Is the forming of New Avengers covered in the first issue or was it something that occurred elsewhere?
Edit: Oh. And if the New Avengers formed 6 months after the Disassembly, doesn't that mean they were formed during the House of M event? And that would mean House of M should be an event that happened this year, not way back when.
What am I missing here?
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If the first issue you're talking about is New Avengers #1 then yes. As the the timeline of the events I'd say don't worry if it's a little confusing. The first Issue of New Avengers came out in December 2004 right after the last Disassembled issue, Avengers #503 I think. The opening narration in New Avengers #1 says 6 months have passed since Dis. and NA #1. House of M began in June 2005 and lasted into early 2006 due to delays. Civil War stared in May 2006 and lasted until February 2007 again due to delays. World War Hulk started in June 2007 and ended November 2007. Finally Secret Invasion began April 2008 and ended December 2008, amazingly no delays except for the last issue. However, the arcitect for Dis., New Avengers, House of M, and Secret Invasion, Brian Michael Bendis, has the timeline for ALL these events happening in the SAME YEAR so don't worry if you're confused, we all are.
Oh damn I forgot about Planet Hulk. If you want to read World War Hulk then I suggest getting Planet Hulk first but it is a bit expensive due to length, about $34.99 for the trade but I do think it's worth it.
Long story short there is a big difference between release dates and internal comic time. Just because events were released 6 months apart doesn't mean that internally 6 months have passed. If you think about most comic arcs they take months to release the issues but the events depicted might all happen within a single day.
So if they kick off a comic by saying "6 months have passed" then you can pretty much just accept it. A good writer will find ways to reference other events so that the book is tied into the greater continuity. Like in New Avengers there is an arc which deals with some of the fallout of House of M. So they don't need to say "this issue takes place just after House of M", because it's right there in the story.
I know that Rors, Nite-Owl, and Doctor Manhattan were stand-ins for Question, Blue Beetle, and Captain Atom, but what about the rest of the cast? Whom were they pastiches of?
They were all Charlton Comics characters.
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt
Nite Owl = Blue Beetle
Rorschach = The Question
The Comedian = Peacemaker
Silk Spectre = Nightshade
In the back of the Absolute, it has the original pitch with the Charlton Characters which is a fun read.
One of the most interesting extra's material I've seen in a hardcover was the concept sketches in the Watchmen Absolute book which show the progression from the original Charlton characters (that I had almost without fail never heard of before) to the final characters used.
I liked Silent War except for the ending. I understand that Secret Invasion: Inhumans tied up the loose ends of that series.
NA began slightly less than a year before the HoM event.
World War Hulk is easier to understand if you read Planet Hulk.
You should also read New Avengers: Illuminati Special and New Avengers: Illuminati (the miniseries). Besides explaining WWH, it also directly relates to Civil War and Secret Invasion.
The best way I've found to get into different characters is to read team books. Every major team book written right now is done by good creators and they're consistent in the characterizations.
I liked Silent War except for the ending. I understand that Secret Invasion: Inhumans tied up the loose ends of that series.
NA began slightly less than a year before the HoM event.
World War Hulk is easier to understand if you read Planet Hulk.
You should also read New Avengers: Illuminati Special and New Avengers: Illuminati (the miniseries). Besides explaining WWH, it also directly relates to Civil War and Secret Invasion.
The best way I've found to get into different characters is to read team books. Every major team book written right now is done by good creators and they're consistent in the characterizations.
I think Khan mentioned he's reading the Road to Civil War trade which has the Illuminati special but the Illuminati miniseries is a great recommendation as well.
I've been on a bit of a Star Wars kick as of late, and would like to check out some of the Star Wars comics. Where's a good place to start, or are there any stand alone stories worth investing in. My knowledge of Star Wars pretty much goes as far as watching episodes IV-VI about a dozen times each, episodes I-III a few times, and playing lots of Lego Star Wars with my nephews.
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Thanks a ton for all the help guys. Just gotta sort out what I want/need first now.
One more question that I've either forgotten or failed to gather from the Cap Omnibus.
Nick Fury is apparently in hiding. I can't remember if that was a result of failed attempt to bust Kronas in London or not.
