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I just don't see a logical reason for it. If you need a disc or every race and campaign, sell the game with all three discs. I am not at all convinced there's something they can do here that they couldn't by selling it as one complete package.
Oh, they will, six months after they have released all three separately. They will call it the Starcraft 2 Power Box or something and lots of people who bought them separately will be very cross, and then they will inexplicably buy it anyway.
Just reiterating this, because this is exactly what's going to happen.
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
Yeah, because waiting a couple months after a game's release to buy it is just not an option.
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If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
Is it really any secret that Blizzard would eventually make an expansion though?
I mean ever since Warcraft II they've pumped out at least one for every game they make.
It doesn't appear to be an expansion as much as of them hacking the game into 3 different titles. Maybe they want more time to finish the other 2 campaigns and want people to stop waiting? But the economic factor is there. With so many games with DLC, people haven't realized they are now buying 80-90-100$ games now. This really isn't any different.
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
No, it's about the cognizant choice by Blizzard to divide a game into seperate segments which must be purchased individually, given a reputation for choosing to delay a game in order to make it perfect rather than releasing an unfinished pile of crap.
But this seems par for the course for other media, especially film, but also including literature.
Man this is just like when they had the stupid money-grab splitting up WoW, BC, and WoTLK.
Or Starcraft and Brood War
Or WCIII and TFT.
Fucking WHORES.
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
Do you even know how game development works?
Do you really believe that Blizzard hasn't already done some work on content planned for their next expansion pack?
As someone who's worked for a major RTS developer, I'd answer yes to both those questions
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
Yeah, because waiting a couple months after a game's release to buy it is just not an option.
I've got a cake. Freshly baked, ready for sale.
I split it into thirds.
I sell each third for the price of an entire cake.
I mean, despite my nerd rage I can see what the guy is trying to say.
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
I mean, despite my nerd rage I can see what the guy is trying to say.
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
Yes. I am at a point in my life where I need to budget my time and money, but I still want to get a satisfying, complete experience out of the Starcraft story. I cannot afford a three-layer cake.
Then buy one of the campaigns!
They all have slightly longer lengths than the original starcraft all together, you're getting a complete story arc, and you're getting SC2 multiplayer.
Let me put it this way: JRR Tolkien could have written a single lord of the rings book. Instead, he wrote three of them. This is okay.
If he had divided the story into a dozen novels, each of them certainly a full tale in their own right, he would have nonetheless alienated a number of people who just want to read a single goddamn book. Or even three. Not twelve, no matter how good each of them may be.
There's a reason nobody's ever actually read the Silmarillion.
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
No, they are taking an already existing IP and baking three pizzas
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
Yeah, because waiting a couple months after a game's release to buy it is just not an option.
I've got a cake. Freshly baked, ready for sale.
I split it into thirds.
I sell each third for the price of an entire cake.
Customers are angry.
I wonder why
This is silly, because if you make a high quality gourmet-as-hell cake, it may cost ten times the price of normal cakes (there are cakes that cost tens of thousands of dollars). And then when you split it into thirds, each of those thirds would still sell for way more than a cheap wal-mart cake. But I guess those cakes don't ruin your chances of fully experiencing the lastest in the series of epic cakes that you're so invested in. Or something.
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
No, they are taking an already existing IP and baking three pizzas
My stomach cannot hold three pizzas. Why can't they just pile all the toppings on one pizza?
If Blizzard had said, "We're already designing the content for our WoW expansions" months before WoW came out, I would have had the same reaction.
If Blizzard had said, "Okay, we finished the game and we're already through with some of the assets for the expansion but we're going to just wait a bit and charge you for those" while Warcraft 3 was still in development, I would have had the same reaction.
So the argument isn't so much about the quality of the content, or even the quantity, but rather when it was made.
Yeah, because waiting a couple months after a game's release to buy it is just not an option.
I've got a cake. Freshly baked, ready for sale.
I split it into thirds.
I sell each third for the price of an entire cake.
Customers are angry.
I wonder why
Unless you baked three cakes, putting them out one at a time as soon as they are finished. Instead of waiting for all three to finish baking and releasing an enormous package of cakes that consumers will have to wait years for (after they've already whined for years about not getting a second of your delicious cakes).
Blizzard is developing three games, each with a single game's worth of content, and putting them out on a release schedule.
