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WillethWilleth Registered User regular
I'm in a house right now living with three other people. One is Italian, the other two are German, and to communicate with people back home they use Skype and ICQ on a regular basis. One also listens to Internet radio regularly. I use Xbox Live every day or so and upload a podcast every week thats a few hundred meg.

As you'd expect, it kills our connection. I haven't had a trouble-free game online in weeks, and right now my main PC can't access any webpages at all, and my laptop is really slow. The German girl has reported the same thing happens to her every now and again - she'll get periods of not being able to browse anything and constantly signing in and out of IRC. Last week the German guy was complaining of the same thing - not being able to browse. As the Italian girl can speak very little English, it's hard to find out her Internet habits to troubleshoot at all. None of us are torrenting or anything and I'm at a bit of a loss.

What I'd like to do is set something up so that we can at least all get basic functionality at the same time, but still give priority to the Xbox, followed by Skype connections, followed by low-level stuff like browsing and ICQ. I thought that this was the job of a router but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there a way I can do this easily? I also can't access the router as the landlord's password-protected it, although I should be able to get it off him no trouble.

A test on Friday at speedtest.net gave me a speed of around 1.3 Mbps. Right now it's 600 or so from my laptop. We're on Telewest Broadband and all running wirelessly through a Linksys WRT54GS. I've yet to hook it up wired or directly into the modem but I don't think it's a dodgy router I'm looking at. A data transfer cap maybe?

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If you can, maybe try sticking some custom firmware on the router:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_(firmware)
    *Advanced QoS: 10 unique QoS classes defined, real-time graphs display prioritized traffic with traffic class details.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Given that it isn't my router I'm hesitant to do that. Will I be able to restore it to the original firmware if I fuck up?

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  • Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    Given that it isn't my router I'm hesitant to do that. Will I be able to restore it to the original firmware if I fuck up?
    Alot of custom firmwares work for just about every router. If it does fuck up (not to likely) you can probably jump on your routers website and get their regular (and probably updated) firmware.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    Given that it isn't my router I'm hesitant to do that. Will I be able to restore it to the original firmware if I fuck up?
    Alot of custom firmwares work for just about every router. If it does fuck up (not to likely) you can probably jump on your routers website and get their regular (and probably updated) firmware.

    If it's not his router, he shouldn't be touching the firmware for it.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    None of the stuff mentioned in the OP is very bandwidth intensive at all, if no ones running torrents or other P2P applications a 1 megabit connection should be fine for 3 people using skype and one person playing on XBLA at the same time, there has to be something else going on. My guess is someone is using P2P apps and lying about it

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  • ginguskahnginguskahn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Willeth you are in the UK right? Although your download may be 1.2 your upload will almost certainly be half that, maybe less, this is going to be your limiting factor bandwidth wise as XBL etc is much more dependent on upload than down. ICQ/Irc and unlikely to use much bandwidth either way, Skype may use a bit, are these people just IM'ing or are they voice/video calling? thats going to eat into that upload a lot more.

    What revision of the router do you have? There are like 6 different revisions for that model, you can see the revision number on the sticker on the bottom of the unit. Do you have access to the router setup page? Can you check it is at least running the latest official Linksys firmware? Some of these models have issues with multiple connections and if someone is P2P'ing as talios says this can make things even worse. You could even block some of the popular P2P ports in the firewall, while allowing the Xbox through.

    Lastly are you sure all the computers are clean from spyware and virus's? Don't assume someone is purposely P2P'ing and not owning up, maybe they have a virus thats calling out and just don't know about it.

    Oh and I'll presume you already kicked the router and modem over, a good reboot will sort out a lot of stuff ;) I have a few other ideas as well but that should keep you going for now.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    A reboot solved it for maybe five minutes, so IMO it's definitely traffic-related. The German guy uses video chat, I know that; the other two use voice.

    I'll try and get access to the router setup page asap but like I said, landlord's router so he holds the keys.

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  • sinnsinn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    That's a somewhat constricted connection for even one person streaming voice/video, gaming, and surfing, with four people it is absolutely strangled. If possible I'd look into a faster connection.

    Otherwise, it sounds like a router that does QoS is exactly what you're looking for. It allows you to prioritize traffic by type, and some can keep track of usage statistics as well to pinpoint where your bandwidth is going.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Custom firmware isn't the same as forwarding ports and I'd wager your landlord isn't really itching to learn how to work another router GUI. Since it's not your router, I'd suggest you buy another one that Tomato supports and QoS that bitch up.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Eh I'm sure that my landlord doesn't care. I'll talk to him about it but as long as once I'm done fiddling with it it still has the same WEP key and everything he'll not be worried.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    Eh I'm sure that my landlord doesn't care. I'll talk to him about it but as long as once I'm done fiddling with it it still has the same WEP key and everything he'll not be worried.

