I mean, despite my nerd rage I can see what the guy is trying to say.
It wasn't decided to split the game up just so they could sell it three times. The three games thing was a design decision, and then later someone decided that they'd be selling them separately.
But, he comes off as saying something more like "we're not doing it this way for the money!"
Yes, yes, we can read
but the point is
he's full of shit
Haha, if you say so! But, I think that implies that the blizzard devs are some kind of mustachioed villains.
"nyohoho! I'll design it in three segements to sell it thrice! And also raynor dies."
Blizzard are fucking geniuses
what would you call the WoW card game? Putting in-game bonuses in card booster packs
that's to make money, no fucking doubt about it
Blizzard likes money, which should be obvious
I do too
so why waste it on three games I should get for the price of one game
I am thinking that the game developers did not have any say as to the pricing of the game. Maybe you know more about game industry workings than I do, though.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
I sure as fucking hell should if each ticket costs $40 fucking dollars
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
So one disc will be Starcraft 2, one will be Starcraft 3 and one will be Starcraft 4, I take it? Because unless that's what they are doing, you are unfortunately incorrect.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
I think a more accurate analogy is that they're trying to sell 2 expansions packs at full price.
I made neopolitan ice cream
|Cherry|Chocolate|Vanilla|
I cut it into 3rds, horizontal slices, each customer gets each flavor. Customers are happy.
I cut it into 3rds, verticle slices, each customer gets one flavor. Single play customers are unhappy. Multiplayer customers are happier because they get their ice cream earlier.
Here's what's great.
It's not even like that.
It's a quart of neopolitan ice cream or a quart of vanilla, a quart of chocolate, and a quart of cherry.
In today's economically depressed world, who can afford three quarts of ice cream?
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
I sure as fucking hell should if each ticket costs $40 fucking dollars
Yes that is indeed not a horrible, retarded way to interpret that analogy at all.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
man you fucking suck at it too, goddamn
FFVII, VIII, and IX are three different stand-alone games
Stracraft 2 is not
it's one story told across three games
it's just like making Mass Effect a trilogy
bullshit
Are you trying to say that Mass Effect isn't a coherent game?
Because then what the fucking hell are you expecting?
Oh and by the way: Starcraft 2 is containing three different stand-alone games.
I made neopolitan ice cream
|Cherry|Chocolate|Vanilla|
I cut it into 3rds, horizontal slices, each customer gets each flavor. Customers are happy.
I cut it into 3rds, verticle slices, each customer gets one flavor. Single play customers are unhappy. Multiplayer customers are happier because they get their ice cream earlier.
Here's what's great.
It's not even like that.
It's a quart of neopolitan ice cream or a quart of vanilla, a quart of chocolate, and a quart of cherry.
In today's economically depressed world, who can afford three quarts of ice cream?
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To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
More like watching the old trilogy from Luke's perspective, and then having to pay extra to see it from Han's and Chewbacca's.
I want chewbacca, but I don't want it bad enough to pay for three movies of chewbacca.
I hate the zerg. I want the full story, but I want to suffer through as little zerg as possible. Don't make me have to buy a whole game where I have to play with mutalisks, blizzard. That's mean.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
I sure as fucking hell should if each ticket costs $40 fucking dollars
Yes that is indeed not a horrible, retarded way to interpret that analogy at all.
excuse me? want to not be retarded for a few moments so we can have an intelligent conversation
games aren't cheap unless mommy buys them for you
the sequel to a game that has more features than the game after it is retarded
swearing that it's not for money is even more retarded
sure, each campaign is bigger, but how exatly does that justify leaving out 2/3 races from the game at release?
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
More like watching the old trilogy from Luke's perspective, and then having to pay extra to see it from Han's and Chewbacca's.
I want chewbacca, but I don't want it bad enough to pay for three movies of chewbacca.
I hate the zerg. I want the full story, but I want to suffer through as little zerg as possible.
You cannot be serious about this.
Let's say the Star Wars trilogy was, instead of being split up in time, split up by perspective. Everything else was the same.
If they had structured it that way, they would've been money-grubbers and it would've been horrible, but because they were broken up in time, it's all ok?
