Im wondering if they're declining to say if any Beatles will make it to rock band simply because of what happened with Nevermind/Who's Next. By not saying anything, they can just continue making it at the pace they're working at, and just release stuff when it's ready.
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The wording is all very strangely ambiguous. Hell, they have yet to even state that this is a rhythm game, let alone the Rock Band gameplay we know and love.
So really more questions are popping up than being answered huh?
From what I gather, it seems like they are thinking of something along the lines of GH: Aerosmith, a completely stand alone thing. I really hope that's not the case, because if the did go that route, I don't think there would be much incentive to have tracks in RB, seeing as they would much prefer you to go out and buy the stand alone game.
7:34 -- More stuff about how they're not yet prepared to talk about the content of the game.
7:35 -- Is there a "competitive element" to the game, or is it strictly "immersion and interaction," someone asks. Good question! They're not answering.
7:36 -- Why not call the game "Beatles Rock Band?" Because they're going into new creative territory, says Alex. "new creative exploration of their music and a celebration of their legacy... deserves a fully dedicated title."
7:37 -- "Game takes advantage of the Rock Band platform in many ways that we'll discuss down the road." (Well, okay. Good. I think people are just hoping that this isn't Wii Music. - CK)
Okay, we're getting enough Rock Band name-drops here that I'm at least optimistic the songs might be compatible with RB2. Still, this is very curious ... it sounds like they're going for an almost RPG-ish immersion experience. You know those Tool venues in GHWT, and how we were talking about how that style of presentation doesn't really fit with the "world" of RB2? I think this might be a branch-off in that kind of direction.
They were certainly emphasizing the visual style of the Beatles, which I find interesting. Playing the eventual Yellow Submarine level is going to be awesome.
They're probably also making the announcement while the Rock Band vs Guitar Hero battle is still up in the air, rather than wait until things have cooled off and everyone is in one camp or the other.
I really do hope I can export to RB. Maybe after finishing the whole Beatles tour on the stand alone? Or at least some Beatles DLC to hype us up.
I've never cared for totaly band stand alones because I have too much ADD and like to switch up my music. mind you, the Beatles style does change throughout their reign. At the same time, if there are parts of their period a person doesn't like, it may suck having to play through that period to get to the next.
I for one am not a huge fan of their early stuff, but love Revolver and Peppers.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
Hmmmm. An entire game with presentation based on the visuals of the Beatles? If there isn't a Yellow Submarine level I'll eat my hat. Sounds good to me. Especially if you can play with the unique presentation of the Beatles AND export it into regular Rock Band. Sounds like they've left the door for exporting wide open, so we'll see.
It's pretty much a guaranteed buy for our household.
Aside from being fans ourselves, my other siblings grew up with the Beatles and used to be obsessed with their music.
I mean, what better way to cater to the older crowd than by making a full Beatles Rock Band game.
Also, this could be something bigger than Rock Band. They never said it was going to be a similar thing as AC/DC did and I would expect something far more than what RB2 presents.
I'm wondering about some sort of band management/career mode thing with a lot more depth than just unlocking gigs and gaining fans. They seem to be implying there will be gameplay well above and beyond the depth of RB, but that the RB style core gameplay will still be incorporated.
I'm ... curious. I'll be honest and admit that while I don't hate the Beatles, I'm not a superhuge fan. I can listen to them just fine, but I don't really know the songs aside from the obvious Hey Jude and a few other singles. I can appreciate, however, the seismic impact they had on the face of music and why the world is enthralled with them. (Kind of like my same approach to Nirvana, actually.)
That said, rhythm games have gotten me to really appreciate music that I otherwise would have skipped over entirely, and given how I've loved how Harmonix handles music and games since Frequency, if there were any product that were going to really get me to understand the Beatles as an act, it'd be this. If it really, truly runs from the beginning to the end of the band's career and really goes in-depth for the love of the band—beyond a smattering of songs like a Greatest Hits compilation—I think I'd give it a shot.
I'd still be bummed as hell if the songs couldn't be exported into RB2 proper, and that might stop me from buying it right away, but I think I'm curious enough about the Beatles to try it.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
I don't like that Harmonix has to lock down exclusive bands either, but Activision played their hand when they started locking down every major band under the sun. It's like Rock Band 2. Harmonix just wanted to continue DLC for the original Rock Band, but when Activision got all "WE NEED FIVE GAMES A YEAR," Harmonix saw that they needed to make a sequel to stay competitive.
