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AegisAegis Fear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
edited November 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
No really, it's an awesome book.

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We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    Hate and stabbings.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Hate and stabbings.

    It's the robe. You're jealous of the robe aren't you?

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    We'll see how long this blog lasts
    Currently DMing: None :(
    Characters
    [5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    I kept thinking it had something to do with a certain lesbian photographer.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It was a very nice book, really.

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    Take a moment to donate what you can to Critical Resistance and Black Lives Matter.
  • ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Horse archers are pretty much great in everything, ever.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I can't ride a horse or shoot a bow and arrow but I'm pretty sure if I do them both at the same time I'll succeed.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It's amazing how a videogame can inspire me to start taking working out seriously again.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

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  • ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Horse archers are pretty much great in everything, ever.

    Everyone uses swordsmen for attacking cities, though, because they get a +10% bonus when attacking cities. 6 + withdrawal ability > 6 + 10%, but nobody ever actually thinks about it. They just see "attacking city bonus" and think "Oh! This unit must be for attacking cities! I think I'll use it for attacking cities!"

    And then most people that do think about it don't get any farther than "No defensive bonuses." Dummies.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

    Trebs with city raider 2 tend to be reasonably survivable.

    Alternately, Praetorians destroy everything, I got Augustus randomly in my current game and am merrily running roughshod over everybody (40 Praetorians = death).

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    The Cat on
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Horse archers are pretty much great in everything, ever.

    Everyone uses swordsmen for attacking cities, though, because they get a +10% bonus when attacking cities. 6 + withdrawal ability > 5 + 10%, but nobody ever actually thinks about it. They just see "attacking city bonus" and think "Oh! This unit must be for attacking cities! I think I'll use it for attacking cities!"

    And then most people that do think about it don't get any farther than "No defensive bonuses." Dummies.

    Swords are 6 strength so it's a close deal. AIs like axes less than spears though.

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  • ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

    Macemen are definitely okay. By that time Archers are replaced with Longbowmen. Horse Archers are considerably less effective against Longbowmen; I was talking about before Feudalism. Macemen are definitely the way to go after Feudalism, unless you can rush to Guilds and start training Knights.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    since you guys are still talking about civ I'm gonna play WoW. on Icecrown.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Haha wow I almost fell over walking back to my computer.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

    Macemen are definitely okay. By that time Archers are replaced with Longbowmen. Horse Archers are considerably less effective against Longbowmen; I was talking about before Feudalism. Macemen are definitely the way to go after Feudalism, unless you can rush to Guilds and start training Knights.

    Knights are freakin' useless if there's pikemen around, but they're good for punking up improvements.

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    Still can't listen to that without cringing because I know the guy that did the name his kid "spiderpig" facebook thing.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    Awesome.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Variable wrote: »
    since you guys are still talking about civ I'm gonna play WoW. on Icecrown.
    I got bored after I got kicked out of the guild

    it's annoying, because I wouldn't have leveled a Rogue to 70 there if I didn't have the guild to be with, since I had a 70 Rogue elsewhere already, geared with stuff from a month of raiding and other bonuses

    no real reason to stay on Icecrown if I'm just going to guild with randoms; I can do that with the better-geared Rogue :/

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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).

    I liked gal civ II. Is it sufficiently better to make up for the fact that it isn't in space?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

    Macemen are definitely okay. By that time Archers are replaced with Longbowmen. Horse Archers are considerably less effective against Longbowmen; I was talking about before Feudalism. Macemen are definitely the way to go after Feudalism, unless you can rush to Guilds and start training Knights.

    Knights are freakin' useless if there's pikemen around, but they're good for punking up improvements.

    I like knights on defense for the Warlords/BtS flanking thing. On offense I'd rather have macemen though.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    Still can't listen to that without cringing because I know the guy that did the name his kid "spiderpig" facebook thing.

    Who in the what where?

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  • ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Horse archers are pretty much great in everything, ever.

    Everyone uses swordsmen for attacking cities, though, because they get a +10% bonus when attacking cities. 6 + withdrawal ability > 6 + 10%, but nobody ever actually thinks about it. They just see "attacking city bonus" and think "Oh! This unit must be for attacking cities! I think I'll use it for attacking cities!"

    And then most people that do think about it don't get any farther than "No defensive bonuses." Dummies.

    Swords are 6 strength so it's a close deal.

    Yeah that was a typo, but it's not. Horse Archers are better at attacking in every way than Swordsmen unless there's nothing defending except Spearmen. When the Swordsmen attacks, he dies and you send the next Swordmen to its death, until every defending unit is weakened enough to start knocking them down.

    With Horse Archers, you attack, you withdraw. You attack, you withdraw. You attack, you withdraw. Minimal casualties.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).

    I liked gal civ II. Is it sufficiently better to make up for the fact that it isn't in space?

    It's way better than Gal Civ one, but I haven't played Gal Civ 2.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).
    The one thing I dislike about Civ is that its learning curve gets unfairly distorted because it takes so long for the ramifications of your choices to play out, and by that time, you don't even know exactly what choices in the intervening 8 hours were the weaker ones

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  • ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Macemen are pretty okay.

    and yeah, there's still defensive bonuses, but I find them a bit easier to smash through once you get artillery, and the artillery and higher units are more likely to survive attacking another unit directly, so the resupply issue isn't such a big deal. Catapults and trebs are cannon fodder when you use them that way.

