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Can an institution ban 3rd party wifi networks?

voidman2000voidman2000 Registered User new member
There's a rumor going around that the university I'm at is thinking about banning private, encrypted wireless networks in the dorms. They already have a policy about not connecting wifi routers to ResNet (which I can understand; unsecured student access points could be a network security issue), but this new policy would affect people using Clearwire.

The official reason is that student wifi networks can interfere with the campus wifi network mesh. So do microwave ovens, but that's another story.

Question: under FCC regulations, is this OK?

Interestingly, I haven't found anything that seems useful. There was a similar thing at University of Texas, but UT:D didn't own the dorms there.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    how could they enforce it or prove you're running one?

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Theoretically they can ban whatever the fuck they want, it's a Uni network and as someone who worked for a long enough time for a Uni IT team, they can and will do whatever they feel like.

    But also theoretically if you don't broadcast the SSID they're unlikely to notice it.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    ben0207 wrote: »
    Theoretically they can ban whatever the fuck they want, it's a Uni network and as someone who worked for a long enough time for a Uni IT team, they can and will do whatever they feel like.

    But also theoretically if you don't broadcast the SSID they're unlikely to notice it.

    Unless they're actively looking for wifi networks, it's trivially easy to find wireless networks that don't broadcast their SSID's.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    yea, they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want, and yes, it's stupidly easy to find a wifi network even if it's not broadcasting an SSID.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    how could they enforce it or prove you're running one?

    You can buy wifi network sniffers for about five bucks. If they detect one, they just raid all the dorms in the vicinity and confiscate any unauthorised wireless routers they find.

    And yeah, as far as I can figure, if it's on campus, in university owned dorms, it's banable, considering it's their dorms and they make the rules.

    But that doesn't mean your student body couldn't or shouldn't necessarily oppose the decision if it is real. Protesting about little things like it's a Big Deal is part of the University experience.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Move off-campus, and you won't have to deal with this bullshit and you won't have to live in a room the size of my closet.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Move off-campus, and you won't have to deal with this bullshit and you won't have to live in a room the size of my closet.

    I know I've said this before, but I've left a college because of their draconian internet policies and equally draconian infrastructure.

    If I can't pull more than 3 kb down, with motherfucking 18 OC3 lines, something the fuck is wrong considering most students didn't live in the dorms, but on off-campus housing.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    If they detect one, they just raid all the dorms in the vicinity and confiscate any unauthorised wireless routers they find.

    That's what I'm talking about.

    They can't prove it unless they see the router in the room, right?

    And how are they getting people's rooms?

    Are dorms different from regular places of tenancy where you can't enter a tenant's room without notice and a reason?

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It's possible to triangulate a wifi source, so it is possible to prove unauthorised broadcasting without entering rooms. But it'll be surprising if your IT dept. is that fanatical about rooting out third-party wifi.

    If they care at all, raiding rooms seems much more likely; disassemble and hide the router in something innocuous.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    If they detect one, they just raid all the dorms in the vicinity and confiscate any unauthorised wireless routers they find.

    That's what I'm talking about.

    They can't prove it unless they see the router in the room, right?

    And how are they getting people's rooms?

    Are dorms different from regular places of tenancy where you can't enter a tenant's room without notice and a reason?

    Again, campus dorms, campus rules. I know a guy who had his dorm subject to regular, suprise inspections. IT's their way or the highway, and there's really shit all you can do.

    If you're that pissed about it, move off campus, don't riskk getting yourself in shit over wifi.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    ronya wrote: »
    It's possible to triangulate a wifi source, so it is possible to prove unauthorised broadcasting without entering rooms. But it'll be surprising if your IT dept. is that fanatical about rooting out third-party wifi.

    If they care at all, raiding rooms seems much more likely; disassemble and hide the router in something innocuous.

    As illegal (in terms of breaking your rental agreement) as this is, it's probably the best route.

    Get a HDD enclosure, take apart your router, and get it to fit. If you're lucky your router should fit fine. Tape the antennae to the inside of the box. Yay, hidden router that looks like a hard drive. For good measure get some sort of light that you can plug in so it's "on".

    But you should probably just either man up and deal with it or move off campus and not deal with that bullshit. Get your own apartment with a roomate, it'll be shitloads cheaper and you won't have to be on their "meal plans" which are "let's rape you for lots of more money and give you some shitty ass food."

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  • Caelum MilitisCaelum Militis Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Alternately, don't bypass a rule that is in place to help the students (assuming it's not just a rumor).

    Unless you actually know what you're doing, setting up your own wifi network in the middle of someone elses wifi network can mess things up for the other students trying to use the campus network. If you don't like the campus policies, move off campus, don't screw things up for people who have no choice but live on campus.

    And no, saying it's ok because a microwave can mess up wifi as well isn't a legit argument. Almost all modern wifi equipment, especially non-consumer class equipment like what your campus is probably using, can account for (non-ancient) microwaves and suffer little to no impact.

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  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Having worked for two university IT departments in the last 6 years, I am 100% positive that your university can allow and ban whatever they want on their network. It's not against the law and somewhere in all the paperwork you signed to live in the dorms is an acceptable use policy for the network, so you're fucked either way.

    Don't try to circumvent the policy by hiding your router in a different enclosure. They will find it and they will make you take it off the network. It's not worth your time or energy to even try.

    Move off campus if you don't like it.

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