Fury is in hiding due to the events in Secret War (not to be confused with Secret Wars 1 or 2, Silent War, or Secret Invasion)
the quick version (if you were curious (not you, ringo, i assume you know)) is that
shield discovered that a lot of costumed criminals in america were being secretly funded by latveria as an attempt to, y'know, promote terror in the us or whatever. nick fury took it to the president but was told basically don't worry about it, thanks man. Nick doesn't think that answer's good enough, so he recruits a little team of heroes (cap, spidey, daredevil, wolverine, black widow, and luke cage, and it's the first appearance of that daisy girl who was working with nick in secret invasion) to, essentially, go covertly overthrow the latvarian government. one thing leads to another and nick ends up erasing all their memories to, y'know, shut everyone up.
a year later, the chick who was in charge of latvaria at the time (i forget her name) shows up in new york and starts fucking up our boys. eventually they kick her ass of course, but everyone is mightily confused until nick comes clean with it all (via LMD which was in the process of being gutted by an enraged wolverine) and tells everyone he's going underground, because he fucked up too bad this time.
it's also where maria hill is from.
it's not a bad little trade, if you're into that kind of story.
The twins may or may not be featured in Young Avengers, it has been left purposefully ambiguous.
Pretty much this, Speed and Wiccan from Young Avengers may or may not be the twins. If you read the YA : Presents issue with them it goes into a bit more depth. Basically Billy (Wiccan) goes around the world looking for Wanda and Tommy (Speed) helps.
Thanks a ton for all the help guys. Just gotta sort out what I want/need first now.
One more question that I've either forgotten or failed to gather from the Cap Omnibus.
Nick Fury is apparently in hiding. I can't remember if that was a result of failed attempt to bust Kronas in London or not.
Fury is in hiding due to the events in Secret War (not to be confused with Secret Wars 1 or 2, Silent War, or Secret Invasion)
the quick version (if you were curious (not you, ringo, i assume you know)) is that
shield discovered that a lot of costumed criminals in america were being secretly funded by latveria as an attempt to, y'know, promote terror in the us or whatever. nick fury took it to the president but was told basically don't worry about it, thanks man. Nick doesn't think that answer's good enough, so he recruits a little team of heroes (cap, spidey, daredevil, wolverine, black widow, and luke cage, and it's the first appearance of that daisy girl who was working with nick in secret invasion) to, essentially, go covertly overthrow the latvarian government. one thing leads to another and nick ends up erasing all their memories to, y'know, shut everyone up.
a year later, the chick who was in charge of latvaria at the time (i forget her name) shows up in new york and starts fucking up our boys. eventually they kick her ass of course, but everyone is mightily confused until nick comes clean with it all (via LMD which was in the process of being gutted by an enraged wolverine) and tells everyone he's going underground, because he fucked up too bad this time.
it's also where maria hill is from.
it's not a bad little trade, if you're into that kind of story.
The thing I liked about Secret War is that
you never see the actions that the team took, none of the flashbacks really show anything. It gives a nice mystery and confusion to the story, which is also what the characters are facing
It certainly looked that way, but since Hine never got to write the proposed third mini-series that would have tied his loose ends up I'm unsure if it's been ignored. Probably.
I didn't read the Secret Invasion Inhumans series, so could someone tell me when Blackbolt was swapped out?
I think I saw one for House of M that was almost twice the width of my paperback copy. What's the extra stuff in them?
I have to say, I really do love things like Road to Civil War and Secret Invasion: The Infiltration that bundle the most important preceding issues into one book. I don't intend on reading much Marvel, but I do read the big events, and so those books are a great help to me.
Secret Invasion is pretty easy, since most of the tie-ins were optional. Read the the Infiltration issues of New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, and Avengers: The Initiative. Then read the main SI miniseries and the NA, MA, and Initiative tie-ins. I'd also recommend reading the T-Bolts tie-in just because it sets up Dark Reign. Beyond that, the SI: Inhumans mini sets up War of Kings and Iron Man sets up the new War Machine series. Other good tie-ins were Incredible Hercules, Black Panther, and Thor.
Ok, but at this point I remain highly confused as to what any of that is. If they're their own miniseries, took place in the middle of an already occurring arc, etc.
