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State of the US Congress and Governorships

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Senate results
House results
Governor results

The Presidency is important, but there were plenty of other races yesterday as well. The Democrats (as of 11/5) have picked up at least six seats in the Senate and a damn truckload in the House, with a few tight races in each yet to be determined.

Right now it looks like Merkley will hold on in Oregon, and Franken in Minnesota will need a recount if he's to avenge the late Paul Wellstone. Meanwhile Georgia's going to hold a special runoff at some point here for Saxby Chambliss's seat, and Jebus knows what they hell they're doing up in Moose country.

Right now the Democrats hold a 56-40 advantage in the Senate (with the four seats mentioned above yet to be determined). This includes Joe Lieberman of Connecticut (bad) and Bernie Sanders of Vermont (good!) who while technically Independents are counted as blue for the purposes of determining Senate leadership. This was critical before yesterday, as the Dems held their majority by a margin of exactly one, but now there are hopes that the party can tell Lieberman to just fuck off already. Meanwhile Minority leader Mitch McConnell won his tight reelection bid, so the Republican leadership isn't expected to change for the time being.

As for the house, the Democrats are expected to hold an ~80 seat advantage when the dust clears, so no real worries there. It was hoped that they could grab at least enough seats for a 60 vote, filibuster proof majority in the Senate, but that looks to be extraordinarily unlikely at this point.

The Democrats gained one governorship (in Missouri) but there were only two close races overall, in Washington and North Carolina with the Democrats holding on to both states.

So, now we have Franken's recount and Georgia's runoff to focus on. And again, Alaska is anybody's guess. Election 2008 has been a thunderous victory for the Democrats overall, but there are still a few brushfires here and there to focus on in the near future. If you live in Georgia (or just don't have anything better to do) be prepared to volunteer some time for your candidate of choice.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    I'm not sure we should go after Lieberman, at least not until he lets us down in setting up the groundwork to defeat prop 8 in the courts (we make it a federally protected group, and there you go)

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Indeed. I was disappointed that Collins won so handily, but I'm not really surprised. We haven't produced a decent Democrat since George Mitchell, and Baldacci's been really disappointing. Maine leans blue overall (and seems to be getting bluer) but we just aren't producing quality candidates at the local level because all the talent leaves at the first opportunity.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
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    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Wait, what happened to Snowe/Collins?


    They sounded nice. I was pulling for either of them to be Obama's VP.

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
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    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Wait, what happened to Snowe/Collins?


    They sounded nice. I was pulling for either of them to be Obama's VP.

    Still in the Senate. No Pubs in the House, is what he meant.

    Are there any other Republican Senators in NE? I should check that. Governors?

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
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    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Wait, what happened to Snowe/Collins?


    They sounded nice. I was pulling for either of them to be Obama's VP.

    Sorry, in the House.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
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    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Wait, what happened to Snowe/Collins?


    They sounded nice. I was pulling for either of them to be Obama's VP.

    Still in the Senate. No Pubs in the House, is what he meant.

    Are there any other Republican Senators in NE? I should check that. Governors?

    Well, Romney still has a position, though he hasn't claimed in yet, or at least his head does. The position is On a Spike.

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Three Republican Governors (Jim Douglas easily won reelection in Vermont) but Collins and Snowe are the only Republican Senators now that Sununu is gone. Sanders and Lieberman are Independents, as previously noted.

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I voted for Collins in '02 (my first election) but damn she has pissed me off lately. Snowe was always the more conservative of the two before they joined the Senate, but they've really moved in opposite directions since Bush's reelection. My mother's former office had done a fair bit of stuff with Senator Collins and they worked well together, but lately even she has noticed the change (and she has always hated Snowe).

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    So, if I had a choice, I'd rather see Merkley lose than Franken.
    Why?

