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ROUND THREE: FIGHT A: RESULTS

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2006
    If Magneto advances over Superman I am going to kill all of you.

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  • SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    So explain how the two DC entries are going to get past his defenses... don't forget, he can keep his electromagnetic shield up for quite sometime before he gets tired, and he has kept multiple Avengers and X-Men out of it on multiple occasions, and Galactus too if I remember correctly.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    So explain how the two DC entries are going to get past his defenses... don't forget, he can keep his electromagnetic shield up for quite sometime before he gets tired, and he has kept multiple Avengers and X-Men out of it on multiple occasions, and Galactus too if I remember correctly.
    In the time it takes him to put a shield up, either of the DC contestants can fly up and knock him out. Or they can wait for him to get tired, since he can't really hurt them. Or they can grab the Vorpal Sword and cut through it, since we saw the sword cut through a force field in the last recap.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Magneto holding out against Galactus is like Spidey beating Firelord.


    We can't use it as a standard.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    So explain how the two DC entries are going to get past his defenses... don't forget, he can keep his electromagnetic shield up for quite sometime before he gets tired, and he has kept multiple Avengers and X-Men out of it on multiple occasions, and Galactus too if I remember correctly.

    Superman and Captain Marvel punch harder than Cyclops's eye-beams, and Magneto really shouldn't be able to hold off the likes of Thor with his force-field.

    Supes and Marvel really can easily punch hard enough to smash through Mags's field. They both can punch guys through the earth.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2006
    You know it doesn't matter what you say, the pro-Magneto camp is looking for an excuse to knock off Superman.

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  • Cosmic SombreroCosmic Sombrero Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Man, I'm curious as to what Magneto could do with the Vorpal Sword. Couldn't he disassemble it into a bunch of tiny balls and then project them at Superman? Like, a hail of bullets that would actually hurt him.

    But yeah, Superman wins.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Not even pro-Magneto, from the looks of a lot of the posts. People just don't want Superman to move on, and Magneto is the only chance they have to make that happen. Who went into a superhero contest thinking a guy who is essentially the ultimate superhero wouldn't be at least in the final round, anyway?

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Man, I'm curious as to what Magneto could do with the Vorpal Sword. Couldn't he disassemble it into a bunch of tiny balls and then project them at Superman? Like, a hail of bullets that would actually hurt him.

    We covered this earlier in either this or the announcement thread. The sword is indestructible. Magneto cannot break it apart, cannot alter its shape or anything like that.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    You know it doesn't matter what you say, the pro-Magneto camp is looking for an excuse to knock off Superman.

    With the new rule allowing for Mags to talk to X before the fight, he's going to know about the weakness.

    And I'm trusting that the bubble which can take hits from a cosmic entity will protect him long enough to kryptonite rape supes.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    You know it doesn't matter what you say, the pro-Magneto camp is looking for an excuse to knock off Superman.

    With the new rule allowing for Mags to talk to X before the fight, he's going to know about the weakness.

    And I'm trusting that the bubble which can take hits from a cosmic entity will protect him long enough to kryptonite rape supes.
    How will talking to Professor X help? He has no more access to people who know about the Kryptonite weakness than Magneto, since his telepathy doesn't stretch into the DC Universe.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Prof. X is also dead in AoA land.

    On the bright side, Bigby can talk to Frau Totenkinder.

    Oh man, what if he got to bring a d'jinn? A d'jinn would kick Superman's ass, at least.

    Yeah, forget the Vorpal Blade. Bigby brings a d'jinn.

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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So if we don't allow "insta win" powers/items why is "Marvel and Supes can move at the speed of light" being thrown out as reasons for their advancement?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    Geebs wrote:
    You know it doesn't matter what you say, the pro-Magneto camp is looking for an excuse to knock off Superman.

    With the new rule allowing for Mags to talk to X before the fight, he's going to know about the weakness.

    And I'm trusting that the bubble which can take hits from a cosmic entity will protect him long enough to kryptonite rape supes.
    How will talking to Professor X help? He has no more access to people who know about the Kryptonite weakness than Magneto, since his telepathy doesn't stretch into the DC Universe.

    Yeah, and where in the hell would Magneto even get Kryptonite?

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So if we don't allow "insta win" powers/items why is "Marvel and Supes can move at the speed of light" being thrown out as reasons for their advancement?
    We don't allow "eliminate everyone else at once" powers/items. If superman wants to eliminate every other opponent one at a time at superspeed, that's okay.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So if we don't allow "insta win" powers/items why is "Marvel and Supes can move at the speed of light" being thrown out as reasons for their advancement?

    While I agree that the moving at super speeds the instant the fight starts is lame for anyone other than the Flash. I believe the insta kill rule was instituted for those with the power to instantly kill everyone else in the fight. Like a telepath turning off the brains of the other fighters.