It'll take me some time to sort it out, since I'm coming in blind to it all.
Looks like I'm going to have to do the same research I did to figure out what I wanted from Civil War to figure out what to get from Secret Invasion.
Old events where most of the marvel heroes and villains are brought to a planet out in space and made to fight or something. I forget which one but in one of them Spider-Man finds his symbiote costume. That is literally all I can remember about them.
I think the Beyonder is the guy who sets everything up?
Looks like I'm going to have to do the same research I did to figure out what I wanted from Civil War to figure out what to get from Secret Invasion.
Old events where most of the marvel heroes and villains are brought to a planet out in space and made to fight or something. I forget which one but in one of them Spider-Man finds his symbiote costume. That is literally all I can remember about them.
I think the Beyonder is the guy who sets everything up?
Yup!
Only the first of the two is good, and even then only for nostalgia purposes.
I wasn't getting any understanding from Wikipedia, but it's probably because I'm trying to process all of this at once.
Being anal about understanding everything is sorta sucking the fun out of this. I'm gonna work on that and slowly build my collection of those series, then worry about Secret Invasion after I get the House of M and Planet Hulk/WWH stuff I want.
I wasn't getting any understanding from Wikipedia, but it's probably because I'm trying to process all of this at once.
Being anal about understanding everything is sorta sucking the fun out of this. I'm gonna work on that and slowly build my collection of those series, then worry about Secret Invasion after I get the House of M and Planet Hulk/WWH stuff I want.
I think you'll find the best way to absorb the overarching story is to read stuff you are interested in, and then follow breadcrumbs that pop up in those books. When it comes to jumping into comics, I think it's usually better to get the current stuff you like, and work backwards.
Yeah, especially since the past in comics is so mutable in the first place. The important stuff will pop up in current arcs, and if you feel the need you can always read the trades later.
This does not feel like Spider-Man in Road to Civil War. The new costume doesn't help.
and the innocence is gone.
Took long enough.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
People bitch a lot about One More Day, but Brand New Day Spidey has been really good. Before that, Back In Black was really quite good also.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
People bitch a lot about One More Day, but Brand New Day Spidey has been really good. Before that, Back In Black was really quite good also.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
Brand New Day is fucking terrible. There are some okay spots, surrounded by radioactive shit.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
People bitch a lot about One More Day, but Brand New Day Spidey has been really good. Before that, Back In Black was really quite good also.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
Brand New Day is fucking terrible. There are some okay spots, surrounded by radioactive shit.
There's only been one BND story I'd say qualifies as terrible, the rest has varied between average to pretty good.
Freak was terrible and the long-term storylines about the Jackpot, Spider-Tracer Killer, and Menace are terrible, but on the whole Spider-Man is hit or miss but on the whole average.
People bitch a lot about One More Day, but Brand New Day Spidey has been really good. Before that, Back In Black was really quite good also.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
Brand New Day is fucking terrible. There are some okay spots, surrounded by radioactive shit.
Hey, when did Algertman replace Sentry?
Obviously I think you're wrong. Except for maybe two or three stories, ASM has been quite good the last year.
People bitch a lot about One More Day, but Brand New Day Spidey has been really good. Before that, Back In Black was really quite good also.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
Brand New Day is fucking terrible. There are some okay spots, surrounded by radioactive shit.
Hey, when did Algertman replace Sentry?
Obviously I think you're wrong. Except for maybe two or three stories, ASM has been quite good the last year.
gah... when you've been compared to Algertman, you know you've stepped over the line. I apologize.
Full disclosure: I stopped reading comics after the winter storm arc, and just picked it up again recently. The two I just read, one was okay, the other was terribad. So I kind of assumed the rest of the year was the same.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
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Edit: A rough timeline of events is
Disassembled -> New Avengers formed -> House of M -> Hulk gets shot into space (Planet Hulk) -> Civil War -> World War Hulk -> Secret Invasion
Spoiled due to length...
Oh damn I forgot about Planet Hulk. If you want to read World War Hulk then I suggest getting Planet Hulk first but it is a bit expensive due to length, about $34.99 for the trade but I do think it's worth it.
