Curious... Why are some of you upgrading to this? It's still beta, and eventually they're going to hit the "off" switch... what will you do? Why would you choose to overwrite your current OS for one that isn't going to last forever? Again, just curious...
Got my 64-bit downloaded and got a key, probably just going to make a partition on one of the SATAs.
When they hit the "off" switch there will most likely either be:
A) A final release available A Beta v2 that will extend until the final
I can't think of a Beta version of a Microsoft OS that I've installed that expired before a new version was out, or where you couldn't at least extend that beta's activation period.
Curious... Why are some of you upgrading to this? It's still beta, and eventually they're going to hit the "off" switch... what will you do? Why would you choose to overwrite your current OS for one that isn't going to last forever? Again, just curious...
Got my 64-bit downloaded and got a key, probably just going to make a partition on one of the SATAs.
When they hit the "off" switch there will most likely either be:
A) A final release available A Beta v2 that will extend until the final
I can't think of a Beta version of a Microsoft OS that I've installed that expired before a new version was out, or where you couldn't at least extend that beta's activation period.
Hm. So what do you expect the price to be? Do you foresee a discount for Vista users (other than the one they already mentioned), or even Beta users?
No idea regarding price. I assume, retail-wise, it'll be similar to Vista's SKUs. As for a discount for Vista users: I'd be surprised if they did something like that. I mean, other than the "upgrade" discs costing less I don't foresee Microsoft giving a discount for you having Vista on your machine when you buy 7.
With Vista they just released a new version of the beta, where they gave you a new code and allowed the your test copy to continue and then when the new OS does come out we can just switch from the test to full retail.
Yea, best current estimates put the Win 7 Release candidate coming out around april, with the Final release in June/July. MS will never admit to this, but several sources close to microsoft say that this is the likely target they are going for.
If someone is still running the beta 3 months after the RC comes out and 1 month after the final version comes out, they deserve to have it turned off on them.
Curious... Why are some of you upgrading to this? It's still beta, and eventually they're going to hit the "off" switch... what will you do? Why would you choose to overwrite your current OS for one that isn't going to last forever? Again, just curious...
Got my 64-bit downloaded and got a key, probably just going to make a partition on one of the SATAs.
I upgraded an extra Vista install . Not that it matters, as I just had to reinstall it as soon as I was done.
I had a scary experience this morning with Win7: got up, went to my computer, and heard the unmistakable sound of my 4850 fan going at full tilt (unmistakable because I seldom have jets flying around in my house.) Hit ESC, and... only my tertiary display (primary and secondary running off the 4850) turned on.
Powered down, hit the power button and... tertiary only. Started pricing out a 4870 in my head. Felt the 4850 to see how hot it was, and was surprised to find it cool to the touch. Hit power again, and this time it powered on. Benchmarks fine, no artifacts.
Wonder what happened there. I assume Win7 had some issue with reinitializing the card from suspend. The gpu fan goes full tilt for a second when it's first powered up, and I'm thinking perhaps it got stuck there with the card failing to fully initialize.
I got tired of XP, so my options were to buy Vista, or use 7 for free until August.
*cough*ubuntu*cough*
When will people realize that this is not a real option for lots of people, no matter how nice a linux distro it is?
I don't see why it wouldn't be, unless they're into PC gaming.
There are two things that are keeping me tied to Windows: Games and Zune software. That's it. Just about everything else I can do with Ubuntu, and for free.
I got tired of XP, so my options were to buy Vista, or use 7 for free until August.
*cough*ubuntu*cough*
When will people realize that this is not a real option for lots of people, no matter how nice a linux distro it is?
I don't see why it wouldn't be, unless they're into PC gaming.
There are two things that are keeping me tied to Windows: Games and Zune software. That's it. Just about everything else I can do with Ubuntu, and for free.
And really, what are the chances that someone on the PA Forums is in to PC gaming? Slim to none, I swear.
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Well hey now, his problem was that he was "bored" with XP. If that's his only qualification, Ubuntu is fantastic - there's SO much shit in there to learn.
Alternatively, you could dual-boot Ubuntu and XP. That's what I do these days and it works just fine. Ubuntu starting with 8.04 can read and write NTFS just fine, and you can install Ext2 IFS so you can read/write your ext2/ext3 partitions from Windows.
(Though as soon as W7 comes out, I'll be dual-booting Ubuntu and 7.)
I got tired of XP, so my options were to buy Vista, or use 7 for free until August.
*cough*ubuntu*cough*
When will people realize that this is not a real option for lots of people, no matter how nice a linux distro it is?