From the reactions I've seen here, and the stuff I've seen in my day to day, I'm floored at the cheapness (and in some cases, amoral selfishness) of PC gamers.
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
No, they are taking an already existing IP and baking three pizzas
My stomach cannot hold three pizzas. Why can't they just pile all the toppings on one pizza?
Why don't you just buy one pizza then?
Is someone holding you at gunpoint making you buy each pizza?
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
No, they are taking an already existing IP and baking three pizzas
My stomach cannot hold three pizzas. Why can't they just pile all the toppings on one pizza?
Just freeze the other two and eat them for breakfast. They won't go bad.
From the reactions I've seen here, and the stuff I've seen in my day to day, I'm floored at the cheapness (and in some cases, amoral selfishness) of PC gamers.
I mean, despite my nerd rage I can see what the guy is trying to say.
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
Yes, yes, we can read
but the point is
he's full of shit
Haha, if you say so! But, I think that implies that the blizzard devs are some kind of mustachioed villains.
"nyohoho! I'll design it in three segements to sell it thrice! And also raynor dies."
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
I mean, despite my nerd rage I can see what the guy is trying to say.
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
Yes, yes, we can read
but the point is
he's full of shit
Haha, if you say so! But, I think that implies that the blizzard devs are some kind of mustachioed villains.
"nyohoho! I'll design it in three segements to sell it thrice! And also raynor dies."
Blizzard are fucking geniuses
what would you call the WoW card game? Putting in-game bonuses in card booster packs
that's to make money, no fucking doubt about it
Blizzard likes money, which should be obvious
I do too
so why waste it on three games I should get for the price of one game
Again, this will not affect the multiplayer in any way. Blizzard has said they will probably add extra units or abilities in the expansions, but that's about it.
If Blizzard had announced from the start the SC2 would only be Terran, then Zerg and Protoss would be in the expansions, would people still be all pissy? Probably, but for different reasons.
And the single player is still going to be full length. Longer than the original, and it'll be far more non-linear (though with the same ending), making for more replay value.
But the main reason I care about this at all is because this means SC2 will actually be released sometime this decade. That's about it. If Blizzard can have their cake and eat it too, then good for them, more power, etc.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
From the reactions I've seen here, and the stuff I've seen in my day to day, I'm floored at the cheapness (and in some cases, amoral selfishness) of PC gamers.
Are you talking about me
I'd like to know if you're talking about me
I wasn't looking at any names in particular as I skimmed through the outrageous comments in this thread.
Meiz you should come off as less of a moron when posting.
If Starcraft didn't exist, and there were just three games set in the same universe, each with its own race and each with a single player campaign as long as normal strategy games with a unified multiplayer content, would you bitch about the company being money-grabbing whores?
No.
But blizzard just wants your money and the game is going to be a shity money grab, right?
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
No, they are taking an already existing IP and baking three pizzas
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
I just don't see a logical reason for it. If you need a disc or every race and campaign, sell the game with all three discs. I am not at all convinced there's something they can do here that they couldn't by selling it as one complete package.
Oh, they will, six months after they have released all three separately. They will call it the Starcraft 2 Power Box or something and lots of people who bought them separately will be very cross, and then they will inexplicably buy it anyway.
Just reiterating this, because this is exactly what's going to happen.
In one year when this happens, I'm going to dig this post up and look like fucking Nostradamus, except I'll actually be right about something.
Wait, so in any of the games you can use all 3 races in multi, yes? The kotaku articles aren't clear on this.
If each of these games have ridiculous metal gear length cut-scenes, I will buy them all.
But short of that, I'm not sure what warrants the 3 separate releases. I was always under the impression that they were balancing the gameplay and that the rest was done.
I made neopolitan ice cream
|Cherry|Chocolate|Vanilla|
I cut it into 3rds, horizontal slices, each customer gets each flavor. Customers are happy.
I cut it into 3rds, verticle slices, each customer gets one flavor. Single play customers are unhappy. Multiplayer customers are happier because they get their ice cream earlier.
Here's what's great.
It's not even like that.
It's a quart of neopolitan ice cream or a quart of vanilla, a quart of chocolate, and a quart of cherry.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
man you fucking suck at it too, goddamn
FFVII, VIII, and IX are three different stand-alone games
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Just reiterating this, because this is exactly what's going to happen.
