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In her vetting process for Sec State Bill would have to disclose his financial records, particularly in regard to other countries. Wasn't there some sort of ... irregularity in his finances? I'll look it up.
Clinton at State isn't a bad idea, as long as she works in concert with Obama, and not in opposition. The big plus she brings (and it is a BIG plus) is that she has good rapport with the leaders of most major nations, meaning that she can hit the ground running.
I would say the key postings are going to be (other than State) SecDef and AG. SecDef mainly because of the need to have a strong leader to get the things Obama wants through the military, and AG because - let's face it - the DOJ is an absolute wreck.
Pros: It gets Clinton out of the senate where she could possibly cause trouble. Gets her out of domestic policy altogether.
Cons: Clinton as SecState.
I'm not a fan of the choice, but I don't see an alternative that I'm a huge fan of, either. As long as Bill stays away and she doesn't go behind Obama's back, she wouldn't be a terrible choice.
The big plus she brings (and it is a BIG plus) is that she has good rapport with the leaders of most major nations, meaning that she can hit the ground running.
I'm not sure I agree. It seems to me some of the worst screw-ups in the U.S.'s recent dealings with the rest of the world have stemmed from putting too much weight on personal relationships with foreign leaders. For example, the United States under the last administration didn't so much have an alliance with Pakistan as it had an alliance with Pervez Musharraf, and I'm convinced that Bill Clinton's public chumminess with Yeltsin right up until the end did lasting damage to U.S.-Russian relations.
Senate Armed Services Committee, plus whatever she did as First Lady to get connections with the right people.
It would be pretty shrewd since she can't complain about anything the administration does if she's part of the administration. I wonder what Biden has to say about it. ...when they can say anything about it other than 'no comment.'
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
What do you mean by that?
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edited November 2008
Wouldnt' she be better off in something like HHS?
I mean, that would help her with the whole Healthcare thing that she seems to be so big on.
I dont know about this. I honestly am pining for Bill Richardson for SecState.
And if he doesnt get it, that would make it the first thing I've gotten wrong during this election cycle.
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
What do you mean by that?
One of the big issues throughout the primaries and the general was the whole "meet without preconditions" thing. Now obviously Obama's position was distorted by his opposition, but the fact remains that he and Clinton have different foreign policy outlooks.
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edited November 2008
I thought he'd offer her HHS with the understanding that her role would expand to include oversight and regulation of health insurance providers, though on his terms, not hers. I figured if there was anything that would coax her out of the senate it would be that. But then again I guess Kennedy and Dodd are pissed at her trying to dominate the issue, so maybe it would have been politically unwise to give her special clout in that regard.
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Pros: It gets Clinton out of the senate where she could possibly cause trouble. Gets her out of domestic policy altogether.
Cons: Clinton as SecState.
I'm not a fan of the choice, but I don't see an alternative that I'm a huge fan of, either. As long as Bill stays away and she doesn't go behind Obama's back, she wouldn't be a terrible choice.
Actually her out of domestic policy is not really a pro and she wouldn't be a terrible Sec State, but I don't get why she'd want this. Her issue of passion is health care. This takes her away from that when there's the best chance to get some reform passed and she'd like to have input on it. I'm very confused.
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Pros: It gets Clinton out of the senate where she could possibly cause trouble. Gets her out of domestic policy altogether.
Cons: Clinton as SecState.
I'm not a fan of the choice, but I don't see an alternative that I'm a huge fan of, either. As long as Bill stays away and she doesn't go behind Obama's back, she wouldn't be a terrible choice.
Actually her out of domestic policy is not really a pro and she wouldn't be a terrible Sec State, but I don't get why she'd want this. Her issue of passion is health care. This takes her away from that when there's the best chance to get some reform passed and she'd like to have input on it. I'm very confused.
Olbermann mentioned that if she remained in the senate she might not have much say in health care legislation due to seniority issues. Perhaps this plays a role.
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
What do you mean by that?
One of the big issues throughout the primaries and the general was the whole "meet without preconditions" thing. Now obviously Obama's position was distorted by his opposition, but the fact remains that he and Clinton have different foreign policy outlooks.
I think it was more that she was afraid of being boxed into a corner as 'weak on defense' since she obviously wants to have tea and crumpets with Ahmadinejead while discussing our surrender of Israel. Besides which, that's not really a major foreign policy outlook it's just different tactics to achieve the same strategic ends. She strikes me as a realist rather than hewing dearly to various theories.
Pros: It gets Clinton out of the senate where she could possibly cause trouble. Gets her out of domestic policy altogether.
Cons: Clinton as SecState.