    I'm fairly certain Merkley is going to be a better senator than Franken is.
    Merkley losing nets a more 'agreeable' Republican Senator than Franken losing. Stevens would have been the prize, though. I don't care if he was convicted, the man still has enough seniority to fuck shit up.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    As a Washingtonian, I say that I hope after this Dino Rossi will stop running for governor.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    I voted for Collins in '02 (my first election) but damn she has pissed me off lately. Snowe was always the more conservative of the two before they joined the Senate, but they've really moved in opposite directions since Bush's reelection. My mother's former office had done a fair bit of stuff with Senator Collins and they worked well together, but lately even she has noticed the change (and she has always hated Snowe).

    What'd she do?

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    I voted for Collins in '02 (my first election) but damn she has pissed me off lately. Snowe was always the more conservative of the two before they joined the Senate, but they've really moved in opposite directions since Bush's reelection. My mother's former office had done a fair bit of stuff with Senator Collins and they worked well together, but lately even she has noticed the change (and she has always hated Snowe).

    What'd she do?

    Mostly the habeus corpus thing WRT Gitmo and such. That pissed me right the fuck off. Honestly I don't know about Snowe's actual voting record on individual civil rights issues, but Collins is the one who seeks the camera and spews the party line, especially up here in Maine. She is much more of a political opportunist, as opposed to Snowe who has been part of the party machine for almost her whole adult life. That sounds worse, but she is remarkably consistent as a stateswoman and saves her bluster for behind closed doors, where it counts.

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    Captain UltraCaptain Ultra low resolution pictures of birds Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Damnit, why do we need a 60 seat majority? Why not just have Reid renegotiate this whole "painless fillibuster" and make the republicans actually stand up and talk endlessly to hold up Health Care, Iraq Funding and the rest? We don't need 60 seats, we need a Senate Majority leader with a backbone.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Damnit, why do we need a 60 seat majority? Why not just have Reid renegotiate this whole "painless fillibuster" and make the republicans actually stand up and talk endlessly to hold up Health Care, Iraq Funding and the rest? We don't need 60 seats, we need a Senate Majority leader with a backbone.
    We definitely need a new Majority Leader, one with way more balls.

    I think Hillary Clinton's schedule is clear for the next four years.

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
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    Damnit, why do we need a 60 seat majority? Why not just have Reid renegotiate this whole "painless fillibuster" and make the republicans actually stand up and talk endlessly to hold up Health Care, Iraq Funding and the rest? We don't need 60 seats, we need a Senate Majority leader with a backbone.
    We definitely need a new Majority Leader, one with way more balls.

    I think Hillary Clinton's schedule is clear for the next four years.

    At this point I'd settle for Amy Poehler playing Hillary Clinton.

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    KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Looks like McClintock / Brown (California District 4) won't be certain for a few more days. McClintock leads by only 500 votes.

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/main.results/#val=H

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/05/AR2008110504338.html

    This is an conservative district on the Nevada and Oregon border that is historically heavily Republican and McClintock is a well known conservative poster child in California politics (California Conservative mind you not Southern Conservative). The fact this is even contested illustrates how terrible the GOP brand is right now.

    McClintock originally endorsed Fred Thompson and then switched his heavily sought after endorsement to Ron Paul after Thompson dropped out.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    The Republicans no longer represent New England at all. That seems somewhat significant.

    Wait, what happened to Snowe/Collins?


    They sounded nice. I was pulling for either of them to be Obama's VP.

    Still in the Senate. No Pubs in the House, is what he meant.

    Are there any other Republican Senators in NE? I should check that. Governors?

    Judd Gregg is New Hampshire's senior Senator, I think.

    Oh, and Joe Lieberman, obviously.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Damnit, why do we need a 60 seat majority? Why not just have Reid renegotiate this whole "painless fillibuster" and make the republicans actually stand up and talk endlessly to hold up Health Care, Iraq Funding and the rest? We don't need 60 seats, we need a Senate Majority leader with a backbone.

    Seriously. If they want to filibuster they should have to go through the theatrics--let everyone see that they're playing obstruction.

    They're lucky we don't change the rules to require only a simple majority, the way they threatened to if we didn't cave on judges.