I don't see why it wouldn't be, unless they're into PC gaming.
There are two things that are keeping me tied to Windows: Games and Zune software. That's it. Just about everything else I can do with Ubuntu, and for free.
And really, what are the chances that someone on the PA Forums is in to PC gaming? Slim to none, I swear.
I wasn't referring strictly to the people on the PA boards.
There are shit tons of people who don't give a damn about PC gaming beyond Yahoo Bridge or whatever.
(Though as soon as W7 comes out, I'll be dual-booting Ubuntu and 7.)
Pfft, already beat you to it. I run in Ubuntu for non-windows development, and Windows the rest of the time. One thing that I've always been happy about with Vista (and now 7) is that it supports other OSes in its bootloader.
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can we not have the Linux discussion here, please?
Joe user will never use linux. Joe user wants iTunes, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Word, iMovie, etc. Until apple ports iTunes to Linux, MS ports Office to Linux, etc, Linux will continue to be irrelevant, regardless of whether the similar software in Linux is better.
I'm sorry, I use linux, and I think that linux will always have a place in my home, but lets not kid ourselves here.
Actually, I'd like to sidetrack a little bit longer, but it's relevant.
jonxp, this question is for you: If I have a working Ubuntu/XP dual-boot install and my bootloader is currently grub, and I wipe my XP drive and fresh install W7:
a) Will that work?
b) Will I get the Windows 7 bootloader, fully-recognizing both Ubuntu and W7?
Actually, I'd like to sidetrack a little bit longer, but it's relevant.
jonxp, this question is for you: If I have a working Ubuntu/XP dual-boot install and my bootloader is currently grub, and I wipe my XP drive and fresh install W7:
a) Will that work?
b) Will I get the Windows 7 bootloader, fully-recognizing both Ubuntu and W7?
It depends on which disk grub is on. If it's on your XP drive then you will have to reinstall grub after wiping it. Windows BCD will not detect your Ubuntu install, so if you want to use a bootloader it's probably better to use grub. Personally I prefer to just discretely install each operating system and its bootloader to a respective disk and then use the BIOS' boot select screen to choose which drive to boot up from.
I love this OS to death. BUT: has anyone figured out how get Firefox out of Safe-Mode in it? I miss my add-ons.
not sure if anyone replied yet, but i noticed today that the taskbar icon i pinned was safe mode. i unpinned it, then went to the start menu and pinned the normal one.
Actually, I'd like to sidetrack a little bit longer, but it's relevant.
jonxp, this question is for you: If I have a working Ubuntu/XP dual-boot install and my bootloader is currently grub, and I wipe my XP drive and fresh install W7:
a) Will that work?
b) Will I get the Windows 7 bootloader, fully-recognizing both Ubuntu and W7?
You'll need EasyBCD after you install Win7, and you'll need to backup your grub configuration most likely. The way I did it personally was to install Ubuntu after I installed Vista, and put GRUB on a different drive. I then used EasyBCD to set up loading GRUB from the Windows bootloader. However I knew what I needed beforehand.
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Well, if W7's bootloader won't autodetect Ubuntu, I know how to go and recover grub and modify it to boot XP - I presume it's the same for W7.
I have no clue when I'm going to have time for this. I have honest-to-God work to do, and Left 4 Dead to play, and birthday parties and rock back and I'm going to go see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Girl]The Machine Girl[/url] this week.
I guess I'll just have to keep reading this thread and you guys just spooging over 7.
ATi have released a preview of their Windows 7 drivers, haven't they? You could try those. Otherwise the drivers that come with a Windows Update in 7 work well enough.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
I just fired up the beta and it is made of win. This is the operating system Vista was supposed to be.
I think this sums up my feelings on Win7 pretty well (and I'm not even that hard on Vista.) I think MS actually managed to reduce resource consumption while delivering a better UI.
Haven't been as happy about a microsoft beta since Windows 2000.
I linked the ATI Win7 drivers a couple pages back, I'm not sure if they also include mobility or not (it had a list of compatible card series.) Others have mentioned that compatibility-mode for driver installation has worked well for them, and it's what I'm about to try with the 9600M on my lappy.
I am seriously tempted to just upgrade install this on top of Vista but I'm worried it could break something, and too lazy to do a full install. Obviously installing it on my laptop is out of the question because Apple's Godawful drivers barely work in Vista, let alone a beta system
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I upgraded because I was super-lazy and couldn't be bothered figuring out how to partition my hard-drive, I can always reinstall Vista.