I'm not a fan of the choice, but I don't see an alternative that I'm a huge fan of, either. As long as Bill stays away and she doesn't go behind Obama's back, she wouldn't be a terrible choice.
Actually her out of domestic policy is not really a pro and she wouldn't be a terrible Sec State, but I don't get why she'd want this. Her issue of passion is health care. This takes her away from that when there's the best chance to get some reform passed and she'd like to have input on it. I'm very confused.
It's all media buzz, at the moment and we won't know for sure before Thanksgiving. He might have offered her ambassador to Bosnia for all we really know.
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
What do you mean by that?
One of the big issues throughout the primaries and the general was the whole "meet without preconditions" thing. Now obviously Obama's position was distorted by his opposition, but the fact remains that he and Clinton have different foreign policy outlooks.
I think it was more that she was afraid of being boxed into a corner as 'weak on defense' since she obviously wants to have tea and crumpets with Ahmadinejead while discussing our surrender of Israel. Besides which, that's not really a major foreign policy outlook it's just different tactics to achieve the same strategic ends. She strikes me as a realist rather than hewing dearly to various theories.
I think she'd make a better Secretary of Defense than State actually. Everything I've read about her record on Armed Services is complimentary.
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ZimmydoomAccept no substitutesRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
He's not offering Defense to anybody for the foreseeable future. Gates isn't going anywhere until we're out of Iraq.
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I thought he'd offer her HHS with the understanding that her role would expand to include oversight and regulation of health insurance providers, though on his terms, not hers. I figured if there was anything that would coax her out of the senate it would be that. But then again I guess Kennedy and Dodd are pissed at her trying to dominate the issue, so maybe it would have been politically unwise to give her special clout in that regard.
I hope it's just rumor. Having Clinton as SecState would totally undermine the approach to diplomacy Obama has been advocating throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'd prefer Kerry.
What do you mean by that?
One of the big issues throughout the primaries and the general was the whole "meet without preconditions" thing. Now obviously Obama's position was distorted by his opposition, but the fact remains that he and Clinton have different foreign policy outlooks.
I think it was more that she was afraid of being boxed into a corner as 'weak on defense' since she obviously wants to have tea and crumpets with Ahmadinejead while discussing our surrender of Israel. Besides which, that's not really a major foreign policy outlook it's just different tactics to achieve the same strategic ends. She strikes me as a realist rather than hewing dearly to various theories.
I suppose you're right, but I do think Clinton is more hawkish than the situation warrents.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Andrew Sullivan seems to like this pick, and figures it's in line with Obama's philosophy and not really a departure.
Andrew Sullivan seems to like this pick, and figures it's in line with Obama's philosophy and not really a departure.
He hates the Clintons though and is irrational with them so his main reason is that he think she'll have less influence this way.
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Ugh, I thought we were done with Clinton drama. And boom here it is again, a full-scale assault of it. What happened to no-drama Obama?
I don't see the point of having Hillary as Sec-State. Obama is the one the world wants to deal with, he's the one who can actually get certain things done unlike anyone else in the world, what's the point of Clinton? I mean, really? Bosnia-gate again?
Wait, this is HuffPo. Reliable sources are telling a slightly different story... that Obama asked her if she was interested, not outright offered her the position. More "would you take it if I were offering it".
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Ugh, I thought we were done with Clinton drama. And boom here it is again, a full-scale assault of it. What happened to no-drama Obama?
I don't see the point of having Hillary as Sec-State. Obama is the one the world wants to deal with, he's the one who can actually get certain things done unlike anyone else in the world, what's the point of Clinton? I mean, really? Bosnia-gate again?
Obama is liked for being the most emphatically un-Bush like guy you could ever have as President. The Clinton's are loved because of 8 years of Bill Clinton. Even over here either Clinton is a major draw card, and we have nowhere near the kind of boner that Europe has for them.
This decision kind of seems like a winner for everyone as long as they can keep Bill on a lead. Hillary knows the territory, and I don't know how all this stuff works but wouldn't SecState be a reasonably decent position to take another crack at the Whitehouse from in 2012?
Ugh, I thought we were done with Clinton drama. And boom here it is again, a full-scale assault of it. What happened to no-drama Obama?
I don't see the point of having Hillary as Sec-State. Obama is the one the world wants to deal with, he's the one who can actually get certain things done unlike anyone else in the world, what's the point of Clinton? I mean, really? Bosnia-gate again?
Obama is liked for being the most emphatically un-Bush like guy you could ever have as President. The Clinton's are loved because of 8 years of Bill Clinton. Even over here either Clinton is a major draw card, and we have nowhere near the kind of boner that Europe has for them.
