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I found myself thinking one day, that perhaps the drug culture and video game culture could work well together. The idea of some of my gamer friends embracing intoxicants brings up the idea of lan parties with bongs. I think that the two societies would mix well together once everyone got used to the other side.
If I'm off about this please tell me.
Actually from what I've seen they haven't. People wanted to smoke hashish or whatethefuckever at PAX, some others suggested that they would bring 'something else', they were told to not 'show up with something else'.
I don't think "doing drugs" is a valid form of culture.
Drugs have a very large culture surrounding them. You may not be a cultured person for being a stoner, but to say there isn't a stoner culture is...well, wrong.
The trick is to keep in mind the difference between the actvity and the fan culture. You can play video games and still find the gaming community to be unpleasant, and you can be a pot smoker withought being a damned hippie.
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VariableMouth CongressStroke Me Lady FameRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
gaming and drugs are absolutely cultures. if you meet someone who loves the same games as you, that shit matters. it's the same with drugs. or drinking (a drug, but I'm making the distinction on purpose). or movies. all that stuff. ways of connecting with people through shared -culture-.
I'm not really sure what the OP is saying though. as much as the two cultures merge at some places, they diverge a great deal in other areas. music and drug culture intertwine a lot, almost too much for me.
Also: Drugs and gaming are not counter-cultures. At all.
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clownfoodpacket pusherin the wallsRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
The OP conjured up images of when some beer company started running commercials mashing sports or other activities. Like Full Contact Golf or the Recliner Ski Jump.
Then there is Jon Stewart in Half Baked...Ever look at the stars...on WEED!!
I like the idea of cultures mixing. I figure it works for societies throughout history. I especially like the way sports has embraced various disciples for better performance, be it psychology or science.
Also: Drugs and gaming are not counter-cultures. At all.
I actually don't agree with this partially. Gaming is becoming more mainstream and less counter culture, but the illegal nature of drug use tends to keep it's counter-culture status. Most anything that goes against the laws of a society and the culture that surrounds it is considered counter-culture.
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FalloutGIRL'S DAYWAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered Userregular
Man I thought this was going to be a thread about, like, what happens when bollywood films meet anime?
Anyway, here is my story about gaming and drug cultures. This one time, I was at a brawl tournament. And this guy comes up to me and says "Hey man do you know where I can find some weed?" And I thought he said Wii because it was loud. And I was like "What?" And then he said it again and I laughed at my mistake and told him no. Then he went and asked some more people.
Good story, right? It totally transcends cultures.
Nothing about breaking the law is counter culture. Illegal activity is the longest standing tradition IN culture. Hell, theft and disobeying the authorities came before prostitution.
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BlueBlue: There is already a five hour Sailor Moon musical. Also multiple comic book musicals.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
o_O
Hell, there's an anime-style game that's a musical.
There is almost certainly a musical anime. I know there is a Phantom of the Opera anime out there.
Yeah, I know about rhapsody.
But, that was all just an example of an odd-couple pairing of cultures that I thought might be featured here, instead of games/drugs.
I'm talking German-Hawaiian fusion cuisine, here.
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Actually I think I got my hopes up based off a misreading of the title. Like, this is merging "counter-culture" and I was thinking merging "very different cultures". Whoops.
But hey if you think of the name of that PotO anime, pm me or something because I am suddenly interested.
Nothing about breaking the law is counter culture. Illegal activity is the longest standing tradition IN culture. Hell, theft and disobeying the authorities came before prostitution.
But illegal activity is not a social norm. The very definition of counter-culture is the the values and behavior of a group that run against the grain of the social mainstream. Most people are law abiding citizens, regardless of the millions that smoke weed or do whatever chemical is their particular vice. The majority of society do not pay women upfront with cash to have sex with them. Most people don't make a life of stealing and conning people.
You are right, so long as law has been around, there have been people breaking them. But those people are a definite minority who operates outside the social norm in accordance to their own values. This would make them a sub-culture or even a counter-culture.
Er, I have a lot of friends who partake of both cultures simultaneously. But then again, both cultures are pretty friendly with any other culture that isn't a complete ass.
I don't see how they'd benefit each other. I don't see how they are at odds with each other to begin with. I really am missing the point of the question. Drug rallies might improve gaming as less than a geeky thing? Game tournaments would be a place to debate pot legalization?
I didn't realize.
Also, maybe we should get the movie culture, and the "people who cross the street" culture to get together, too. By which I mean I don't see these as really strong cultures. China has a culture. There's sort of an American culture. But gaming and drug culture? I guess you could say that because things like Electronics Gaming Monthly and High Times exist. But is there a furniture culture because of IKEA?
