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ROUND THREE: FIGHT C: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    oh good here goes the fire talk.

    J'onn has been on fire hitting Flash with a tree.

    Just because there is the possibility for fire anywhere, it's not like J'onn has been on earth this long without figuring out how to avoid fire.

    So? and Superman always manages to get hit by kryptonite even though he knows to avoid it.

    While J'onn would surely avoid the fire, the other fighters certainly have a chance of throwing him into it. Plus fire has always had a profound psychological effect on j'onn. He doesn't have to be in it for it to mess with his head and pull his guard down.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    oh good here goes the fire talk.

    J'onn has been on fire hitting Flash with a tree.

    Just because there is the possibility for fire anywhere, it's not like J'onn has been on earth this long without figuring out how to avoid fire.
    Was this before or after he got all fire resistant?

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    oh good here goes the fire talk.

    J'onn has been on fire hitting Flash with a tree.

    Just because there is the possibility for fire anywhere, it's not like J'onn has been on earth this long without figuring out how to avoid fire.
    Was this before or after he got all fire resistant?

    Before.

    They had to get the fire out right away, but my point is he doesn't immediately die from it or something.

    And fuck, Superman gets hit with kryptonite all the time because he's a goddamn moron.

    And the other competitors, all from different universes, would have to KNOW about the fire weakness to be throwing it at him. And the fire thing is probably less well known than Supes's weaknesses.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    Jordyn wrote:
    oh good here goes the fire talk.

    J'onn has been on fire hitting Flash with a tree.

    Just because there is the possibility for fire anywhere, it's not like J'onn has been on earth this long without figuring out how to avoid fire.
    Was this before or after he got all fire resistant?

    Before.

    They had to get the fire out right away, but my point is he doesn't immediately die from it or something.

    And fuck, Superman gets hit with kryptonite all the time because he's a goddamn moron.

    And the other competitors, all from different universes, would have to KNOW about the fire weakness to be throwing it at him. And the fire thing is probably less well known than Supes's weaknesses.

    Hulk poops, light it on fire and starts chucking it into the Manhunter's general vacinity. Im assuming that Hulk's poop also explodes. And smells. Hulk could also eat MM 'cause he's yummy. Yummy like warm ice cream. Don't bother disputing my logic as I am omnivorous, omniscient.

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  • CircularCircular Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Does Thor have any resistance to mental attacks? I can imagine the Manhunter taking control of Thor immediately and then simply having him fly out of bounds.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Circular wrote:
    Does Thor have any resistance to mental attacks? I can imagine the Manhunter taking control of Thor immediately and then simply having him fly out of bounds.
    I dunno, would his adviser be Odin or Iron Man?

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Circular wrote:
    Does Thor have any resistance to mental attacks? I can imagine the Manhunter taking control of Thor immediately and then simply having him fly out of bounds.
    As we mentioned last round, Asgardians are portrayed as being highly resistant to mental control. The only people I can think of who affected Thor's mind were other Asgardians, using magic, not telepathy. We decided Manhunter could probably read his mind to some extent, but not control it.

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    Jordyn wrote:
    oh good here goes the fire talk.

    J'onn has been on fire hitting Flash with a tree.

    Just because there is the possibility for fire anywhere, it's not like J'onn has been on earth this long without figuring out how to avoid fire.
    Was this before or after he got all fire resistant?

    Before.

    They had to get the fire out right away, but my point is he doesn't immediately die from it or something.

    And fuck, Superman gets hit with kryptonite all the time because he's a goddamn moron.

    And the other competitors, all from different universes, would have to KNOW about the fire weakness to be throwing it at him. And the fire thing is probably less well known than Supes's weaknesses.


    All the Marvel guys would watch vids of MM though, as he is still a stranger to them. (Except Namor cuz he's a prick) They might not know the extent of MM's fire problems, but they'd know to use it.

    If the 3 (Hulk, Thor and J'onn) weren't so evenly matched I'd agree that fire is a non-issue .. but right now .. it is the biggest weakness any of the 3 have. Atleast that i can see .. convince me otherwise if ya can .. cuz I like MM alot.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Hulk just spent the last couple issues setting things on fire in various ways.

    Manhunter is out.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The videos are of the previous rounds right? Or, what? Because I don't remember is fire weakness being in any of Beyonder's recaps. And just because someone can light a goddamn fire, doesn't mean they can beat J'onn.

    I have a lighter, he would still kick my ass.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    You aren't the Hulk.

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  • Kshah777Kshah777 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Hulk also spent the last couple issues making friends with aliens. Maybe he and Manhunter could team up... could J'onn use some psychic suggestiveness to help Hulk agree? Or does he usually just mindfuck you? I don't know as much about MM.