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    I'm conflicted about HRC as Senate Majority leader. She's certainly fierce enough for the constant battles, but remember her Healthcare plans tanked because she was unwilling to compromise when that path presented itself. The Senate badly, badly needs to get some shit done. And there need to be comprises to get there. The filibuster absolutely needs to go though, it has gotten pretty ridicilous.

    And yeah, getting Stevens out would be highly preferable. I don't see it happening though. And i'm not at all sure the Senate is going to try and get that 67 vote to get rid of him. It's a dangerous thing to do at the start of a new administration, and will set a lot of bad blood no matter what the outcome is. And even then, Senator Palin is looming.

    How are the seats up for grabs in 2010 looking? if there are GOP senators in dire positions, those may be a lot more approachable to get some moderate deals in.

    As a final note, the House is looking for another ramming course, since the GOP are totally powerless there, they're going to throw tantrums all day and all night. Early evidence is Tom deLay's total fucking crazy interview on MSNBC on election night, which included such quotes as "Pelosi is going to double the minimum wage, destroy our military, whargarblllll

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    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Can we talk about the mid-terms in here too? I think Gosling had a list of people defending their seats in the House and Senate in 2010, and I know that our junior Senator here in Florida, Mel Martinez, is one of them. I'm not sure who we'd throw at him, but I think that whoever it is needs to be either Cuban or Jewish, because he's Cuban and would have the Latino vote locked down in south Florida (it's essentially how he won in the first place). It will certainly help if the Democrats can get some good, solid legislative victories over the next two years, though.

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
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    I'd have to go through it all again, but I do remember two things:

    *19 Republican seats up for grabs, 15 Democratic seats.
    *Jim Bunning is a dead duck. Good.

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Oregon's just been called by MSNBC for Merkley, so that's 57 seats...

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    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The scuttlebutt says that Reid is stripping Liebermann of his committee chairs today. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

    Oh my god, I will overdose on uncut schadenfreude when Senator Droopy Dog gets exiled to Senate Siberia.

    The only possible better option is if Reid says that Lieberman can keep his seat as long as he never voluntarily appears on any TV program for the remainder of his chairmanship.

    Crossposted because it feels more at home here.

    This has to happen today. I don't want them to wait to see what happens with the remaining races, because as was mentioned they'd probably have an easier time grabbing one of the more more moderate Republicans when they need them than keeping Liebs happy anyway.

    Fuck that guy.

    Then they need to run somebody against him again when he's up. I think absent any committee positions or real power to do shit for his home state, that might finally send him packing.

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    DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    I think Hilary Clinton would make Palin cry.

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    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    More like how they'd get her back for her "in charge" statement. I can imagine telling her that she she had just become his official asswiper.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Dman wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    I think Hilary Clinton would make Palin cry.

    Oh yea, if Katie Couric could push her around, without meaning to, any senator with an ounce of self-worth would crush her.

    She'd end up sitting all on her own somewhere in the corner.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Scooter wrote: »
    Dman wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    I think Hilary Clinton would make Palin cry.

    Oh yea, if Katie Couric could push her around, with meaning to, any senator with an ounce of self-worth would crush her.

    She'd end up sitting all on her own somewhere in the corner.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You know the 4-panel meme of the VP debate with Biden grinning and Palin looking all sad and hurt?

    I'm imagining that conversation happening half a dozen times a day. With different senators each time. And 2/3rds of them being Republicans.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The scuttlebutt says that Reid is stripping Liebermann of his committee chairs today. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

    Oh my god, I will overdose on uncut schadenfreude when Senator Droopy Dog gets exiled to Senate Siberia.

    The only possible better option is if Reid says that Lieberman can keep his seat as long as he never voluntarily appears on any TV program for the remainder of his chairmanship.

    Crossposted because it feels more at home here.

    This has to happen today. I don't want them to wait to see what happens with the remaining races, because as was mentioned they'd probably have an easier time grabbing one of the more more moderate Republicans when they need them than keeping Liebs happy anyway.

    Fuck that guy.

    Then they need to run somebody against him again when he's up. I think absent any committee positions or real power to do shit for his home state, that might finally send him packing.