I don't know. My head is spinning. This all seems silly.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
o_O
Hell, there's an anime-style game that's a musical.
There is almost certainly a musical anime. I know there is a Phantom of the Opera anime out there.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
o_O
Hell, there's an anime-style game that's a musical.
There is almost certainly a musical anime. I know there is a Phantom of the Opera anime out there.
Perhaps using the term counter-culture at the beginning of this thread was a bit extreme when referring to gamer culture. I was trying to think of scenarios where my drug friends and my gamer friends would have a good time together. Maybe my situation is unique, but my gamer friends are all quirky and out there, and my drug friends seem weird enough to get them. I'll admit that I could be off base on this however.
Yes and no. I dont mean that i want them to start abusing drugs, but i think that they would be much more fun at parties if they did. And on the other side, they few times I have played video games with my drug friends it went swimmingly.
Here is some free advice: Don't try to get your friends on drugs. If people feel they personally just have to do drugs hey fine whatever, but don't push that shit on people.
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Clint EastwoodMy baby's in there someplaceShe crawled right inRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Video games and various drugs can be okay, as long as we aren't talking about harder stuff or hallucinogens, which tend to make games unplayable, at least in my experience.
Playing games while you're drunk or baked can be great, though.
Exactly my point. And trust me, I do not condone pressuring someone into doing drugs. It should always come down to the individual to make decisions like that. And I understand that with combining the two groups, there would be the danger of people getting "peer-pressured" into taking substances that they dont want to.
But perhaps I should add, that for me, drug culture isn't just about doing drugs. Yes, they tend to be a focal point in activities, but other things are involved. Just as video games tend to be the focal point in gamer culture, but other things are there.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
o_O
Hell, there's an anime-style game that's a musical.
There is almost certainly a musical anime. I know there is a Phantom of the Opera anime out there.
The thing is that video games are almost impossible to be harmed by. Drugs can ruin your life just because someone picked up the phone. If you want to mix people, focus on gaming with stoners, not stoning gamers.
This sounds almost like it belonged in H/A under "Should I try to get my gamer friends high so they can chill out?"
The question of "can we mix the cultures" still sounds ridiculous. Why? What grand 'culture' merging... Where were the cultures are diametric odds with each other? Like... let's merge peanut butter with jelly? Crips with bloods? Republicans and Democrats? It just sounds so silly. "Mergine Cultures: Why can't we get republicans and democrats to get a long? I know a lot of my republican friends, and a lot of democrat friends, and I was wondering..." Like, are you trying to start a brand new fad where Microsoft includes a mini pipe with every Xbox? "Marijuana! It's the new Bawls!"
I'm not even touching the idea they're counter-cultures. But.. what would that have to do with it? And...
I'm trying to think what the real question is here, in this thread. "Could pot make gamers a better people?"
"Could games be fun on weed?"
"Ever seen a twenty dollar bill on weed?"
No matter what, it was worded in an unnecessarily bizarre, convoluted, silly manner.
I think there's a difference between the type of nerd who will get drunk or get high and the kind who is self righteous about not doing those things.
The difference? The 1st group is probably going to be better with the whole 'I'm not socially inept' thing.
Seriously, I went into the video games club of my college, and I was thinking, how in gods name am I better at this human interaction thing than you guys? You're 3 FUCKING years older than me! Then I mentioned the TF2 drinking game (every time you get hit by a novice rocket, take a drink), and they got PISSED as hell.
Alcolol and pot are, when you're using them correctly, social lubricants. They teach you what works and what doesn't work in a social situation really fucking quickly.
But that all is part of my point. People are different, and drugs aren't exactly the type of thing you can just make a motion to... "merge" with another people.
But, I suppose I've been simply questioning the OP. Debating the question rather than answering.
No, I don't think we should "merge" the "cultures." They're fine as they are. Individuals, as a whole, will choose to do drugs, or play games. Should they mix the two, it doesn't represent any sort of 'cultural oneness.' Nor do I think that merging should be any sort of imperative.
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That too, but I thought that I should seize the moral high ground while the getting was good.
Drugs have a very large culture surrounding them. You may not be a cultured person for being a stoner, but to say there isn't a stoner culture is...well, wrong.
I'm not really sure what the OP is saying though. as much as the two cultures merge at some places, they diverge a great deal in other areas. music and drug culture intertwine a lot, almost too much for me.
Then there is Jon Stewart in Half Baked...Ever look at the stars...on WEED!!
I like the idea of cultures mixing. I figure it works for societies throughout history. I especially like the way sports has embraced various disciples for better performance, be it psychology or science.