    Also, is he immune to fire when intangible?

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    No. Just seeing fire makes him freak out and cry.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/10/alan_kistlers_p_1.shtml

    From the best history of the Martian Manhunter out there:
    The tiniest flame from a match would frighten him, as its presence caused his powers to shut down.
    Since Batman and Superman were only “honorary members” at the time, J’onn was used to do what Superman would have done if he’d been in the stories (unless he passed by a pesky camp fire or someone who was lighting a cigar).
    When J’onn saw fire, he freaked out and convinced himself that he was now vulnerable.
    the aliens were rendered powerless when in the presence of fire.
    In an issue of AQUAMAN several months beforehand, Peter David showed a scuffle between Arthur and the League, during which the sea king nuetralized J'onn with fire. And in the afore-mentioned MID-SUMMER'S NIGHTMARE, Mark Waid showed J'onn go into a near catatonic state when he was assaulted by visions of flames around him, and Wonder Woman specifically stated during the story that Martians were vulnerable to fire.
    Their telepathy had a severe reaction to the presence of fire. When they saw it, their telepathic control over their own body would weaken, deadening their powers and making them vulnerable.

    Before they got rid of it, the fire weakness fucked him up bad. The version of him in the tournament has the fire weakness. Please stop ignoring it.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The version of him that was ON FIRE had the fire weakness, and he was still swinging a goddamn tree around.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    The version of him that was ON FIRE had the fire weakness, and he was still swinging a goddamn tree around.

    Given all the evidence that goes against this, I'd have to say it's an exception to the rule. Happens a lot in comics.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    No, J'onn has been on fire/near lots of fire a lot in the comics and come out okay.

    Oh, and the White Martians. Remember those? Those are more pyrophobic than Green martians.

    And not even the White Martians were scared of a little flame like from lighter.

    You'd pretty much need to immerse J'onn into an inferno to beat him with the fire strategy.

    And the other guys don't know about the fire weakness, nor could they learn it from any videos, as that would mean they reveal a non-public weakness, which isn't allowed.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    And not even the White Martians were scared of a little flame like from lighter

    Didn't Batman beat almost all of them by surrounding them with a ring of candles?

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Batman beat three of them by surrounding them with a gasoline fire and then beating them up while they were weak. But that was Batman as written by Grant Morrison, so any other superhero probably couldn't do it.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    And not even the White Martians were scared of a little flame like from lighter

    Didn't Batman beat almost all of them by surrounding them with a ring of candles?

    No.

    He poured gas all over the place and then set it on fire.

    And the Hyperclan's leader was on fire, too, for a moment, and recovered almost immediately.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Man, what the hell is with my memory? :x

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Thor and MM. Namor is out due to lack of water, and Hulk is just fucking done. No way in hell he is beating MM or Thor.

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/10/alan_kistlers_p_1.shtml

    From the best history of the Martian Manhunter out there:
    The tiniest flame from a match would frighten him, as its presence caused his powers to shut down.
    Since Batman and Superman were only “honorary members” at the time, J’onn was used to do what Superman would have done if he’d been in the stories (unless he passed by a pesky camp fire or someone who was lighting a cigar).
    When J’onn saw fire, he freaked out and convinced himself that he was now vulnerable.
    the aliens were rendered powerless when in the presence of fire.
    In an issue of AQUAMAN several months beforehand, Peter David showed a scuffle between Arthur and the League, during which the sea king nuetralized J'onn with fire. And in the afore-mentioned MID-SUMMER'S NIGHTMARE, Mark Waid showed J'onn go into a near catatonic state when he was assaulted by visions of flames around him, and Wonder Woman specifically stated during the story that Martians were vulnerable to fire.
    Their telepathy had a severe reaction to the presence of fire. When they saw it, their telepathic control over their own body would weaken, deadening their powers and making them vulnerable.

    Before they got rid of it, the fire weakness fucked him up bad. The version of him in the tournament has the fire weakness. Please stop ignoring it.

    MM is so fucked. Even if he needs to be surrounded by an inferno .. we've got that covered with Thor's lightning in the giant forest.

    I like Martian Manhunter, but he isn't gonna win this one. So like dead said, stop ignoring his weakness.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    If J'onn sees lightning and he's in a forest, he is going to get out of the forest.

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    If J'onn sees lightning and he's in a forest, he is going to get out of the forest.

    Yeah, but the Hulk and Thor are both powerful enough that it may not be J'onn's decision where he goes during the course of the fight.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jordyn wrote:
    If J'onn sees lightning and he's in a forest, he is going to get out of the forest.

    Yeah, but the Hulk and Thor are both powerful enough that it may not be J'onn's decision where he goes during the course of the fight.