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
I sure as fucking hell should if each ticket costs $40 fucking dollars
Yes that is indeed not a horrible, retarded way to interpret that analogy at all.
excuse me? want to not be retarded for a few moments so we can have an intelligent conversation
games aren't cheap unless mommy buys them for you
the sequel to a game that has less features than the game before it is retarded
swearing that it's not for money is even more retarded
sure, each campaign is bigger, but how exatly does that justify leaving out 2/3 races from the game at release?
Do you have any problem with Starcraft: Brood War?
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
man you fucking suck at it too, goddamn
FFVII, VIII, and IX are three different stand-alone games
Stracraft 2 is not
it's one story told across three games
it's just like making Mass Effect a trilogy
bullshit
Are you trying to say that Mass Effect isn't a coherent game?
Because then what the fucking hell are you expecting?
Oh and by the way: Starcraft 2 is containing three different stand-alone games.
3 games that use the same mechanics, similar campaign elements, engine, factions in multiplayer, multiplayer experience and developer don't stand-alone unless said company is out to milk you for your money.
It's an RTS for fucks sakes. What exactly makes them different here?
If you're joking here, then this is pretty good. If not, you just utterly failed at forums.
But to those who are uninformed, you will be able to play all three races on multiplayer with the first terran release, and also be able to play skirmishes on single player with all three races as well. There will, however, only be one campaign in the first release (Terran).
Other strategy games have done exactly the same thing (DOW & CoH for starters). Frankly, I don't see why people are so upset. You're not gonna get less game then you would if they did their campaign the traditional way. You would get 3 short single-player campaigns for each race, and then two expansions would follow in the same format.
Everyone knows strategy games are all about the multiplayer anyways, SC is not an RPG bitches.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
More like watching the old trilogy from Luke's perspective, and then having to pay extra to see it from Han's and Chewbacca's.
I want chewbacca, but I don't want it bad enough to pay for three movies of chewbacca.
I hate the zerg. I want the full story, but I want to suffer through as little zerg as possible.
Then there's the whole, one disc of FFVII is twice as long as a God of War, so why shouldn't each disc cost $100?
If you chopped up the 3 FFVII discs that's pretty much like the Star Wars movies chop ups. a bunch of contained parts of a larger story.
Let's say the Star Wars trilogy was, instead of being split up in time, split up by perspective. Everything else was the same.
If they had structured it that way, they would've been money-grubbers and it would've been horrible, but because they were broken up in time, it's all ok?
I would not be happy if they split it up by perspective. You are correct.
I want the full story, but I want to suffer through as little zerg as possible.
Only buy one so you can enjoy the gameplay, and then use the rest of the money to buy some books. I picked up Faust part 1 and Childhood's End for like a dollar at a used book sale. You could get like a hundred books, and each of them will probably have a better story.
Edit: And then you're also sticking it to them for ripping you off by only giving them $50 instead of $150.
Edit 2: Or just buy like one book, and then laugh on the way to the bank with your 149 other dollars.
What about this? Blizzard delays the game another 1.5 years and then jacks the price up to $100, because the SC2 they want to put out is at least 3x bigger (in singleplayer content) than any other on the market, or in development (that I know of). Or they shovel out something sub-par and everyone bitches about how it's not as awesome as they'd been led to believe.
And they will be different, in many ways. The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race. Not to mention all the cut-scenes and production values.
Do you want your game now? Do you want it ever? This is Blizzard we're talking about here.
What about this? Blizzard delays the game another 1.5 years and then jacks the price up to $100, because the SC2 they want to put out is at least 3x bigger (in singleplayer content) than any other on the market, or in development (that I know of). Or they shovel out something sub-par and everyone bitches about how it's not as awesome as they'd been led to believe.
And they will be different, in many ways. The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race. Not to mention all the cut-scenes and production values.
Do you want your game now? Do you want it ever? This is Blizzard we're talking about here.
Man, if a game is so awesome that it has to cost a hundred dollars at release, then the damned thing better give blowjobs on command, and allow me to travel through time. For fuck's sake.
The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race.
Oh, come on. There's only so much you can do to make a an RTS campaign unique.
So quit your bitching then.
Whether you believe it or not, the metagame for each race will be functionally different. Not to mention that each campaign is bigger than SC1, and probably BW, too, if you take into account extra missions and the like. There's also a mini Protoss campaign with the first release. Blizzard knows what they're doing.