So if they kick off a comic by saying "6 months have passed" then you can pretty much just accept it. A good writer will find ways to reference other events so that the book is tied into the greater continuity. Like in New Avengers there is an arc which deals with some of the fallout of House of M. So they don't need to say "this issue takes place just after House of M", because it's right there in the story.
They were all Charlton Comics characters.
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt
Nite Owl = Blue Beetle
Rorschach = The Question
The Comedian = Peacemaker
Silk Spectre = Nightshade
In the back of the Absolute, it has the original pitch with the Charlton Characters which is a fun read.
I liked Silent War except for the ending. I understand that Secret Invasion: Inhumans tied up the loose ends of that series.
NA began slightly less than a year before the HoM event.
World War Hulk is easier to understand if you read Planet Hulk.
You should also read New Avengers: Illuminati Special and New Avengers: Illuminati (the miniseries). Besides explaining WWH, it also directly relates to Civil War and Secret Invasion.
The best way I've found to get into different characters is to read team books. Every major team book written right now is done by good creators and they're consistent in the characterizations.
I think Khan mentioned he's reading the Road to Civil War trade which has the Illuminati special but the Illuminati miniseries is a great recommendation as well.
One more question that I've either forgotten or failed to gather from the Cap Omnibus.
the quick version (if you were curious (not you, ringo, i assume you know)) is that
a year later, the chick who was in charge of latvaria at the time (i forget her name) shows up in new york and starts fucking up our boys. eventually they kick her ass of course, but everyone is mightily confused until nick comes clean with it all (via LMD which was in the process of being gutted by an enraged wolverine) and tells everyone he's going underground, because he fucked up too bad this time.
it's also where maria hill is from.
it's not a bad little trade, if you're into that kind of story.
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The thing I liked about Secret War is that
I didn't read the Secret Invasion Inhumans series, so could someone tell me when Blackbolt was swapped out?
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You don't have to read the tie-ins, but you should at least read Thor: Disassembled. If you like, y'know, awesomeness.
I think I saw one for House of M that was almost twice the width of my paperback copy. What's the extra stuff in them?
I have to say, I really do love things like Road to Civil War and Secret Invasion: The Infiltration that bundle the most important preceding issues into one book. I don't intend on reading much Marvel, but I do read the big events, and so those books are a great help to me.
Looks like I'm going to have to do the same research I did to figure out what I wanted from Civil War to figure out what to get from Secret Invasion.
It'll take me some time to sort it out, since I'm coming in blind to it all.
Thor and Inhumans were miniseries, the others were the ongoing books.
Old events where most of the marvel heroes and villains are brought to a planet out in space and made to fight or something. I forget which one but in one of them Spider-Man finds his symbiote costume. That is literally all I can remember about them.
I think the Beyonder is the guy who sets everything up?
Yup!
Only the first of the two is good, and even then only for nostalgia purposes.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Being anal about understanding everything is sorta sucking the fun out of this. I'm gonna work on that and slowly build my collection of those series, then worry about Secret Invasion after I get the House of M and Planet Hulk/WWH stuff I want.
I think you'll find the best way to absorb the overarching story is to read stuff you are interested in, and then follow breadcrumbs that pop up in those books. When it comes to jumping into comics, I think it's usually better to get the current stuff you like, and work backwards.
and the innocence is gone.
Took long enough.
Kingkhan: As for continuity...seriously, don't get too worked up over it. Pick a few books that most people around here seem to like, check them out, and work back from there. Trust me, the next event will probably be in about 6 to 8 months, and then you can satisfy your curiosity about some of the other corners of the Marvel Universe. Instead of using wikipedia to look up events, use it to look up characters. You'll usually get the most important parts of their history as it relates to events anyway.
Brand New Day is fucking terrible. There are some okay spots, surrounded by radioactive shit.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I dont even know what this question means
There's only been one BND story I'd say qualifies as terrible, the rest has varied between average to pretty good.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Hey, when did Algertman replace Sentry?
Obviously I think you're wrong. Except for maybe two or three stories, ASM has been quite good the last year.
gah... when you've been compared to Algertman, you know you've stepped over the line. I apologize.
Full disclosure: I stopped reading comics after the winter storm arc, and just picked it up again recently. The two I just read, one was okay, the other was terribad. So I kind of assumed the rest of the year was the same.