Has anyone else been finding their speakers occasionally crackle if say you have a period of silence, then do something that creates some noise the speakers always seem to crackle, all I'm doing is using the onboard sound so it's not some elaborate and foreign soundcard.
I've been using onboard sounds for years, my last actual sound card was a SoundBlaster Live!. Currently my desktop has a 5.1 speaker set hooked up the onboard Realtek HD Audio chip, and it sounds great. Seeing as none of the other OS' I've had on the media pc - Vista, Kubuntu - have had issues with sound, the only possible conclusion is that 7 is at fault here, not any cheap onboard sound chip.
Edit - I saw what you did there!
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
I've been using the 64 bit version of Windows 7 on my (Santa Rosa) Macbook with no issues. It actually works quite well although you have to track down the 64 bit Bootcamp drivers to get the special keyboard shortcuts and such working. Most of the hardware was autodetected thankfully.
Hmm, maybe I'll give it a try then. I'm on 32 bit and all the drivers are installed so I guess it can't hurt to give the upgrade a whirl.
While we're on the subject, since we have the same laptop, have you been finding that it doesn't fully resume from sleep, as in the machine spins up but the display stays dead, at random intervals? I've already had to hard reset twice today because of that issue.
I have had that a couple of times. Closing the lid and opening it again or plugging it into an external monitor was enough to get it to stop acting up although sometimes I'd have to fiddle around a little first. I haven't had trouble like that in quite a while, though.
So I'm getting in a new 1tb hard drive tomorrow, and I was thinking I might fire up this Windows 7 beta on it and start over, as it were. I use a wide variety of software and games both great and small--am I going to have issues?
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So I'm getting in a new 1tb hard drive tomorrow, and I was thinking I might fire up this Windows 7 beta on it and start over, as it were. I use a wide variety of software and games both great and small--am I going to have issues?
The only incompatibility I've come across is with Daemon Tools. That goes for Alcohol, too - the only virtual drive software that works with 7 so far is Virtual Drive, which isn't great, but at least you can mount discs with it.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
If you have 'must use' software, let people know and I'm sure they'll tell you if there are compatibility issues. By and large I've entered the Win7 realm unscathed ---KMPlayer, I notice, does not always seem to tie the mousewheel to volume control. Catalyst likes to crash when I change GPU scaling options. My audio over HDMI once disappeared for no reason.
I haven't seen a better beta OS since Win2000 RC2.
If anyone wants a compatibility/incompatibility list, I'd be happy to start one:
KMPlayer
Media Player Classic
Steam
TF2
Pidgin
uTorrent
Chrome (must add "--in-process-plugins" argument to target box in the shortcut) FileZilla client
Firefox
Avast
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
PowerISO
Tribes 2
Skype Beta
Daemon Tools
Alcohol
Photoshop CS3
Ok, I added alcohol and daemon as incompatible since it's been mentioned a couple times.
*Tribes 2 can just be a pest so maybe it's just me. Somebody let me know if they have it running on Win7.
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A) A final release available
I can't think of a Beta version of a Microsoft OS that I've installed that expired before a new version was out, or where you couldn't at least extend that beta's activation period.
Hm. So what do you expect the price to be? Do you foresee a discount for Vista users (other than the one they already mentioned), or even Beta users?
Doesn't seem to run any slower than XP, which is nice.
Pretty sure i'll be running it until august.
Yea, best current estimates put the Win 7 Release candidate coming out around april, with the Final release in June/July. MS will never admit to this, but several sources close to microsoft say that this is the likely target they are going for.
If someone is still running the beta 3 months after the RC comes out and 1 month after the final version comes out, they deserve to have it turned off on them.
Rumor has it that Win7 will be released in July.
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I upgraded an extra Vista install
I had a scary experience this morning with Win7: got up, went to my computer, and heard the unmistakable sound of my 4850 fan going at full tilt (unmistakable because I seldom have jets flying around in my house.) Hit ESC, and... only my tertiary display (primary and secondary running off the 4850) turned on.
Powered down, hit the power button and... tertiary only. Started pricing out a 4870 in my head. Felt the 4850 to see how hot it was, and was surprised to find it cool to the touch. Hit power again, and this time it powered on. Benchmarks fine, no artifacts.
Wonder what happened there. I assume Win7 had some issue with reinitializing the card from suspend. The gpu fan goes full tilt for a second when it's first powered up, and I'm thinking perhaps it got stuck there with the card failing to fully initialize.