    Yes, except that J'onn is faster than th both of them put together, and can also become intangible and invisible and shapeshift and Thor and MM know nothing about his weakness to fire.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    inthegray wrote:
    2 Rogue: Hard choice on this one, but I don't see the bottom two taking her
    AND
    4 Shade: Shield in his face


    WRONG FUCKING WRONG GOD DAMNIT

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    inthegray wrote:
    2 Rogue: Hard choice on this one, but I don't see the bottom two taking her
    AND
    4 Shade: Shield in his face


    WRONG FUCKING WRONG GOD DAMNIT

    Spectre, I don't say much around here, but lighten the fuck up.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I am all chipper and stuff.

    It's just that saying Shade loses because he gets a shield in the face is dumb.

    I don't nearly take this whole thing as seriously as you all think, and if I offend you all from time to time, I'm truly deeply sorry for that.

    But come on.

    That is just a retarded thing to say about Shade.

    Come ooooon.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Dude

    It's a possible outcome.

    I'm going with a far cry underdog outcome, but it's still freakin feasible.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Yes but it is totally not because Shade is not going to let any projectiles like that get near him.

    And nobody would be able to see him anyway.

    Gosh, Munkus.

    Gosh.

    Also, Hulk is not able to beat the Martian Manhunter in a purely physical way and the fact that a small part of the arena is flammable is not a very good reason for J'onn to lose, thank you.

    He has been on fire several times with the weakness in full effect. Once in Tower of Babel, for instance, and once in the Heaven on Earth storyline.

    You would really need a lot of fire to put him out of commission, or he'll just move away from it.

    And none of the contestants know about his fire weakness.

    Come ooooooon.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Dude

    He's been a villain

    Got taken out all up ins

    All up ins

    And according to Stan Lee, hulk strongest there is.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I am all chipper and stuff.

    It's just that saying Shade loses because he gets a shield in the face is dumb.

    I don't nearly take this whole thing as seriously as you all think, and if I offend you all from time to time, I'm truly deeply sorry for that.

    But come on.

    That is just a retarded thing to say about Shade.

    Come ooooon.

    You are just very spirited and defend your picks tooth and nail. It's just that your picks tend to piss some people off. Not because they're bad, but because, for the most part, you're right. Some people just get ticked by the over-poweredness of some of these heroes. Honestly, how DC made it this far with 50 different versions of Superman is simply beyond me.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Dude

    He's been a villain

    Got taken out all up ins

    All up ins
    Villainy was just for laughs for him, though. He was never actually beaten except for when he felt like it. He could've killed Jay Garrick at any time, but I think the fact that he saved Jay's life and became friends with him (even as they continued fighting in the streets) shows that that simply wasn't something he was interested in.

    Dr. Doom's a villain too, you know. Dose that make him some kind of pussy too?

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Sentry wrote:
    Honestly, how DC made it this far with 50 different versions of Superman is simply beyond me.

    50?

    I thought you stomped off after Cap and Supes won. :shock:

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Sentry wrote:
    Honestly, how DC made it this far with 50 different versions of Superman is simply beyond me.

    50?

    I thought you stomped off after Cap and Supes won. :shock:

    Go back and read my post. I never stomped. Save your dick-waving for the Silver Age superheroes...

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Sentry wrote:
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Sentry wrote:
    Honestly, how DC made it this far with 50 different versions of Superman is simply beyond me.

    50?

    I thought you stomped off after Cap and Supes won. :shock:

    Go back and read my post. I never stomped. Save your dick-waving for the Silver Age superheroes...

    Arms crossed and chin up / away from the tournament?

    Actually I prefer golden age ones, well, some.

    Now Im stomping!

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    You guys know Namor isn't Aquaman, right? That he's spent his entire life fighting outside of water? That he spent his early days fighting a robot made of fire in mid-air? THAT HE CAN FLY?

    He doesn't need water. He'd lose all the time if he did, because most people aren't stupid or water-breathing enough to fight Namor in the water.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    You guys know Namor isn't Aquaman, right? That he's spent his entire life fighting outside of water? That he spent his early days fighting a robot made of fire in mid-air? THAT HE CAN FLY?

    He doesn't need water. He'd lose all the time if he did, because most people aren't stupid or water-breathing enough to fight Namor in the water.

    Is that what his little baby wings are for? I was always curious.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    You guys know Namor isn't Aquaman, right? That he's spent his entire life fighting outside of water? That he spent his early days fighting a robot made of fire in mid-air? THAT HE CAN FLY?

    He doesn't need water. He'd lose all the time if he did, because most people aren't stupid or water-breathing enough to fight Namor in the water.

    Is that what his little baby wings are for? I was always curious.
    Yeah, according to wiki. Even if they don't flap, the power to fly is tied to them.

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