It doesn't appear to be an expansion as much as of them hacking the game into 3 different titles. Maybe they want more time to finish the other 2 campaigns and want people to stop waiting? But the economic factor is there. With so many games with DLC, people haven't realized they are now buying 80-90-100$ games now. This really isn't any different.
But this seems par for the course for other media, especially film, but also including literature.
I've got a cake. Freshly baked, ready for sale.
I split it into thirds.
I sell each third for the price of an entire cake.
Customers are angry.
I wonder why
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
If not, then they are morons.
Uhm, prancing about it with "what if"s does not an argument make. The simple fact is that they're taking an already existing IP and using a pizza cutter on it. Then they're taking said slices and selling them separately for more profit.
The IP is already established so, not only is your point asinine, it's also moot.
Yes, yes, we can read
but the point is
he's full of shit
Then buy one of the campaigns!
They all have slightly longer lengths than the original starcraft all together, you're getting a complete story arc, and you're getting SC2 multiplayer.
If he had divided the story into a dozen novels, each of them certainly a full tale in their own right, he would have nonetheless alienated a number of people who just want to read a single goddamn book. Or even three. Not twelve, no matter how good each of them may be.
There's a reason nobody's ever actually read the Silmarillion.
I bake a cake. I sell it for $10. People buy it and like it.
Later I bake another cake. I split it into thirds. I sell each third for $10. People don't like this. I tell them, "It's not for money, honestly!"
I am full of shit.
This is silly, because if you make a high quality gourmet-as-hell cake, it may cost ten times the price of normal cakes (there are cakes that cost tens of thousands of dollars). And then when you split it into thirds, each of those thirds would still sell for way more than a cheap wal-mart cake. But I guess those cakes don't ruin your chances of fully experiencing the lastest in the series of epic cakes that you're so invested in. Or something.
You cake analogy only works if the second cake is more than three times as big as the original cake and each third is a full cake.
My stomach cannot hold three pizzas. Why can't they just pile all the toppings on one pizza?
Blizzard is developing three games, each with a single game's worth of content, and putting them out on a release schedule.
Is someone holding you at gunpoint making you buy each pizza?
I make a shortcake
it has strawberries, cake and cream
I sell it for $10
the next one I make, I sell the strawberries for $10, the cake for $10, and the cream for $10, all seperately
I tell everyone I am not doing this for money, that somehow this makes for a better cake experience
Are you talking about me
I'd like to know if you're talking about me
Haha, if you say so! But, I think that implies that the blizzard devs are some kind of mustachioed villains.
"nyohoho! I'll design it in three segements to sell it thrice! And also raynor dies."
Blizza Hut used to sell single pizzas with lots of toppings on them. I don't know why they went to the single-topping format.
Blizzard are fucking geniuses
what would you call the WoW card game? Putting in-game bonuses in card booster packs
that's to make money, no fucking doubt about it
Blizzard likes money, which should be obvious
I do too
so why waste it on three games I should get for the price of one game
If Blizzard had announced from the start the SC2 would only be Terran, then Zerg and Protoss would be in the expansions, would people still be all pissy? Probably, but for different reasons.
And the single player is still going to be full length. Longer than the original, and it'll be far more non-linear (though with the same ending), making for more replay value.
But the main reason I care about this at all is because this means SC2 will actually be released sometime this decade. That's about it. If Blizzard can have their cake and eat it too, then good for them, more power, etc.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
I wasn't looking at any names in particular as I skimmed through the outrageous comments in this thread.
Nonlinearity has rarely been good for plot coherency.
Hahahaha.
Sure they are.
So much wrong with this comparison. So very much.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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If each of these games have ridiculous metal gear length cut-scenes, I will buy them all.
But short of that, I'm not sure what warrants the 3 separate releases. I was always under the impression that they were balancing the gameplay and that the rest was done.
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Here's what's great.
It's not even like that.
It's a quart of neopolitan ice cream or a quart of vanilla, a quart of chocolate, and a quart of cherry.
man you fucking suck at it too, goddamn
FFVII, VIII, and IX are three different stand-alone games
Stracraft 2 is not
it's one story told across three games
it's just like making Mass Effect a trilogy
bullshit