What have people heard about the 10 man progression track? I'd always heard from a design perspective that the idea was to be able to get raids together and experience content more easily (in terms of numbers), but the content would still be very challenging. Now I'm hearing that people are clearing Naxx through Sapphiron in Sunwell gear and quest gear obtained on the way to 80, without any time spent in 5 mans to gear up.
Is this along the lines of what other people have been hearing? If so, that's a bit discouraging.
It'll get tougher. Naxx is easy by design (they feel they made a mistake when they made Burning Crusade's introductory raid as tough as they did), and Sunwell gear is really good. Also, people wearing raid gear from the previous expansion while progressing through the current one isn't unheard of. If you had T3, especially with some of the set bonuses, you probably wore it when you first zoned into Kara (and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I was still wearing some of my raid gear in Kara. Other than my trinkets and rings, (which were mediocre) I didn't even start replacing it until high 60's. Hell, think about how many people upgraded from a Rejuv gem -> Memento, and that came from BWL.
I hope not, if so razing was a pretty terrible word to use for it considering we won.
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I won't be replacing a bunch of pieces of my gear until lat 70s. I'm in full S3 with the S4 hat (maybe S4 gloves after maintenence), the ZA sword, and S2 shoulders.
I am thinking about hanging around at 70 for a little while to get the AV achievements while I am a god in the BGs.
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I sat around last night and participated in the alliance event. I hope something else happens, it was pretty lackluster. I heard the horde encounter at least had dialogue and a duel between thrall and garrock.
As for wotlk coming out I can not wait, I've used some pto to be able to game until my hands seize up.
I hope it escalates to a much more dramatic event that actually has some impact on our game world. Seeing as how WoW is supposed to be advancing the Warcraft storyline.
(and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I thought this was something of a WoW urban legend, with them just putting it on for the screenshot, or was that finally confirmed in an after action report/blog/whatever?
And I think I'm almost free. One more raid tonight... maybe one more tomorrow, and then I can finally relax (well, above and beyond taking essentially the last week or two off due to shortened raid weeks). Dead Space and Left 4 Dead Demo have been an outstanding change of pace, and honestly I'm really not all that hyped about the expansion. Sure, people have said that the DK starting area is the best questing ever, and I've kept up on a few achievement odds and ends, but I look at things like all the PVP achievements and I'm like "Bitches, I did these ages ago", or the idea of starting another set of characters climbing to cap and gearing again.
Blah.
I don't think I'll be cancelling or anything drastic, but I've gone from a somewhat petulant view on the whole "Why can't I pay someone for a damned Collector's Edition" issue, to "meh, either they want to take my $70, or they'll settle for $50, whatever".
I'm more excited about L4D's full version next week and feeling like I have control of my nights again than anything in WoW at this point. Ducking offline at 11 to watch The Daily Show in peace, or crash if it's a rerun may seem like retarded things to appreciate, but after ~3.5 years of high end raiding, it feels pretty damned good.
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What have people heard about the 10 man progression track? I'd always heard from a design perspective that the idea was to be able to get raids together and experience content more easily (in terms of numbers), but the content would still be very challenging. Now I'm hearing that people are clearing Naxx through Sapphiron in Sunwell gear and quest gear obtained on the way to 80, without any time spent in 5 mans to gear up.
Is this along the lines of what other people have been hearing? If so, that's a bit discouraging.
It'll get tougher. Naxx is easy by design (they feel they made a mistake when they made Burning Crusade's introductory raid as tough as they did), and Sunwell gear is really good. Also, people wearing raid gear from the previous expansion while progressing through the current one isn't unheard of. If you had T3, especially with some of the set bonuses, you probably wore it when you first zoned into Kara (and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I accept that some pieces of gear will still be great at 80 for various reasons (like a great set bonus, for example). I do not like the idea that you can clear the entire entry raid instance in your leveling gear and forgo gear progression through normal 5 mans altogether. I think it should go regular 5 mans > heroics/raids, but obviously Bliz feels differently. That's fine, I just don't agree with it.
Also, afaik the Chinese Illidan kill in T3 shot was staged.
Edit: Looked into it, apparently the guild had progressed so quickly that there was still some T3-level items being worn at the time. Like 2 or 3 pieces in the entire 25 man raid, mostly by virtue of not having enough time to be fully kitted out in T4/5 yet.
Edit2: Also, I'm not complaining about well oiled machines in well itemized but outdated gear clearing Naxx right off the bat. I'm talking more about reports I've heard about pugs stepping into Naxx in their leveling gear and nearly clearing it. That's what bothers me.
(and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I thought this was something of a WoW urban legend, with them just putting it on for the screenshot, or was that finally confirmed in an after action report/blog/whatever?