Edit: The point is that Blizzard is putting in more work than for just one game. They're making 3x the singleplayer content, at least, and there is almost guaranteed to be multiplayer extras as well.
The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race.
Oh, come on. There's only so much you can do to make a an RTS campaign unique.
So quit your bitching then.
Whether you believe it or not, the metagame for each race will be functionally different. Not to mention that each campaign is bigger than SC1, and probably BW, too, if you take into account extra missions and the like. There's also a mini Protoss campaign with the first release. Blizzard knows what they're doing.
and they're going to be swimming in money because of it.
To put it in video game terms, remember Final Fantasy VII? Remember how it came on three discs? I'm sure you do. Now, imagine if you had to buy each disc separately, with each disc costing as much as a whole Playstation game. Not a pretty picture, is it?
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T THE SAME WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALOGIES.
It's like if Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy IX all came separately with each game costing as much as a whole Playstation game.
So one disc will be Starcraft 2, one will be Starcraft 3 and one will be Starcraft 4, I take it? Because unless that's what they are doing, you are unfortunately incorrect.
Oh now I see, this is just the same situation as when Vice City and San Andreas weren't packaged with GTA3
So, if the game comes, and you get like 20 hours+ (all specialized on one race. not branched out) as well as some good multi-player. Good yes? Then you get the exact same thing, a year later, except with differing mechanics and an entirely different race to play as, you guys would be mad?
It'd be like any game developer selling expansions for their games. Same engine, same franchise, same mechanics, same thing. Its not like blizzard is going to fucking make the story section for each race the same length they would have been for each individual race in the Original Starcraft. They have said that each game will be full. Why such pessimism? Blizzard is fucking great at delivering some good shit.
They made the decision to create 3 separate full stories which intertwine together, rather than 3 partial stories which intertwine together. Okay with me. Will I be spending more money than if it was just one game? Sure. But I perfer the choice to buy three games, or one, or two. Whatever. They arn't making you pay for anything. If you don't give a shit about single player, then you don't have a problem.
Also, I heard somewhere that Zerg (might have been Protoss, I forget) campaign will have some nice RPG elements. Sounds cool.
I just don't see a logical reason for it. If you need a disc for every race and campaign, sell the game with all three discs. I am not at all convinced there's something they can do here that they couldn't by selling it as one complete package.
Oh, they will, six months after they have released all three separately. They will call it the Starcraft 2 Power Box or something and lots of people who bought them separately will be very cross, and then they will inexplicably buy it anyway.
Just reiterating this, because this is exactly what's going to happen.
The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race.
Oh, come on. There's only so much you can do to make a an RTS campaign unique.
So quit your bitching then.
Whether you believe it or not, the metagame for each race will be functionally different. Not to mention that each campaign is bigger than SC1, and probably BW, too, if you take into account extra missions and the like. There's also a mini Protoss campaign with the first release. Blizzard knows what they're doing.
and they're going to be swimming in money because of it.
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I am thinking that the game developers did not have any say as to the pricing of the game. Maybe you know more about game industry workings than I do, though.
Or for an easier comparison, it's like watching A New Hope and bitching that you have to pay more money to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
Like I said, all the major plot points and the ending will be the same. The bits in between are up to you. More non-linear, not completely non-linear.
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I sure as fucking hell should if each ticket costs $40 fucking dollars
So one disc will be Starcraft 2, one will be Starcraft 3 and one will be Starcraft 4, I take it? Because unless that's what they are doing, you are unfortunately incorrect.
In today's economically depressed world, who can afford three quarts of ice cream?
Yes that is indeed not a horrible, retarded way to interpret that analogy at all.
Are you trying to say that Mass Effect isn't a coherent game?
Because then what the fucking hell are you expecting?
Oh and by the way: Starcraft 2 is containing three different stand-alone games.
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More like watching the old trilogy from Luke's perspective, and then having to pay extra to see it from Han's and Chewbacca's.
I want chewbacca, but I don't want it bad enough to pay for three movies of chewbacca.
I hate the zerg. I want the full story, but I want to suffer through as little zerg as possible. Don't make me have to buy a whole game where I have to play with mutalisks, blizzard. That's mean.
I think they were $10 cheaper due to being expansions.
