wii. I'm kinda annoyed about the whole Wii Motion plus thing though. The controller should've had that technology in it initially, even if it would've bumped the price up a bit.
I find myself alternating between the Wii and the 360. I love both of them really.
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Nope, I don't hate the guy who got the bronze. I didn't spend $250 on him and wait out in the freezing cold to reserve a spot in front of the TV.
Personally, I think it's because the first console I can think of that didn't try to make a huge jump in power from it's predecessor. It seems that there are people on the internet who find this to be a slap in the face and so completely outside what they're used to that that they hate the thing. That, and they're afraid that it will work and all future consoles will follow the Wii's lead and not have as great a jump in power.
ChewyWaffles, I'm not saying this is you at all, but you just reminded me of it.
So like, you played Mario Galaxy and got 10 stars and put it down? Or you got everything and enjoyed it but just haven't gone back?
What do you mean that the lack of power affects gameplay? In Metroid Prime 3, was there not enough dudes to shoot onscreen at once? Was the reticule laggy and the system just couldn't keep up?
I suppose you could mean that graphics affect gameplay, and graphics are impacted by the lack of power, but I still find that rather weak. It's not as if Mario's physics were terrible and unplayable, or the zombies in Umbrella Chronicles were so drab that you couldn't see them to hit them.
I'm not trolling either, I just want to understand. I'm guessing the primary reason you hate it is because you can't stand to play brightly colored games like De Blob?
I actually almost hated the Xbox, but I suspect that is not a matter for this thread.
It's not a bad theory. The lack of good 3rd party games killed it for me, and it's entirely Nintendo's fault for providing an underpowered platform for developers to work on.
I though it was "Nintendo Dogs". That attention to a lack of attention to detail seems important.
I hated the Virtual Boy
broke that fucker Office Space style
I enjoyed Mario; I enjoyed Zelda; I enjoyed Mario Kart; I got bored with Metroid. Those are all stellar first-party games. If all Wii games were of this quality I'd have no complaint, but let's be real - you can't do environments like those in GTA IV, Crackdown, or Assassin's Creed on the Wii. That's how I say an underpowered platform affects gameplay. It affects immersion. I suppose if I was 10 and the Wii was one of my first consoles I'd have no problem with it - but I'm far older and expect more out of my games these days than I did when I young. (This is not meant to be an insult to anyone who likes the Wii, though.) I dunno. I'm not pretending to have scientific proof that the Wii sucks, of course - only that I had high hopes for it and I'm as surprised as anyone to find the fun-factor lag behind even that of the insipid PS3.
Pandora's Box is open, and it won't be closed. Graphics and processing power is an arms race and the Wii is an anomaly that outsold everything purely on the hype of its controller and the promise of can't-miss first party titles. There's no going back unless the market entirely implodes. That is to say, I don't see the PS3 or the next Xbox going the route of the Wii in offering "this-gen" power.
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Yah, sorry. Hate is too strong a word. Severely disappointed would be more like it. "Hate" is just the first thing that comes out of my mouth when I want to drop a one-liner about the Wii.
Now, RE4 on the Wii is the best version bar none.
I think I will definitely end up with another Wii down the road. Mario Galaxy is in my top 5 games released this generation and it is loads of fun when you get a group of people together to play. I know it will always exist as my "second" console behind the 360 for pretty much everything multi-console.
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Not to say I don't think a cheap system with great graphics and great controls wouldn't be awesome.
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I find GTA IV's vehicle controls incredibly immersive, the learning curve is just really long.
I have to agree with jack eddy on this one. I don't like feeling like I'm driving a rubber band car.
I don't know, I think the fallout of $600 launches and massive crashes in market share might teach the industry a lesson it should have learned long ago: yes, graphics matter - but only to a point. PS2 to Xbox? By and large, no one gives a shit. Wii to PS3? Not going to cut it again unless you bundle it with a telepathic controller.
I think you'll see more aiming for the lowest common denominator - identify a range of licensable game engines likely to be widely used in the next gen (Unreal 4, Crysis, whatever it may be) and very carefully make a machine just capable of running them all. There's a reason the market leader each generation tends to not have the most graphical or technical punch - it's a crapload cheaper and most casual observers can barely tell the difference anyway.
Heh. Are you honestly saying that this generation is teaching companies that a graphical gap like the one from Wii to PS3 is a serious hindrance to their console? Because it's only a hindrance to your internet cred, not your coffers.
I might not understand because the first half of your paragraph makes perfect sense but as far as seeing the Wii "not cutting it," I don't think the industry is seeing things that way at all.
The smarter move would be to minimize hardware costs by doing the bare minimum necessary to keep up graphically with the 'current gen' level of tech. I think most would agree that the Wii would have been a better system by far had it taken this route, and I'd even be willing to bet that it could have come out at a similar pricepoint (or at least sold at around the same $250 point for most of its LTD) if Nintendo had focused their technical efforts on achieving that rather than the small size/low power path they actually followed.
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Some of the control schemes on some 360 games is absolutely maddening.