This decision kind of seems like a winner for everyone as long as they can keep Bill on a lead. Hillary knows the territory, and I don't know how all this stuff works but wouldn't SecState be a reasonably decent position to take another crack at the Whitehouse from in 2012?
Her (and Bill's) ambition is kind of the main problem. If they were both truly good soldiers who only had the nation's best interests at heart, it wouldn't be a problem, but the fact is they're both power-hungry drama queens and they're going to be undermining Obama whenever they think they can get away with it. Bill Clinton still hasn't gotten over his jealousy of Obama.
I honestly am pining for Bill Richardson for SecState.
And if he doesnt get it, that would make it the first thing I've gotten wrong during this election cycle.
Richardson governs like George W. Bush (complete with rampant cronyism and brazen attempts to co-opt all serious media scrutiny of him and his administration), and his "record" on diplomacy is overblown. Any serious investigation into him would produce a lot of unwanted skeletons for Obama, and frankly he would ruin the State Department and be run over by any competent head of state or foreign minister. I hope to God this does not happen. There are plenty of people here who ostensibly support any move of him to Washington, but I am certain that it is solely to further their own political ambitions. To quote his old buddy Don Imus, he can't suck enough.
I honestly am pining for Bill Richardson for SecState.
And if he doesnt get it, that would make it the first thing I've gotten wrong during this election cycle.
Richardson governs like George W. Bush (complete with rampant cronyism and brazen attempts to co-opt all serious media scrutiny of him and his administration), and his "record" on diplomacy is overblown. Any serious investigation into him would produce a lot of unwanted skeletons for Obama, and frankly he would ruin the State Department and be run over by any competent head of state or foreign minister. I hope to God this does not happen. There are plenty of people here who do, but I am certain that it is is solely to further their own political ambitions.
Richardson has a bunch of things on his resume, but you just don't get the sense that he achieved anything in particular, or is capable of doing so.
I honestly am pining for Bill Richardson for SecState.
And if he doesnt get it, that would make it the first thing I've gotten wrong during this election cycle.
Richardson governs like George W. Bush (complete with rampant cronyism and brazen attempts to co-opt all serious media scrutiny of him and his administration), and his "record" on diplomacy is overblown. Any serious investigation into him would produce a lot of unwanted skeletons for Obama, and frankly he would ruin the State Department and be run over by any competent head of state or foreign minister. I hope to God this does not happen. There are plenty of people here who do, but I am certain that it is is solely to further their own political ambitions.
Richardson has a bunch of things on his resume, but you just don't get the sense that he achieved anything in particular, or is capable of doing so.
Or has any hard and fast beliefs.
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I'm still waiting for some change to show up. I appreciate that you need veterans to get things done, but I'll be pretty sad if Obama contents himself on being the only newish person in Washington and everyone else is the same old same old. I guess there's a long time to go yet though, so yeah, I hope he does eventually bring in some fresh, smart people at high positions.
That's because Richardson hasn't accomplished anything. The most significant accomplishment he can point to in his administration so far is a tax cut that is mostly due to his predecessor's leaving a nice surplus and the spike in oil and gas prices. But this douche also proposed a massive highway project, and then gave the money away instead of paying for it, so last year all of the sudden they needed half a billion dollars... which was the same amount as they "gave back" as a "surplus."
And we have a generous incentive package for the movie and film industry that is actually taking jobs from Hollywood, but so do a lot of other states and other countries. Meanwhile, a company the state gave $20 million to as some sort of great white hope just announced yesterday that they couldn't pay payroll for their employees for the last two weeks of work they did (and they "found" money today, but still) and the company will not last past New Year's.
Meanwhile, he made an investigative reporter his first Secretary of Labor and the guy was abysmal. It was a joke and a disgrace. And he's hired numerous other reporters simply to get them off his ass.
Let me be clear, I don't like the man. Not as a politician or a person. And as much as I'd love to see him go, it's not like this.
I'm still waiting for some change to show up. I appreciate that you need veterans to get things done, but I'll be pretty sad if Obama contents himself on being the only newish person in Washington and everyone else is the same old same old. I guess there's a long time to go yet though, so yeah, I hope he does eventually bring in some fresh, smart people at high positions.
Who should he staff his White House with? There's been one Democratic Administration in 28 years, two in 40. Should he staff his government with neophytes who have no idea how to do anything? That's what killed Clinton's first few years. It looks like he's being pragmatic.
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She met with heads of state in the 90's as first lady.
She also ducked sniper fire in Bosnia. Don't forget that!
I would say the key postings are going to be (other than State) SecDef and AG. SecDef mainly because of the need to have a strong leader to get the things Obama wants through the military, and AG because - let's face it - the DOJ is an absolute wreck.
Cons: Clinton as SecState.