Which brings up a point, has Blizzard stated that these expansions will be $50?
excuse me? want to not be retarded for a few moments so we can have an intelligent conversation
games aren't cheap unless mommy buys them for you
the sequel to a game that has more features than the game after it is retarded
swearing that it's not for money is even more retarded
sure, each campaign is bigger, but how exatly does that justify leaving out 2/3 races from the game at release?
Blue Shift and Opposing force weren't full priced. Not when I bought them, at least.
You cannot be serious about this.
Let's say the Star Wars trilogy was, instead of being split up in time, split up by perspective. Everything else was the same.
If they had structured it that way, they would've been money-grubbers and it would've been horrible, but because they were broken up in time, it's all ok?
Do you have any problem with Starcraft: Brood War?
3 games that use the same mechanics, similar campaign elements, engine, factions in multiplayer, multiplayer experience and developer don't stand-alone unless said company is out to milk you for your money.
It's an RTS for fucks sakes. What exactly makes them different here?
Ah, I did not actually know what they cost! But still, would it be ok if blizzard just hung onto two of the races and then sold them later for less?
If you're joking here, then this is pretty good. If not, you just utterly failed at forums.
But to those who are uninformed, you will be able to play all three races on multiplayer with the first terran release, and also be able to play skirmishes on single player with all three races as well. There will, however, only be one campaign in the first release (Terran).
Other strategy games have done exactly the same thing (DOW & CoH for starters). Frankly, I don't see why people are so upset. You're not gonna get less game then you would if they did their campaign the traditional way. You would get 3 short single-player campaigns for each race, and then two expansions would follow in the same format.
Everyone knows strategy games are all about the multiplayer anyways, SC is not an RPG bitches.
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That's probably what's going to happen if their previous expansions are any indication.
Then there's the whole, one disc of FFVII is twice as long as a God of War, so why shouldn't each disc cost $100?
If you chopped up the 3 FFVII discs that's pretty much like the Star Wars movies chop ups. a bunch of contained parts of a larger story.
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I would not be happy if they split it up by perspective. You are correct.
I care that they are saying it's not for money
except for the fact that they have practically tripled their revenue with this decision
nope, not the reason they did it at all
Only buy one so you can enjoy the gameplay, and then use the rest of the money to buy some books. I picked up Faust part 1 and Childhood's End for like a dollar at a used book sale. You could get like a hundred books, and each of them will probably have a better story.
Edit: And then you're also sticking it to them for ripping you off by only giving them $50 instead of $150.
Edit 2: Or just buy like one book, and then laugh on the way to the bank with your 149 other dollars.
I don't want to stick it to Blizzard. I like Blizzard.
I just want them to have a little brevity.
And they will be different, in many ways. The way the singleplay campaigns are going to work will be completely different for each race. Not to mention all the cut-scenes and production values.
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Oh, come on. There's only so much you can do to make a an RTS campaign unique.
Man, if a game is so awesome that it has to cost a hundred dollars at release, then the damned thing better give blowjobs on command, and allow me to travel through time. For fuck's sake.
So quit your bitching then.
Whether you believe it or not, the metagame for each race will be functionally different. Not to mention that each campaign is bigger than SC1, and probably BW, too, if you take into account extra missions and the like. There's also a mini Protoss campaign with the first release. Blizzard knows what they're doing.
Edit: The point is that Blizzard is putting in more work than for just one game. They're making 3x the singleplayer content, at least, and there is almost guaranteed to be multiplayer extras as well.
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and they're going to be swimming in money because of it.
Oh now I see, this is just the same situation as when Vice City and San Andreas weren't packaged with GTA3
It'd be like any game developer selling expansions for their games. Same engine, same franchise, same mechanics, same thing. Its not like blizzard is going to fucking make the story section for each race the same length they would have been for each individual race in the Original Starcraft. They have said that each game will be full. Why such pessimism? Blizzard is fucking great at delivering some good shit.
They made the decision to create 3 separate full stories which intertwine together, rather than 3 partial stories which intertwine together. Okay with me. Will I be spending more money than if it was just one game? Sure. But I perfer the choice to buy three games, or one, or two. Whatever. They arn't making you pay for anything. If you don't give a shit about single player, then you don't have a problem.
Also, I heard somewhere that Zerg (might have been Protoss, I forget) campaign will have some nice RPG elements. Sounds cool.
See, I'm inclined to disagree.
Oh noes! Blizzard gets rewarded for making quality products! What is the world coming to?
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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