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Anyone else thing a major part of this game is going to be the Beatles career milestones, like the Ed Sullivan appearance and that kind of stuff?
Do you mean like there will be a more defined story-arc?
One in which the Beatles don't break up and you can resurrect John Lennon with the secret Vocal Delay Materia?
Yoko Ono as Sephiroth then?
She's got the hair.
And we all know that's most important.
On-topic Addendum: I finally beat YYZ on drums last night. I can pretty much combo the latin-feel "verses", and just barely manage to squeak through the dance polyrhythm that first appears in solo 3. Feels good to have completed the whole pack.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
I don't like that Harmonix has to lock down exclusive bands either, but Activision played their hand when they started locking down every major band under the sun. It's like Rock Band 2. Harmonix just wanted to continue DLC for the original Rock Band, but when Activision got all "WE NEED FIVE GAMES A YEAR," Harmonix saw that they needed to make a sequel to stay competitive.
As much as I dislike what the GH brand has become, I'm thankful for the competition. RB2 is significantly better than RB1, so I'm not going to complain that it's because of GH:WT that we got it. Although I'd tend to shy away from band-specific games, the thought of what Harmonix will do with a Beatles-centric game makes me very excited.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
It's way too early to tell, but based on the rhetoric everyone's using, this doesn't sound like they're just popping new character models into the old engine, like with RB AC/DC or GH Metallica/Aerosmith. It seems like they're gunning for a literal anthology, from beginning to end, and really going with the band experience. If it's new game modes, venues, even methods of tracking, who knows?
And I think that band-specific versions of these games, while pretty bad compared to just having the songs in an existing game to add to the jukebox, is a step forward. The reason that the Harmonix-involved projects (AC/DC and now the Beatles) don't bother me so much is because these are
a) Notoriously difficult acts to license anything from.
b) Acts that haven't even added their songs to iTunes or other DD services because of their tight-fisted grip.
c) Bands that have never been in this kind of game before.
Unlike Metallica and Aerosmith, who have both been involved in GH/RB games before. To suddenly pull the switch from "Okay, you can use my songs" to "Wait, never mind, I want a bigger cut of the pie" smacks of renegotiations and greed. Do you really think that "Trapped Under Ice" was the developers' first pick for GHWT? No, they had to pick from the B squad because all of the big hits were being saved for GH Metallica. Compare this to AC/DC and the Beatles, who are obviously going to present the choice of "Our own game, or nothing. You pick."
If this Beatles thing ends up being huge—like, 60+ songs, specialized game types, the works—it wouldn't bother me, even if it ends up non-exportable. If it's just a hack job like Rocks the 80s or GH Aerosmith, though, count me out.
I guess the idea is that it's easier to market than Rock Band DLC or whatever. Sure people buy that, but DLC sales figures never seem anywhere close to those of full retail units. You try and tell people that they can buy Beatles songs for Rock Band, and you'll shift a few extra copies of Rock Band and sell some DLC, but will also get a lot of blank stares.
Tell people they can buy a Beatles game that's like Rock Band, and you get blank cheques.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
Well from what I've seen, GH: Aerosmith was just 2 notches above GH: Rocks the 80s in terms of quality and innovation. I may be way off as I've only ever played in-store versions of that game, but all they really did was take GH3, create the Aerosmith dudes as characters, and make the setlist all Aerosmith related songs, correct?
What this press release seems to imply, as well as Moss saying they've been keeping this secret for a while, is that Harmonix is going to do exactly the opposite of that with this Beatles game. Ground-up development, Beatles imagery and history entwined in the game, etc, etc...
Also, GH: Aerosmith relied on the Guitar Hero name and the Aerosmith name for sales and that was it really. According to the press release, the Beatles game is not going to carry the Rock Band name. That implies specific avoidance of brand whoring...
For my part...I realize it would be vocalist only so not really any point to it being in-game, but I would LOVE the chance to sing Elanor Rigby.
For my part...I realize it would be vocalist only so not really any point to it being in-game, but I would LOVE the chance to sing Elanor Rigby.