And I think I'm almost free. One more raid tonight... maybe one more tomorrow, and then I can finally relax (well, above and beyond taking essentially the last week or two off due to shortened raid weeks). Dead Space and Left 4 Dead Demo have been an outstanding change of pace, and honestly I'm really not all that hyped about the expansion. Sure, people have said that the DK starting area is the best questing ever, and I've kept up on a few achievement odds and ends, but I look at things like all the PVP achievements and I'm like "Bitches, I did these ages ago", or the idea of starting another set of characters climbing to cap and gearing again.
Blah.
I don't think I'll be cancelling or anything drastic, but I've gone from a somewhat petulant view on the whole "Why can't I pay someone for a damned Collector's Edition" issue, to "meh, either they want to take my $70, or they'll settle for $50, whatever".
I'm more excited about L4D's full version next week and feeling like I have control of my nights again than anything in WoW at this point. Ducking offline at 11 to watch The Daily Show in peace, or crash if it's a rerun may seem like retarded things to appreciate, but after ~3.5 years of high end raiding, it feels pretty damned good.
Eh, it might have been staged, but they went from level 60 to Illidan in, what, 7 resets? Like, there's crafted and PvP and rep gear, but I'm sure in such a compressed amount of time there had to have been at least some of the raid wearing at least some of the old stuff, and even if the T3 didn't last to Illidan, they had to have been wearing at least some of it through T5.
The thing to remember is that they got their version of BC after most of those places were tuned down. They had Vashj without the bugs, and so on.
They also had extra time to have everyone geared to the teeth in the absolute best stuff they could possibly have for their class, massive consumable stockpiles (outdated as they might've been), and levelling/talent specs/gem'ing/enchanting/etc worked out to perfection in advance.
Which isn't to say that doing what they did as fast as they did wasn't an impressive endeavor, but a lot of the leg work had already been laid out and refined by the time it was publicly available to them.
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What have people heard about the 10 man progression track? I'd always heard from a design perspective that the idea was to be able to get raids together and experience content more easily (in terms of numbers), but the content would still be very challenging. Now I'm hearing that people are clearing Naxx through Sapphiron in Sunwell gear and quest gear obtained on the way to 80, without any time spent in 5 mans to gear up.
Is this along the lines of what other people have been hearing? If so, that's a bit discouraging.
It'll get tougher. Naxx is easy by design (they feel they made a mistake when they made Burning Crusade's introductory raid as tough as they did), and Sunwell gear is really good. Also, people wearing raid gear from the previous expansion while progressing through the current one isn't unheard of. If you had T3, especially with some of the set bonuses, you probably wore it when you first zoned into Kara (and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I accept that some pieces of gear will still be great at 80 for various reasons (like a great set bonus, for example). I do not like the idea that you can clear the entire entry raid instance in your leveling gear and forgo gear progression through normal 5 mans altogether. I think it should go regular 5 mans > heroics/raids, but obviously Bliz feels differently. That's fine, I just don't agree with it.
Also, afaik the Chinese Illidan kill in T3 shot was staged.
Edit: Looked into it, apparently the guild had progressed so quickly that there was still some T3-level items being worn at the time. Like 2 or 3 pieces in the entire 25 man raid, mostly by virtue of not having enough time to be fully kitted out in T4/5 yet.
Edit2: Also, I'm not complaining about well oiled machines in well itemized but outdated gear clearing Naxx right off the bat. I'm talking more about reports I've heard about pugs stepping into Naxx in their leveling gear and nearly clearing it. That's what bothers me.
Terrible players won't be able to clear it without gearing up some first. But spending weeks raiding lvl 70 5 mans just so that decent players can gear up and raid the easy p10 dungeon would suck horribly. Especially with Blizzards RNG being the piece of shit that it is.
That's what I meant, I don't think I said it right. The Expansion was just released later over there than it was here. So they had an advantage, which is fine.
Terrible players won't be able to clear it without gearing up some first. But spending weeks raiding lvl 70 5 mans just so that decent players can gear up and raid the easy p10 dungeon would suck horribly. Especially with Blizzards RNG being the piece of shit that it is.
It seems like the heroic dungeons loot tables are smaller now (plus better than in TBC) so hopefully there'll be less Suneater type bullcrap.
What have people heard about the 10 man progression track? I'd always heard from a design perspective that the idea was to be able to get raids together and experience content more easily (in terms of numbers), but the content would still be very challenging. Now I'm hearing that people are clearing Naxx through Sapphiron in Sunwell gear and quest gear obtained on the way to 80, without any time spent in 5 mans to gear up.
Is this along the lines of what other people have been hearing? If so, that's a bit discouraging.