    Edit: Damn these slow fingers.

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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    At the speed of light (or anything close to it) he could take out pretty much everyone but Marvel in the first second or two. Just because it's "one at a time" makes it less cheap?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    The thing is, he doesn't even have to do that to take out Bigby or Magneto.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    At the speed of light (or anything close to it) he could take out pretty much everyone but Marvel in the first second or two. Just because it's "one at a time" makes it less cheap?
    According to Son of Beyonder.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    At the speed of light (or anything close to it) he could take out pretty much everyone but Marvel in the first second or two. Just because it's "one at a time" makes it less cheap?
    According to Son of Beyonder.
    And it wouldn't matter, because that tactic wouldn't work against the entire group anyways. Neither Supes or Captain Marvel are taking out the other like that.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    No it's not, it's simply looking at the fight from the viewpoint that Supes and Marvel go after one another from the start. They are no doubt the biggest threat to one another because neither Bigby and Magneto have the brute force or range of abilities on their side that those two do.

    I personally will not go with the idea that anyone in any of these later rounds will team up. It's far too late in the game, if you can't win on your own you do not deserve to win at all.

    This is not a case of fanboyism, it's a case of simply having a different opinion on the start of the fight.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Bigby borrows the genie from Frau Totenkinder, has it go after Superman first and Captain Marvel second? Marvel's able to defend himself against it, and then either Magneto and Bigby triple team him or Magneto and Bigby fight?

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    No it's not, it's simply looking at the fight from the viewpoint that Supes and Marvel go after one another from the start. They are no doubt the biggest threat to one another because neither Bigby and Magneto have the brute force or range of abilities on their side that those two do.

    I personally will not go with the idea that anyone in any of these later rounds will team up. It's far too late in the game, if you can't win on your own you do not deserve to win at all.

    This is not a case of fanboyism, it's a case of simply having a different opinion on the start of the fight.
    Why would you go against the strongest opponent first? This will just make you far weaker and much more likely to lose to a what would otherwise be a push over opponent. On top of the fact that it is strategically unsound, do not forget that THEY ARE FRIENDS. So sure, they might not team up and directly help each other, but they will want themselves to get the first two spots so that they have more time to just hang out with each other and place better in the tournament. It is simply silly to believe that they would go for each other right at the beginning.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    No it's not, it's simply looking at the fight from the viewpoint that Supes and Marvel go after one another from the start. They are no doubt the biggest threat to one another because neither Bigby and Magneto have the brute force or range of abilities on their side that those two do.

    I personally will not go with the idea that anyone in any of these later rounds will team up. It's far too late in the game, if you can't win on your own you do not deserve to win at all.

    This is not a case of fanboyism, it's a case of simply having a different opinion on the start of the fight.
    Why would you go against the strongest opponent first? This will just make you far weaker and much more likely to lose to a what would otherwise be a push over opponent. On top of the fact that it is strategically unsound, do not forget that THEY ARE FRIENDS. So sure, they might not team up and directly help each other, but they will want themselves to get the first two spots so that they have more time to just hang out with each other and place better in the tournament. It is simply silly to believe that they would go for each other right at the beginning.

    It's smarter for them to go after the one that is a direct threat so that they would not have to worry about them attacking them while they are preoccupied with one of the other fighters.

    Superman could be busy pounding away on Magneto's force field and Marvel could take the opportunity and quickly fly over and suckerpunch Supes when he is not ready. Going toe to toe with one another is perfectly logical since one is really the only fighter the other needs to worry about in this match. Not that Bigby and Mags are not able fighters, but they are not as much of a threat.

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  • GuekGuek Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Seriously guys, why all the Magneto hate?
    It's not Magneto hate, it's realism.

    i can't stop laughing at this.




    anywho, how powerful is magneto, REALLY? I know the character fairly well but his powers seem pretty inconsistent. Like, is he powerful enough to rip the planet out of orbit? If he can create gravity fields couldn't he just make someone as heavy as a planet? If he made a force field and superman tried to throw the bubble, wouldn't it be like trying to throw an entire planet? Can the man throw cities at people?


    If he falls short of any of those there's no possible way he can win. But if he's as strong as I think he is, the best they could do is tire him out, which is actually pretty likely.

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  • FierceDeity666FierceDeity666 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    the only way mags can really win is the "hail of shit" method.

    brings in a big sack of kryptonite, steals the vorpal sword, and rips EVERY BIT OF METAL IN THE AREA OUT AND TURNS IT INTO A HURRICANE OF SLICEY SHIT.

    throw the super item shit in, and hope that they can't see everywhere at once.