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I rarely play the Cube games these days. Seeing those cheap GC games in my games shop triggered my hoarding tendencies and I bought more than I actually wanted. I do play the VC games, but the only native Wii games I play are still Wii Sports and Wii Fit. After two years, that's a lot less than I expected.
My biggest problem with Wii games are the controls. I feel that they work close to perfectly in Wii Sports & Fit, very good in Excite Truck and Mario Kart, and then not so good in the games I've played. It's not Red Steel bad, but I often feel that I would prefer to play this or that game with a traditional controller, which sort of goes against everything the Wii is about.
Like I added to my previous post, I see the Wii as a wonderful retro machine that plays Wii games as a bonus, not the other way around.
All IMO, so keep your shirts on.
Still funny.
Anyway, I'd like to post a list of Wii games, just because they're the ones that I think are good games. Say what you will about Nintendo, their philosophy this gen, how it was a fluke, a fad, an impossible anomaly that will never occur again, Nintendo knows how to produce fun like few others can manage.
The following Wii games I think are pretty damned good.
World of Goo
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Okami
Tetris Party
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Bomberman Blast
Art Style: ORBIENT
Zack & Wiki
Boom Blox
Super Paper Mario
Mega Man 9
No More Heroes
Bully: Scholarship Edition
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Mario Kart Wii
de Blob
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
Rock Band
Wii Fit
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episodes 1 & 2
LostWinds
Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Mario Strikers Charged
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Sam & Max: Season One
Mercury Meltdown Revolution
Wario Land: Shake It!
Art Style: CUBELLO
Trauma Center: New Blood
Wii Sports
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
Elebits
Excite Truck
Battalion Wars 2
Endless Ocean
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Dr. Mario Online RX
Lego Batman
Ghost Squad
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Samba de Amigo
Link's Crossbow Training
Mario Super Sluggers
Magnetica Twist
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Wii Music
Star Soldier R
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
You may disagree with every single title on the list, you may point out that a number of them are multi-platform, but for me at least the system has more than enough titles to be worth the cost of ownership.
Of course... I could post an equally lengthy list of 360 games, but that's beside the point.
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What they will do? Continue business model that doesn't work and has cause over 10 billion dollars worth of loss? Sony's and Microsoft's business model simply doesn't work if you don't gain total domination.
I don't think I've played a GTA game that had realistic driving. So GTA4 would be holding true to its roots. The game "plays and feels" like previous versions... If GTA4 came out as "totally realistic", then people would complain that it doesn’t feel like GTA. You can't please everybody. As a fan of GTA since GTA1, and playing them through the years, I really enjoy GTA4 (I realize it's nothing like GTA1, but closer to GTA3 and so on), and I'm totally ok with how cars drive and feel. I was never expecting a GT racer game. (That’s what GT5 is for)
As for graphics, I don't really understand why people wouldn't want a crisper picture, higher textures or a higher resolution. I don't think graphics really add to the "fun" factor in games, but nice graphics doesn't hurt a game. Why else do people cream over "HD" remakes of older games. If Mario Galaxy were to come out in full 1080p with high textures, more polys, same gameplay... why not take it?
Honestly?
What you just posted is gibberish.
Edit: also, I don't see why good graphics is a bad thing.
I feel that LBP itself might be setting a trend, but we'll have to wait and see.
So do you hate every game BEFORE this generation? Because they obviously were not powered enough to be immersive? You are also not differentiating between individual game quality and the system as a whole, which seems to be an epidemic on the wii.
Be trendsetters! Get ahead of the curve! Look to the future! The sooner you start whining, the cooler you are on the internet!
And while I think it's important to say that the games you have played suck rather than the Wii itself, I don't think we need to be excessively nitpicky about what is said, that just leads to much longer sentences. Mostly he means it sucks because he doesn't like the games on it.
Yeah, but he expects more due to his tastes 'maturing' or something, not because of the technological changes.
On the second point, it's not nitpicky, it's my whole point. The existence of crap games doesn't negate the good ones.
Really, as far as peripherals go, the Wii only has the classic controller, balance board, guitar, drums, mic, and the nunchuck (if you can count that). The rest (zapper, wheel, etc) are just plastic shells that developers don't have to count on when making their product.
The 360 has those buzzer things, guitar, drums, mic.
PS3 has guitar, drums, mic.
So really compared to the 360, the Wii only has 1 additional peripheral (balance board or classic controller).
How many games can you use that buzzer controller for?
The classic has multiple games you can use it for, and the balance has a few games as well, as well as more announced. Guitars, drums, and mic are used for multiple games as well.
So it's really not all that bad considering.
It's a big thing for me. I really enjoyed Mass effect but in 10 years I'll probably turn it on and wonder how I played it. I have the same problem with Goldeneye and Perfect dark. They are completely unplayable to me now.
I'm personally impressed by some of the stuff out on Wii. I'm kinda annoyed about the whole Wii Motion plus thing though. The controller should've had that technology in it initially, even if it would've bumped the price up a bit.
I find myself alternating between the Wii and the 360. I love both of them really.