It'll get tougher. Naxx is easy by design (they feel they made a mistake when they made Burning Crusade's introductory raid as tough as they did), and Sunwell gear is really good. Also, people wearing raid gear from the previous expansion while progressing through the current one isn't unheard of. If you had T3, especially with some of the set bonuses, you probably wore it when you first zoned into Kara (and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I accept that some pieces of gear will still be great at 80 for various reasons (like a great set bonus, for example). I do not like the idea that you can clear the entire entry raid instance in your leveling gear and forgo gear progression through normal 5 mans altogether. I think it should go regular 5 mans > heroics/raids, but obviously Bliz feels differently. That's fine, I just don't agree with it.
Also, afaik the Chinese Illidan kill in T3 shot was staged.
Edit: Looked into it, apparently the guild had progressed so quickly that there was still some T3-level items being worn at the time. Like 2 or 3 pieces in the entire 25 man raid, mostly by virtue of not having enough time to be fully kitted out in T4/5 yet.
Edit2: Also, I'm not complaining about well oiled machines in well itemized but outdated gear clearing Naxx right off the bat. I'm talking more about reports I've heard about pugs stepping into Naxx in their leveling gear and nearly clearing it. That's what bothers me.
Also, even if these are Naxx PUGs, it's not exactly everyone's first trip to the rodeo. The fights and their gimmicks are known. There's a good chance that many of the people in the leading wave of 80s have been to Naxx at some point pre-Wrath and will zone into the place for the first time already having first-hand knowledge of how to clear it. If the people there already know the fights, all that's left is execution and meeting gear checks, and I'm fine with Naxx 3.0 having an extremely low barrier to entry.
Now, if that trend continues past the entry raids and people are simply walking into Mordor, that's another story.
I saw a dwarf tank thing riding around Stormwind Harbor fighting the dragons and abominations during the attack.
I was quite disappointed to learn it was only controllable by NPCs, I thought we were going to get a nice preview of the vehicle system when I saw it.
What have people heard about the 10 man progression track? I'd always heard from a design perspective that the idea was to be able to get raids together and experience content more easily (in terms of numbers), but the content would still be very challenging. Now I'm hearing that people are clearing Naxx through Sapphiron in Sunwell gear and quest gear obtained on the way to 80, without any time spent in 5 mans to gear up.
Is this along the lines of what other people have been hearing? If so, that's a bit discouraging.
It'll get tougher. Naxx is easy by design (they feel they made a mistake when they made Burning Crusade's introductory raid as tough as they did), and Sunwell gear is really good. Also, people wearing raid gear from the previous expansion while progressing through the current one isn't unheard of. If you had T3, especially with some of the set bonuses, you probably wore it when you first zoned into Kara (and the first Chinese Illidan kill was done with much of the raid still wearing it).
I was still wearing some of my raid gear in Kara. Other than my trinkets and rings, (which were mediocre) I didn't even start replacing it until high 60's. Hell, think about how many people upgraded from a Rejuv gem -> Memento, and that came from BWL.
The Gem is an extremely special case. It's was pretty much perfectly itemized.
I dunno...I didn't replace Nelth's Tear until somewhere in T5 content, just 'cause I couldn't be at hit cap without it. I remember doing SSC still wearing that thing. And people asking me "OMG where did you get that trinket?"
I dunno...I didn't replace Nelth's Tear until somewhere in T5 content, just 'cause I couldn't be at hit cap without it. I remember doing SSC still wearing that thing. And people asking me "OMG where did you get that trinket?"
Well, that's uh...another special case. 8-)
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I dunno...I didn't replace Nelth's Tear until somewhere in T5 content, just 'cause I couldn't be at hit cap without it. I remember doing SSC still wearing that thing. And people asking me "OMG where did you get that trinket?"
Well, that's uh...another special case. 8-)
Those two are fairly special cases though. Vanilla trinkets sucked. Sucked so badly.
I dunno...I didn't replace Nelth's Tear until somewhere in T5 content, just 'cause I couldn't be at hit cap without it. I remember doing SSC still wearing that thing. And people asking me "OMG where did you get that trinket?"
Well, that's uh...another special case. 8-)
Those two are fairly special cases though. Vanilla trinkets sucked. Sucked so badly.
Don't forget Styleen's Impeding Scarab. That thing dropped in a BWL pug yesterday and every warrior and paladin shat themselves.
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I was still wearing some of my raid gear in Kara. Other than my trinkets and rings, (which were mediocre) I didn't even start replacing it until high 60's. Hell, think about how many people upgraded from a Rejuv gem -> Memento, and that came from BWL.
I am thinking about hanging around at 70 for a little while to get the AV achievements while I am a god in the BGs.
As for wotlk coming out I can not wait, I've used some pto to be able to game until my hands seize up.
I thought this was something of a WoW urban legend, with them just putting it on for the screenshot, or was that finally confirmed in an after action report/blog/whatever?