    This, however, is extraordinarily unlikely. but if he DID pull it off, it would not only be hilariously effective, but be more or less the coolest move ever.

    a trophy would fall out of the sky. and promptly join the hurricane.

    still, supes and marvel have this in the bag, realistically.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Guys! Bigby brings the genie! Superman loses!

    Remember!

    Vote Bigby!

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  • Son of BeyonderSon of Beyonder From Beyond BeyondRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    BIGBY CAN'T BRING A GENIE

    DON'T BE RIDICULOUS

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    A lamp with a genie inside is an item, ain't it? And he'd get it from Frau Totenkinder, who he is allowed to take on as his adviser.

    It's not like it's an instant win either since it's not one of those genies that makes things magically happen in an instant.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Son of Beyonder has spoken. I do not think you will sway him.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Bummer!

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    If Bigby wins this I will flip out and karate chop a dude.

    I like Fables too guys but don't be fucking ridiculous.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Furu wrote:
    If Bigby wins this I will flip out and karate chop a dude.

    I like Fables too guys but don't be fucking ridiculous.
    Ridiculous like A BOY WHO TURNS INTO HIS DEAD DAD WITH SUPER-POWERS?

    Ridiculous would be me saying that Bigby can scare Marvel into turning back into Billy by saying, "You see that penis of yours, Marvel? That's your dad's penis. You're wearing your dad's penis."

    Even though I think we're all pretty aware of the fact that that would work. No way a 13 year old kid would feel comfortable wearing his dad's body, if forced to think about what that means.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    Furu wrote:
    If Bigby wins this I will flip out and karate chop a dude.

    I like Fables too guys but don't be fucking ridiculous.
    Ridiculous like A BOY WHO TURNS INTO HIS DEAD DAD WITH SUPER-POWERS?

    Ridiculous would be me saying that Bigby can scare Marvel into turning back into Billy by saying, "You see that penis of yours, Marvel? That's your dad's penis. You're wearing your dad's penis."
    Kingdom Come seemed to indicate that he turns into himself as an adult, but with superpowers. Also, if he'd gotten a genie, I totally would have given him a pass to the next round. That was a good idea.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    Furu wrote:
    If Bigby wins this I will flip out and karate chop a dude.

    I like Fables too guys but don't be fucking ridiculous.
    Ridiculous like A BOY WHO TURNS INTO HIS DEAD DAD WITH SUPER-POWERS?

    Ridiculous would be me saying that Bigby can scare Marvel into turning back into Billy by saying, "You see that penis of yours, Marvel? That's your dad's penis. You're wearing your dad's penis."
    Kingdom Come seemed to indicate that he turns into himself as an adult, but with superpowers. Also, if he'd gotten a genie, I totally would have given him a pass to the next round. That was a good idea.
    Wiki says that modern Captain Marvel's body is actually a replica of Billy's dad's.

    Billy growing up to look like Marvel could just be attributed to the fact that some people do end up looking like their dads, I guess.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Uh, aren't genies basically the definition of deus ex machina?

    And do we have any idea if they even have magic lamps on hand in Fabletown? Now, I haven't read Arabian Nights and Days, and that seems like a logical place for them, but I dunno.

    I still think the Vorpal blade is Bigby's best shot at moving on, but I don't think it's enough for the Superman of magic and a guy who has already seen it in action and can pretty much choose to stay away from it at will.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    Uh, aren't genies basically the definition of deus ex machina?

    And do we have any idea if they even have magic lamps on hand in Fabletown? Now, I haven't read Arabian Nights and Days, and that seems like a logical place for them, but I dunno.

    I still think the Vorpal blade is Bigby's best shot at moving on, but I don't think it's enough for the Superman of magic and a guy who has already seen it in action and can pretty much choose to stay away from it at will.

    Yeah, they get a genie in a lamp at the end of the Arabian Nights and Days arc.

    And I've have thought it wouldn't constitute an instant win since, as Spectre-X would probably argue, Captain Marvel would be capable of fighting a genie because, you know, his only weakness is the insecurity inherent in all teenagers.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    Uh, aren't genies basically the definition of deus ex machina?

    And do we have any idea if they even have magic lamps on hand in Fabletown? Now, I haven't read Arabian Nights and Days, and that seems like a logical place for them, but I dunno.

    I still think the Vorpal blade is Bigby's best shot at moving on, but I don't think it's enough for the Superman of magic and a guy who has already seen it in action and can pretty much choose to stay away from it at will.
    It comes up in Arabian Nights and Days, and is not Deus Ex Machina-y there, I don't think, but we didn't see much of how they work in the Fables universe, so I can understand Son of Beyonder not allowing it.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    It's still awfully likely, though, that Frau would give Bigby something to take out at least Superman. I mean that's what advisors are for, right?

    Otherwise, what's the point of even having that extra element?

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