I'm just imagining here, but ... this is specifically the kind of place where this Beatles game can ditch the preconceptions of being a Rock Band game. Why can't you sing Eleanor Rigby? (Why wouldn't you?) It could be made as a vocalist-only challenge in the game. If it doesn't have to have the qualifications of what other Rock Band songs require (moderately interesting on all four parts, should have four parts, rock-based, etc.), what's stopping a different setup?
I'm picturing something kind of similar to Band World Tour but completely torn down and rebuilt with the Beatles legacy in mind. Kind of progressing chronologically, along with band interviews, archive footage, Behind the Music–esque things to pair along with playing and enjoying challenges. Maybe it requires that you have a guitar, a drumset and a microphone to play it, so you can experience all of the members' viewpoints. If there's one thing Harmonix loves, it's needless trivia and music-nerd wankery. This is the kind of thing that interests me.
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From what I gather, it seems like they are thinking of something along the lines of GH: Aerosmith, a completely stand alone thing. I really hope that's not the case, because if the did go that route, I don't think there would be much incentive to have tracks in RB, seeing as they would much prefer you to go out and buy the stand alone game.
Okay, we're getting enough Rock Band name-drops here that I'm at least optimistic the songs might be compatible with RB2. Still, this is very curious ... it sounds like they're going for an almost RPG-ish immersion experience. You know those Tool venues in GHWT, and how we were talking about how that style of presentation doesn't really fit with the "world" of RB2? I think this might be a branch-off in that kind of direction.
Well, thats a ray of hope and sunshine.
My guess is it will be a full on game, new clothes, venues, songs, ect...with the ability to export SOME songs to Rock Band 2. No Beatles DLC.
I have nothing to base this on, its just a gut feeling.
Only certain things justify this pic.
Harmonix - Oh, we got one of the biggest rock acts to release a standalone game for us!!
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Harmonix - And it comes out in like 3 weeks!!!
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I want to go into cryogenic sleep.
Why announce it so early...blah.
It also draws people towards your brand if you're touting such an iconic group of people, especially with the support of people close to them.
I've never cared for totaly band stand alones because I have too much ADD and like to switch up my music. mind you, the Beatles style does change throughout their reign. At the same time, if there are parts of their period a person doesn't like, it may suck having to play through that period to get to the next.
I for one am not a huge fan of their early stuff, but love Revolver and Peppers.
I AM happy for the HMX folks either way. I really do think they want to do this right. And not just make it a bit of franchise whoring *cough* areosmithmetallica *cough*.
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I'll get this one if the tracks are exportable.
Aside from being fans ourselves, my other siblings grew up with the Beatles and used to be obsessed with their music.
I mean, what better way to cater to the older crowd than by making a full Beatles Rock Band game.
Also, this could be something bigger than Rock Band. They never said it was going to be a similar thing as AC/DC did and I would expect something far more than what RB2 presents.
We've been keeping it a secret for quite a while now. :winky:
But I guess this secret is secret no more.
That said, rhythm games have gotten me to really appreciate music that I otherwise would have skipped over entirely, and given how I've loved how Harmonix handles music and games since Frequency, if there were any product that were going to really get me to understand the Beatles as an act, it'd be this. If it really, truly runs from the beginning to the end of the band's career and really goes in-depth for the love of the band—beyond a smattering of songs like a Greatest Hits compilation—I think I'd give it a shot.
I'd still be bummed as hell if the songs couldn't be exported into RB2 proper, and that might stop me from buying it right away, but I think I'm curious enough about the Beatles to try it.
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Because the competition just launched their Next Big Thing, and it's always fun to splash a little urine on their party.
From what I have heard so far, it sounds exactly like what Activision has done with their exclusive bands. How is one thing whoring and another not?
I don't necessarily like the idea of standalone games for a single band, but I can see why they do it from a business sense.
Do you mean like there will be a more defined story-arc?
One in which the Beatles don't break up and you can resurrect John Lennon with the secret Vocal Delay Materia?
Yoko Ono as Sephiroth then?
I don't like that Harmonix has to lock down exclusive bands either, but Activision played their hand when they started locking down every major band under the sun. It's like Rock Band 2. Harmonix just wanted to continue DLC for the original Rock Band, but when Activision got all "WE NEED FIVE GAMES A YEAR," Harmonix saw that they needed to make a sequel to stay competitive.