I'm not a fan of the choice, but I don't see an alternative that I'm a huge fan of, either. As long as Bill stays away and she doesn't go behind Obama's back, she wouldn't be a terrible choice.
I'm not sure I agree. It seems to me some of the worst screw-ups in the U.S.'s recent dealings with the rest of the world have stemmed from putting too much weight on personal relationships with foreign leaders. For example, the United States under the last administration didn't so much have an alliance with Pakistan as it had an alliance with Pervez Musharraf, and I'm convinced that Bill Clinton's public chumminess with Yeltsin right up until the end did lasting damage to U.S.-Russian relations.
Senate Armed Services Committee, plus whatever she did as First Lady to get connections with the right people.
It would be pretty shrewd since she can't complain about anything the administration does if she's part of the administration. I wonder what Biden has to say about it. ...when they can say anything about it other than 'no comment.'
What do you mean by that?
I mean, that would help her with the whole Healthcare thing that she seems to be so big on.
I dont know about this. I honestly am pining for Bill Richardson for SecState.
And if he doesnt get it, that would make it the first thing I've gotten wrong during this election cycle.
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One of the big issues throughout the primaries and the general was the whole "meet without preconditions" thing. Now obviously Obama's position was distorted by his opposition, but the fact remains that he and Clinton have different foreign policy outlooks.
Actually her out of domestic policy is not really a pro and she wouldn't be a terrible Sec State, but I don't get why she'd want this. Her issue of passion is health care. This takes her away from that when there's the best chance to get some reform passed and she'd like to have input on it. I'm very confused.
Olbermann mentioned that if she remained in the senate she might not have much say in health care legislation due to seniority issues. Perhaps this plays a role.
I think it was more that she was afraid of being boxed into a corner as 'weak on defense' since she obviously wants to have tea and crumpets with Ahmadinejead while discussing our surrender of Israel. Besides which, that's not really a major foreign policy outlook it's just different tactics to achieve the same strategic ends. She strikes me as a realist rather than hewing dearly to various theories.
It's all media buzz, at the moment and we won't know for sure before Thanksgiving. He might have offered her ambassador to Bosnia for all we really know.
I think she'd make a better Secretary of Defense than State actually. Everything I've read about her record on Armed Services is complimentary.
Doesn't Dean want HHS?
I suppose you're right, but I do think Clinton is more hawkish than the situation warrents.
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He hates the Clintons though and is irrational with them so his main reason is that he think she'll have less influence this way.
I don't see the point of having Hillary as Sec-State. Obama is the one the world wants to deal with, he's the one who can actually get certain things done unlike anyone else in the world, what's the point of Clinton? I mean, really? Bosnia-gate again?
Unless she didn't want us to think it was premeditated. Wheels within wheels, man.
Obama is liked for being the most emphatically un-Bush like guy you could ever have as President. The Clinton's are loved because of 8 years of Bill Clinton. Even over here either Clinton is a major draw card, and we have nowhere near the kind of boner that Europe has for them.
This decision kind of seems like a winner for everyone as long as they can keep Bill on a lead. Hillary knows the territory, and I don't know how all this stuff works but wouldn't SecState be a reasonably decent position to take another crack at the Whitehouse from in 2012?
Hillary's shot at the White House has narrowed considerably. She'll be nearly McCain age by the time she gets a chance to run again.
Richardson governs like George W. Bush (complete with rampant cronyism and brazen attempts to co-opt all serious media scrutiny of him and his administration), and his "record" on diplomacy is overblown. Any serious investigation into him would produce a lot of unwanted skeletons for Obama, and frankly he would ruin the State Department and be run over by any competent head of state or foreign minister. I hope to God this does not happen. There are plenty of people here who ostensibly support any move of him to Washington, but I am certain that it is solely to further their own political ambitions. To quote his old buddy Don Imus, he can't suck enough.
Or has any hard and fast beliefs.
And we have a generous incentive package for the movie and film industry that is actually taking jobs from Hollywood, but so do a lot of other states and other countries. Meanwhile, a company the state gave $20 million to as some sort of great white hope just announced yesterday that they couldn't pay payroll for their employees for the last two weeks of work they did (and they "found" money today, but still) and the company will not last past New Year's.
Meanwhile, he made an investigative reporter his first Secretary of Labor and the guy was abysmal. It was a joke and a disgrace. And he's hired numerous other reporters simply to get them off his ass.
Let me be clear, I don't like the man. Not as a politician or a person. And as much as I'd love to see him go, it's not like this.
Who should he staff his White House with? There's been one Democratic Administration in 28 years, two in 40. Should he staff his government with neophytes who have no idea how to do anything? That's what killed Clinton's first few years. It looks like he's being pragmatic.