    WEP? WEP?

    Fucking WPA2 that shit now, I bet it's someone hackin ur signal and stealin ur 2.4GHz's.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hm.

    See I was about to tell you to fuck off with your paranoid bullshit, but that's actually a possibility.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    A remote one. I would find it much more likely that someone is using P2P apps, or that your connection can't handle all your activities at the same time, than someone is hacking your WEP key.

    Another possibility that's more likely than your router being hacked...someone's pumping out data they're not aware of. Run a scan on everyone's computer and make sure no one has any hidden viruses. You'd be amazed at how many people have a low-profile virus on their system that's pumping out data over their connection and don't even know it.

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shitty routers can cause the connection to go belly-up when the traffic starts getting high and, hardware does eventually die. Maybe high time to replace it?

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  • TransparentTransparent Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I had these problems with my roommate. And you may not like this solution, but for me it was just less hassle for us to get separate ISPs. I let him keep the cable connection and I got myself DSL. Stopped the arguing about his Wow vs. my bittorrent.

    Otherwise, I agree with everyone else that it probably is the routers fault. Getting one that can run Tomato and configuring QoS properly is what probably should happen.

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  • L*2*G*XL*2*G*X Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    it's the wrt54. Don't expect to solve the issue with Tomato, just wire it up which should sort it.

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    it's the wrt54. Don't expect to solve the issue with Tomato, just wire it up which should sort it.

    Truf, when I was living in NY me and my roommate were both using wireless on a wrt54g... the thing would constantly bog down and freeze up if one of us was even to use youtube. I went to monoprice and bought two 100ft cat5 cables and wired us both up to the router. We could then both have 1MB/sec downloads going and still serf the web and stream video fine.

    tl;dr: wrt54 wireless is shit. Use cable.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    it's the wrt54. Don't expect to solve the issue with Tomato, just wire it up which should sort it.

    Truf, when I was living in NY me and my roommate were both using wireless on a wrt54g... the thing would constantly bog down and freeze up if one of us was even to use youtube. I went to monoprice and bought two 100ft cat5 cables and wired us both up to the router. We could then both have 1MB/sec downloads going and still serf the web and stream video fine.

    tl;dr: wrt54 wireless is shit. Use cable.

    Funny, my WRT54's wireless works like a champ, even with two laptops, a Wii, an isolated desktop, and a PDA flogging it. Of course, I have better sense than to run the default Linksys firmware.

    tl;dr: wrt54 hardware is awesome, software is shit

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    it's the wrt54. Don't expect to solve the issue with Tomato, just wire it up which should sort it.

    Truf, when I was living in NY me and my roommate were both using wireless on a wrt54g... the thing would constantly bog down and freeze up if one of us was even to use youtube. I went to monoprice and bought two 100ft cat5 cables and wired us both up to the router. We could then both have 1MB/sec downloads going and still serf the web and stream video fine.

    tl;dr: wrt54 wireless is shit. Use cable.

    Funny, my WRT54's wireless works like a champ, even with two laptops, a Wii, an isolated desktop, and a PDA flogging it. Of course, I have better sense than to run the default Linksys firmware.

    tl;dr: wrt54 hardware is awesome, software is shit

    Eh, I am doing the same as you except I'm not running the custom firmware and I have no problems. Probably interferrance. Switch to a channel like... 7.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    it's the wrt54. Don't expect to solve the issue with Tomato, just wire it up which should sort it.

    Truf, when I was living in NY me and my roommate were both using wireless on a wrt54g... the thing would constantly bog down and freeze up if one of us was even to use youtube. I went to monoprice and bought two 100ft cat5 cables and wired us both up to the router. We could then both have 1MB/sec downloads going and still serf the web and stream video fine.

    tl;dr: wrt54 wireless is shit. Use cable.

    Funny, my WRT54's wireless works like a champ, even with two laptops, a Wii, an isolated desktop, and a PDA flogging it. Of course, I have better sense than to run the default Linksys firmware.

    tl;dr: wrt54 hardware is awesome, software is shit

    Eh, I am doing the same as you except I'm not running the custom firmware and I have no problems. Probably interferrance. Switch to a channel like... 7.

    Moving one channel off won't help nearly as much as moving to the least occupied common divider channel (1/6/11 in NA, 1/5/9/13 in EU). Try picking the least-congested channel of those and using that.

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