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She's got the hair.
And we all know that's most important.
On-topic Addendum: I finally beat YYZ on drums last night. I can pretty much combo the latin-feel "verses", and just barely manage to squeak through the dance polyrhythm that first appears in solo 3. Feels good to have completed the whole pack.
As much as I dislike what the GH brand has become, I'm thankful for the competition. RB2 is significantly better than RB1, so I'm not going to complain that it's because of GH:WT that we got it. Although I'd tend to shy away from band-specific games, the thought of what Harmonix will do with a Beatles-centric game makes me very excited.
From a few pages back: He's definitely still playing with The Who, or at least he was this summer when I saw them live.
It's way too early to tell, but based on the rhetoric everyone's using, this doesn't sound like they're just popping new character models into the old engine, like with RB AC/DC or GH Metallica/Aerosmith. It seems like they're gunning for a literal anthology, from beginning to end, and really going with the band experience. If it's new game modes, venues, even methods of tracking, who knows?
And I think that band-specific versions of these games, while pretty bad compared to just having the songs in an existing game to add to the jukebox, is a step forward. The reason that the Harmonix-involved projects (AC/DC and now the Beatles) don't bother me so much is because these are
a) Notoriously difficult acts to license anything from.
b) Acts that haven't even added their songs to iTunes or other DD services because of their tight-fisted grip.
c) Bands that have never been in this kind of game before.
Unlike Metallica and Aerosmith, who have both been involved in GH/RB games before. To suddenly pull the switch from "Okay, you can use my songs" to "Wait, never mind, I want a bigger cut of the pie" smacks of renegotiations and greed. Do you really think that "Trapped Under Ice" was the developers' first pick for GHWT? No, they had to pick from the B squad because all of the big hits were being saved for GH Metallica. Compare this to AC/DC and the Beatles, who are obviously going to present the choice of "Our own game, or nothing. You pick."
If this Beatles thing ends up being huge—like, 60+ songs, specialized game types, the works—it wouldn't bother me, even if it ends up non-exportable. If it's just a hack job like Rocks the 80s or GH Aerosmith, though, count me out.
If this game doesn't offer the chance to export the same way ACDC does, then I'll be very surprised.
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Tell people they can buy a Beatles game that's like Rock Band, and you get blank cheques.
Well from what I've seen, GH: Aerosmith was just 2 notches above GH: Rocks the 80s in terms of quality and innovation. I may be way off as I've only ever played in-store versions of that game, but all they really did was take GH3, create the Aerosmith dudes as characters, and make the setlist all Aerosmith related songs, correct?
What this press release seems to imply, as well as Moss saying they've been keeping this secret for a while, is that Harmonix is going to do exactly the opposite of that with this Beatles game. Ground-up development, Beatles imagery and history entwined in the game, etc, etc...
Also, GH: Aerosmith relied on the Guitar Hero name and the Aerosmith name for sales and that was it really. According to the press release, the Beatles game is not going to carry the Rock Band name. That implies specific avoidance of brand whoring...
For my part...I realize it would be vocalist only so not really any point to it being in-game, but I would LOVE the chance to sing Elanor Rigby.
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I'm just imagining here, but ... this is specifically the kind of place where this Beatles game can ditch the preconceptions of being a Rock Band game. Why can't you sing Eleanor Rigby? (Why wouldn't you?) It could be made as a vocalist-only challenge in the game. If it doesn't have to have the qualifications of what other Rock Band songs require (moderately interesting on all four parts, should have four parts, rock-based, etc.), what's stopping a different setup?
I'm picturing something kind of similar to Band World Tour but completely torn down and rebuilt with the Beatles legacy in mind. Kind of progressing chronologically, along with band interviews, archive footage, Behind the Music–esque things to pair along with playing and enjoying challenges. Maybe it requires that you have a guitar, a drumset and a microphone to play it, so you can experience all of the members' viewpoints. If there's one thing Harmonix loves, it's needless trivia and music-nerd wankery. This is the kind of thing that interests me.
with five giant plastic keys, one of each color.
Seriously, not saying you're wrong, but how would that work?