I like games and all, but "gamer culture" fills me with rage.
I actually don't agree with this partially. Gaming is becoming more mainstream and less counter culture, but the illegal nature of drug use tends to keep it's counter-culture status. Most anything that goes against the laws of a society and the culture that surrounds it is considered counter-culture.
well, yeah
i mean, bonghits and videogames work great together
Anyway, here is my story about gaming and drug cultures. This one time, I was at a brawl tournament. And this guy comes up to me and says "Hey man do you know where I can find some weed?" And I thought he said Wii because it was loud. And I was like "What?" And then he said it again and I laughed at my mistake and told him no. Then he went and asked some more people.
Good story, right? It totally transcends cultures.
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BlueBlue: There is already a five hour Sailor Moon musical. Also multiple comic book musicals.
Actually I don't think I've ever even heard of a musical episode of an anime. I mean, maybe some people will sing a song but nothing "Once More With Feeling" - type.
o_O
Hell, there's an anime-style game that's a musical.
There is almost certainly a musical anime. I know there is a Phantom of the Opera anime out there.
But, that was all just an example of an odd-couple pairing of cultures that I thought might be featured here, instead of games/drugs.
I'm talking German-Hawaiian fusion cuisine, here.
....
Actually I think I got my hopes up based off a misreading of the title. Like, this is merging "counter-culture" and I was thinking merging "very different cultures". Whoops.
But hey if you think of the name of that PotO anime, pm me or something because I am suddenly interested.
But illegal activity is not a social norm. The very definition of counter-culture is the the values and behavior of a group that run against the grain of the social mainstream. Most people are law abiding citizens, regardless of the millions that smoke weed or do whatever chemical is their particular vice. The majority of society do not pay women upfront with cash to have sex with them. Most people don't make a life of stealing and conning people.
You are right, so long as law has been around, there have been people breaking them. But those people are a definite minority who operates outside the social norm in accordance to their own values. This would make them a sub-culture or even a counter-culture.
Ahahahahahahahhaaha
I didn't realize.
Also, maybe we should get the movie culture, and the "people who cross the street" culture to get together, too. By which I mean I don't see these as really strong cultures. China has a culture. There's sort of an American culture. But gaming and drug culture? I guess you could say that because things like Electronics Gaming Monthly and High Times exist. But is there a furniture culture because of IKEA?
I don't know. My head is spinning. This all seems silly.
Nerima Daikon Bros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY6VtKJvC4c
Yeah, I'm sure your friends will love you for that.
Playing games while you're drunk or baked can be great, though.
But perhaps I should add, that for me, drug culture isn't just about doing drugs. Yes, they tend to be a focal point in activities, but other things are involved. Just as video games tend to be the focal point in gamer culture, but other things are there.
And then there's this
The question of "can we mix the cultures" still sounds ridiculous. Why? What grand 'culture' merging... Where were the cultures are diametric odds with each other? Like... let's merge peanut butter with jelly? Crips with bloods? Republicans and Democrats? It just sounds so silly. "Mergine Cultures: Why can't we get republicans and democrats to get a long? I know a lot of my republican friends, and a lot of democrat friends, and I was wondering..." Like, are you trying to start a brand new fad where Microsoft includes a mini pipe with every Xbox? "Marijuana! It's the new Bawls!"
I'm not even touching the idea they're counter-cultures. But.. what would that have to do with it? And...
uhhhhh
Dazed and confused...
You take that back.
I'm trying to think what the real question is here, in this thread. "Could pot make gamers a better people?"
"Could games be fun on weed?"
"Ever seen a twenty dollar bill on weed?"
No matter what, it was worded in an unnecessarily bizarre, convoluted, silly manner.
I think there's a difference between the type of nerd who will get drunk or get high and the kind who is self righteous about not doing those things.
The difference? The 1st group is probably going to be better with the whole 'I'm not socially inept' thing.
Seriously, I went into the video games club of my college, and I was thinking, how in gods name am I better at this human interaction thing than you guys? You're 3 FUCKING years older than me! Then I mentioned the TF2 drinking game (every time you get hit by a novice rocket, take a drink), and they got PISSED as hell.
Alcolol and pot are, when you're using them correctly, social lubricants. They teach you what works and what doesn't work in a social situation really fucking quickly.
But, I suppose I've been simply questioning the OP. Debating the question rather than answering.
No, I don't think we should "merge" the "cultures." They're fine as they are. Individuals, as a whole, will choose to do drugs, or play games. Should they mix the two, it doesn't represent any sort of 'cultural oneness.' Nor do I think that merging should be any sort of imperative.