    Macemen are definitely okay. By that time Archers are replaced with Longbowmen. Horse Archers are considerably less effective against Longbowmen; I was talking about before Feudalism. Macemen are definitely the way to go after Feudalism, unless you can rush to Guilds and start training Knights.

    Knights are freakin' useless if there's pikemen around, but they're good for punking up improvements.

    Which is why I said rush. :P

    Res on
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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    I also don't know what exactly Withdraw chance is (how much of a chance, what does withdraw really mean), nor First Strike chance (how much of a chance, isn't this essentially just withdraw worded differently)

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Res wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Res wrote: »
    Remember, boys and girls. Swordsmans = bad. Horse Archers is where it's at.

    Horse archers are pretty much great in everything, ever.

    Everyone uses swordsmen for attacking cities, though, because they get a +10% bonus when attacking cities. 6 + withdrawal ability > 6 + 10%, but nobody ever actually thinks about it. They just see "attacking city bonus" and think "Oh! This unit must be for attacking cities! I think I'll use it for attacking cities!"

    And then most people that do think about it don't get any farther than "No defensive bonuses." Dummies.

    Swords are 6 strength so it's a close deal.

    Yeah that was a typo, but it's not. Horse Archers are better at attacking in every way than Swordsmen unless there's nothing defending except Spearmen. When the Swordsmen attacks, he dies and you send the next Swordmen to its death, until every defending unit is weakened enough to start knocking them down.

    With Horse Archers, you attack, you withdraw. You attack, you withdraw. You attack, you withdraw. Minimal casualties.

    Different promotions available though. Swordsmen is really 6 + 10% + city raider I and hopefully II. Which is a 9.3 for city attacks. Horse archer with comparable experience is either a 6 with a 20% bonus to withdrawal or a 7.2.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Oboro wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).
    The one thing I dislike about Civ is that its learning curve gets unfairly distorted because it takes so long for the ramifications of your choices to play out, and by that time, you don't even know exactly what choices in the intervening 8 hours were the weaker ones

    This is definitely true. I've still only got the early expansion moves for most civs properly tuned, and there's something I'm doing wrong that often gets everyone attacking me at once in the late middle ages, which is irksome.

    The Cat on
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  • evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    Still can't listen to that without cringing because I know the guy that did the name his kid "spiderpig" facebook thing.

    Who in the what where?

    Stupid friend started a facebook group saying he'd name his child spiderpig if it got 1,000,000 members. Riding the wave of hype for the movie it got kinda big. He made it onto the BBC website and various other news outlets.

    evilbob on
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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    evilbob wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    cat how's your james bond daniel craigophone treating ya :P

    shutupshutupshutup :P

    the ringtone is now Spider-Pig, and its damn well staying that way!

    Still can't listen to that without cringing because I know the guy that did the name his kid "spiderpig" facebook thing.

    Who in the what where?

    Stupid friend started a facebook group saying he'd name his child spiderpig if it got 1,000,000 members. Riding the wave of hype for the movie it got kinda big. He made it onto the BBC website and various other news outlets.

    oh dear

    Did he actually do it? If so, that's worse than that choad who named his kid after Sarah Palin and held a media conference about it while wifey was still wacked out on painkillers, and then joked about putting one over on her D:

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Like, I'm probably choosing the wrong moment to build my first Settler

    and that alone is going to cost me games, but I'd never guess to attribute it to something this seemingly minor until I'd tried changing 100 things, and got to the bottom of the list and this was there

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).
    The one thing I dislike about Civ is that its learning curve gets unfairly distorted because it takes so long for the ramifications of your choices to play out, and by that time, you don't even know exactly what choices in the intervening 8 hours were the weaker ones

    This is definitely true. I've still only got the early expansion moves for most civs properly tuned, and there's something I'm doing wrong that often gets everyone attacking me at once in the late middle ages, which is irksome.

    Odds are high you're being too much of a builder and not enough of a warmonger. The AI preys on weakness military wise. So unless you're a master diplomat who gives everyone everything they want, you need a big force to deter the AIs. I have this problem a lot.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2008
    That soup was marvelous.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Oboro wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    I have never played a civ game. Should I?

    If you've ever liked a turn based strategy game or really good board game (Puerto Rico, for example).
    The one thing I dislike about Civ is that its learning curve gets unfairly distorted because it takes so long for the ramifications of your choices to play out, and by that time, you don't even know exactly what choices in the intervening 8 hours were the weaker ones

    This is definitely true. I've still only got the early expansion moves for most civs properly tuned, and there's something I'm doing wrong that often gets everyone attacking me at once in the late middle ages, which is irksome.

    Odds are high you're being too much of a builder and not enough of a warmonger. The AI preys on weakness military wise. So unless you're a master diplomat who gives everyone everything they want, you need a big force to deter the AIs. I have this problem a lot.

    I do like a good landgrab, its true. Plantin' my flag all over the place.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Man, I need a pull up bar.

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