*cough*ubuntu*cough*
When will people realize that this is not a real option for lots of people, no matter how nice a linux distro it is?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I don't see why it wouldn't be, unless they're into PC gaming.
There are two things that are keeping me tied to Windows: Games and Zune software. That's it. Just about everything else I can do with Ubuntu, and for free.
And really, what are the chances that someone on the PA Forums is in to PC gaming? Slim to none, I swear.
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Alternatively, you could dual-boot Ubuntu and XP. That's what I do these days and it works just fine. Ubuntu starting with 8.04 can read and write NTFS just fine, and you can install Ext2 IFS so you can read/write your ext2/ext3 partitions from Windows.
(Though as soon as W7 comes out, I'll be dual-booting Ubuntu and 7.)
Release to Manufacturing and General Availability (read: on the shelf, SKUs in Volume price lists/PUR/Product List) are different things.
I wasn't referring strictly to the people on the PA boards.
There are shit tons of people who don't give a damn about PC gaming beyond Yahoo Bridge or whatever.
Pfft, already beat you to it. I run in Ubuntu for non-windows development, and Windows the rest of the time. One thing that I've always been happy about with Vista (and now 7) is that it supports other OSes in its bootloader.
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Joe user will never use linux. Joe user wants iTunes, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Word, iMovie, etc. Until apple ports iTunes to Linux, MS ports Office to Linux, etc, Linux will continue to be irrelevant, regardless of whether the similar software in Linux is better.
I'm sorry, I use linux, and I think that linux will always have a place in my home, but lets not kid ourselves here.
Actually, I'd like to sidetrack a little bit longer, but it's relevant.
jonxp, this question is for you: If I have a working Ubuntu/XP dual-boot install and my bootloader is currently grub, and I wipe my XP drive and fresh install W7:
a) Will that work?
b) Will I get the Windows 7 bootloader, fully-recognizing both Ubuntu and W7?
How's hibernation?
I'm going to install it tonight, have a HDD backup spooling to my external drive right now.
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not sure if anyone replied yet, but i noticed today that the taskbar icon i pinned was safe mode. i unpinned it, then went to the start menu and pinned the normal one.
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Follow the instructions found here: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm
You'll need EasyBCD after you install Win7, and you'll need to backup your grub configuration most likely. The way I did it personally was to install Ubuntu after I installed Vista, and put GRUB on a different drive. I then used EasyBCD to set up loading GRUB from the Windows bootloader. However I knew what I needed beforehand.
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I have no clue when I'm going to have time for this. I have honest-to-God work to do, and Left 4 Dead to play, and birthday parties and rock back and I'm going to go see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Girl]The Machine Girl[/url] this week.
I guess I'll just have to keep reading this thread and you guys just spooging over 7.
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
I think this sums up my feelings on Win7 pretty well (and I'm not even that hard on Vista.) I think MS actually managed to reduce resource consumption while delivering a better UI.
Haven't been as happy about a microsoft beta since Windows 2000.
Has anyone else been finding their speakers occasionally crackle if say you have a period of silence, then do something that creates some noise the speakers always seem to crackle, all I'm doing is using the onboard sound so it's not some elaborate and foreign soundcard.
Satans..... hints.....
Edit - I saw what you did there!
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
While we're on the subject, since we have the same laptop, have you been finding that it doesn't fully resume from sleep, as in the machine spins up but the display stays dead, at random intervals? I've already had to hard reset twice today because of that issue.
I hate this computer
The only incompatibility I've come across is with Daemon Tools. That goes for Alcohol, too - the only virtual drive software that works with 7 so far is Virtual Drive, which isn't great, but at least you can mount discs with it.
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
If you have 'must use' software, let people know and I'm sure they'll tell you if there are compatibility issues. By and large I've entered the Win7 realm unscathed ---KMPlayer, I notice, does not always seem to tie the mousewheel to volume control. Catalyst likes to crash when I change GPU scaling options. My audio over HDMI once disappeared for no reason.
I haven't seen a better beta OS since Win2000 RC2.
If anyone wants a compatibility/incompatibility list, I'd be happy to start one:
KMPlayer
Media Player Classic
Steam
TF2
Pidgin
uTorrent
Chrome (must add "--in-process-plugins" argument to target box in the shortcut)
FileZilla client
Firefox
Avast
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
PowerISO
Tribes 2
Skype Beta
Daemon Tools
Alcohol
Photoshop CS3
Ok, I added alcohol and daemon as incompatible since it's been mentioned a couple times.
*Tribes 2 can just be a pest so maybe it's just me. Somebody let me know if they have it running on Win7.