    The funny starts at the 3-minute mark if you haven't seen it:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184085&title=john-mccain-the-person-he-is

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    TalkaTalka Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    So Al Franken is now down by only 337 votes. I had given up on it, but I think it's close enough now that a recount could plausibly swing things.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    <3Henry Waxman for trying to get my Congressman tossed out of his committee chairmanship. John Dingell (D-Ann Arbor/Monroe MI, but really D-GM/Ford/Chrysler) is the chair of the energy committee in the House. If having a guy bought and paid for by the car companies chairing the committee on energy seems like a bad idea to you, you have some common sense.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    He he, Dingell.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Dman wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    I think Hilary Clinton would make Palin cry.

    Hillary Clinton would make *Todd* Palin cry.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I'd like to see Durbin as Senate Majority Leader, myself.

    Also, if Chambliss goes into a runoff (as it looks like he will), he is utterly fucked, because there are legions of Democratic organizers who no longer have anything to do and would personally like to deliver to the Senate Majority Leader and Max Cleland a nice Chambliss-skin rug. They WILL go to GA and work for free to kick his ass. Hell, they ARE going as we speak.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
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    Dman wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Palin for US Senate! Palin for US Senate!

    I would love the stories of the other 99 Senators having to put up with her.

    I think Hilary Clinton would make Palin cry.

    Hillary Clinton would make *Todd* Palin cry.

    Well, the sight of those three balls is pretty horrifying.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Chris Dodd will be retaining his chairmanship on Banking
    * Conducting intensive oversight of the Administration’s implementation of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act;
    * Creating a 21st century financial architecture that spurs competition domestically and ensures that our financial institutions are properly capitalized, regulated, and supervised;
    * Strengthening protections for consumers in the areas of mortgage lending, credit card lending, and investor rights, among others;
    * Renewing our focus on the country’s housing needs;
    * Addressing critical economic and national security challenges facing our country;
    * Crafting a transit bill that helps address pressing national problems from low economic growth to higher gas prices to pollution and global warming.

    Yes please!

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I can't even begin to express how proud I am that my state's entire congressional delegation is now Democratic after being 3-2 Republican majority for about 12 years (It was 4-1 for a while when Bill Richardson left Congress for Clinton's Cabinet and was briefly replaced by a Republican who has since disappeared into super-duper-obscurity). Being a fiscal conservative, I cannot begin to express how much I disliked that people called Pete Domenici "St. Pete" mostly because of all of the federal money he brought in, making NM #2 in the nation for receiving more than twice as much fed money as we paid in through taxes. The state's economy is approximately 80% small businesses, with the largest employers oltherwise being the military and federal government, and the state government--something which makes me irate as a mofo because for two reasons: 1) There is an actual correlation to standards of living being measured by polls on everything from education to teen pregnancy going down as federal spending rose here, and 2) it has made NM (like Alaska) lazy because we have gotten used to this addiction of sucking on the teet of Big Government (while the state sucks on the dick of oil and gas revenues). I hope that the son of Stewart Udall now replacing Domenici now means that at the very least investment won't be focused almost exclusively on Los Alamos making better nuclear technology. Pete was the nuclear version of "Drill, Baby, Drill."

    Also, Jesus Christ on a stick. The county sheriff here was the R nominee for Congress and I am terrified at the thought of such an opportunistic Bush lackey as him being allowed anywhere near Washington. Luckily, his ass was kicked.

    The one interesting thing to note about a conservative Dem winning in the southern part of the state is that aside from it having been the "safe" R seat, the incumbent (who this time was running for Senate against Tom Udall) faced a very close race in 2006 against an insurgency campaign with no real support from anyone. But that same guy who gave Pearce a run for his money lost in the primaries because ... it seems he just got outspent. And that sucks because no one seems to have given him credit for even opening up the very idea that CD2 was remotely winnable by a Dem, and without Al Kissling in 2006 they'd never have bothered to make CD2 a target for takeover this year. And so in return, poor Al seems to have gotten stepped over on the road to D.C.

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