And I think I'm almost free. One more raid tonight... maybe one more tomorrow, and then I can finally relax (well, above and beyond taking essentially the last week or two off due to shortened raid weeks). Dead Space and Left 4 Dead Demo have been an outstanding change of pace, and honestly I'm really not all that hyped about the expansion. Sure, people have said that the DK starting area is the best questing ever, and I've kept up on a few achievement odds and ends, but I look at things like all the PVP achievements and I'm like "Bitches, I did these ages ago", or the idea of starting another set of characters climbing to cap and gearing again.
Blah.
I don't think I'll be cancelling or anything drastic, but I've gone from a somewhat petulant view on the whole "Why can't I pay someone for a damned Collector's Edition" issue, to "meh, either they want to take my $70, or they'll settle for $50, whatever".
I'm more excited about L4D's full version next week and feeling like I have control of my nights again than anything in WoW at this point. Ducking offline at 11 to watch The Daily Show in peace, or crash if it's a rerun may seem like retarded things to appreciate, but after ~3.5 years of high end raiding, it feels pretty damned good.
This isn't a spell DKs get as far as I am aware, I sure haven't seen it, it would say "Taugh by" if it was.
That's not a DK skill, it's from a DK newbie quest.
And orcs being green. And the way the races are, and a ton of similarities between their cultures.
God, you'd think warhammer was based off or stolen entirely from warcraft.
I don't think so. The tooltip is completely wrong for what it does in the quest.
It looks more like a spell they implemented for Deathknights, but later changed their mind about.
I'm pretty sure they were both stolen from Star Wars.
I accept that some pieces of gear will still be great at 80 for various reasons (like a great set bonus, for example). I do not like the idea that you can clear the entire entry raid instance in your leveling gear and forgo gear progression through normal 5 mans altogether. I think it should go regular 5 mans > heroics/raids, but obviously Bliz feels differently. That's fine, I just don't agree with it.
Also, afaik the Chinese Illidan kill in T3 shot was staged.
Edit: Looked into it, apparently the guild had progressed so quickly that there was still some T3-level items being worn at the time. Like 2 or 3 pieces in the entire 25 man raid, mostly by virtue of not having enough time to be fully kitted out in T4/5 yet.
Edit2: Also, I'm not complaining about well oiled machines in well itemized but outdated gear clearing Naxx right off the bat. I'm talking more about reports I've heard about pugs stepping into Naxx in their leveling gear and nearly clearing it. That's what bothers me.
edit:
Eh, it might have been staged, but they went from level 60 to Illidan in, what, 7 resets? Like, there's crafted and PvP and rep gear, but I'm sure in such a compressed amount of time there had to have been at least some of the raid wearing at least some of the old stuff, and even if the T3 didn't last to Illidan, they had to have been wearing at least some of it through T5.
They also had extra time to have everyone geared to the teeth in the absolute best stuff they could possibly have for their class, massive consumable stockpiles (outdated as they might've been), and levelling/talent specs/gem'ing/enchanting/etc worked out to perfection in advance.
Which isn't to say that doing what they did as fast as they did wasn't an impressive endeavor, but a lot of the leg work had already been laid out and refined by the time it was publicly available to them.
Terrible players won't be able to clear it without gearing up some first. But spending weeks raiding lvl 70 5 mans just so that decent players can gear up and raid the easy p10 dungeon would suck horribly. Especially with Blizzards RNG being the piece of shit that it is.
there copping bat man?
Also, even if these are Naxx PUGs, it's not exactly everyone's first trip to the rodeo. The fights and their gimmicks are known. There's a good chance that many of the people in the leading wave of 80s have been to Naxx at some point pre-Wrath and will zone into the place for the first time already having first-hand knowledge of how to clear it. If the people there already know the fights, all that's left is execution and meeting gear checks, and I'm fine with Naxx 3.0 having an extremely low barrier to entry.
Now, if that trend continues past the entry raids and people are simply walking into Mordor, that's another story.
I was quite disappointed to learn it was only controllable by NPCs, I thought we were going to get a nice preview of the vehicle system when I saw it.
Man, I hope that's sarcasm.
I mean, I know I'm dense to internet impressions and shit, but sometimes with you guys it's hard to tell.
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The Gem is an extremely special case. It's was pretty much perfectly itemized.
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Well, that's uh...another special case. 8-)
Those two are fairly special cases though. Vanilla trinkets sucked. Sucked so badly.
Don't forget Styleen's Impeding Scarab. That thing dropped in a BWL pug yesterday and every warrior and paladin shat themselves.
Eh. You can find better trinkets.
You're in luck!
I don't think that's what he meant.
Better trinkets that stop people from capping the flag?