Oh I'll agree they're absolutely instrumental unless you have a tank.
But that doesn't change the fact that most of the time they're ineffectual.
smokers are even less effective
boomers and smokers require very good placement and timing. otherwise, they only really shine during finales, when you can seperate and isolate one or more survivors from the last stand location.
Woah, a good boomer ambush coupled with all the other infected working together can incapacitate someone a few seconds into the map.
Also, I'm calling Zombie Bullshit. I was standing on Zoey, in the middle of the group, explode, and louis is the only one that's purple. It was in that one area right after the lift, the roof.
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Oh I'll agree they're absolutely instrumental unless you have a tank.
But that doesn't change the fact that most of the time they're ineffectual.
smokers are even less effective
boomers and smokers require very good placement and timing. otherwise, they only really shine during finales, when you can seperate and isolate one or more survivors from the last stand location.
Woah, a good boomer ambush coupled with all the other infected working together can incapacitate someone a few seconds into the map.
In one of the later No Mercy levels, I jumped down onto the survivors as a boomer just as they were leaving the safe room and called a horde. A smoker snagged someone else and a hunter got another person. I can't remember if we succeeded at all. I'm guessing no, but it was pretty close.
Oh I'll agree they're absolutely instrumental unless you have a tank.
But that doesn't change the fact that most of the time they're ineffectual.
smokers are even less effective
boomers and smokers require very good placement and timing. otherwise, they only really shine during finales, when you can seperate and isolate one or more survivors from the last stand location.
Woah, a good boomer ambush coupled with all the other infected working together can incapacitate someone a few seconds into the map.
generally the first attack (at best) will force the survivors to use at least some of their medpacks. In games where the players are decent, that's what happens.
I haven't played yet where the survivors are completely awful and terrible, since I don't pub
I would go so far as to say that other than the tank the boomer is the most important infected. Without hordes of zombies causing chaos and creating distractions the other infected can't really do much alone.
Boomers are very effective, I bile at least one person 9/10 times with the suicide. They are the backbone of the team, you just have to be in the right position. Go ahead of or above the survivors, spawn as close as you possibly can, and immediately rush out(and don't waste too much time spawning, the other infected are waiting on you). Also, more often than not you should forget about puking and just jump into the middle of them and explode. You'll get more of them that way and there's much less chance of them killing you out of range. I only puke if I know I can hit them from where they can't see me. The range on puke is a little longer but it's totally canceled out by the time it takes to wind up.
Boomers are very effective, I bile at least one person 9/10 times with the suicide. They are the backbone of the team, you just have to be in the right position. Go ahead of or above the survivors, spawn as close as you possibly can, and immediately rush out(and don't waste too much time spawning, the other infected are waiting on you). Also, more often than not you should forget about puking and just jump into the middle of them and explode. You'll get more of them that way and there's much less chance of them killing you out of range. I only puke if I know I can hit them from where they can't see me. The range on puke is a little longer but it's totally canceled out by the time it takes to wind up.
Kinda delicate point. Boomers are the best infected bar the tank. They are also frequently 'successful' - as in, they impact upon the survivors. But PA players are generally pretty good and it's often the case that they successfully counter the entire horde whilst taking but one or two hits.
That's what I meant.
Also, yes to dedicated vs. server.
Also.... bugger, what was I going to say.
Um. Oh yes.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
Boomers are very effective, I bile at least one person 9/10 times with the suicide. They are the backbone of the team, you just have to be in the right position. Go ahead of or above the survivors, spawn as close as you possibly can, and immediately rush out(and don't waste too much time spawning, the other infected are waiting on you). Also, more often than not you should forget about puking and just jump into the middle of them and explode. You'll get more of them that way and there's much less chance of them killing you out of range. I only puke if I know I can hit them from where they can't see me. The range on puke is a little longer but it's totally canceled out by the time it takes to wind up.
get a microphone
I doubt loud screaming and cursing would be appreciated within the gulag.
Boomers are very effective, I bile at least one person 9/10 times with the suicide. They are the backbone of the team, you just have to be in the right position. Go ahead of or above the survivors, spawn as close as you possibly can, and immediately rush out(and don't waste too much time spawning, the other infected are waiting on you). Also, more often than not you should forget about puking and just jump into the middle of them and explode. You'll get more of them that way and there's much less chance of them killing you out of range. I only puke if I know I can hit them from where they can't see me. The range on puke is a little longer but it's totally canceled out by the time it takes to wind up.
Yeah I don't bother puking until I feel like I could hit them if they blew me up.
I only puke if they seem very preoccupied with something else.
Sometimes I'll get in really close and start clawing them up.
Speaking of clawing, how much damage does the hunter claw do? It seems like it would be more effective to claw and jump away, rather than pounce someone for half a second and get your head blown off.
Kinda delicate point. Boomers are the best infected bar the tank. They are also frequently 'successful' - as in, they impact upon the survivors. But PA players are generally pretty good and it's often the case that they successfully counter the entire horde whilst taking but one or two hits.
That's what I meant.
Also, yes to dedicated vs. server.
Also.... bugger, what was I going to say.
Um. Oh yes.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
I know you know, but the weak zombies are key to pouncing or being able to tongue easily. It's pretty rare to see a team fall with no normal zombies nearby distracting them, hence the boomer being the key infected.
Kinda delicate point. Boomers are the best infected bar the tank. They are also frequently 'successful' - as in, they impact upon the survivors. But PA players are generally pretty good and it's often the case that they successfully counter the entire horde whilst taking but one or two hits.
That's what I meant.
Also, yes to dedicated vs. server.
Also.... bugger, what was I going to say.
Um. Oh yes.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
Boomers don't do much on their own, but they're the same as Smokers/Hunters in that regard. What they are is the key to begin the combo assault. It's much much easier to catch somebody when his teammates are in the middle of a zombie horde, especially when they're still blind. People who are blinded by bile can barely even tell their teammates are getting hit.
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Basically every single infected class needs the other's help in order to be effective.
Even the tank needs the support of its other team members in order to make the most effective attack. The other day I spawned as a tank and everyone was scattering around me, avoiding my attacks. While I'm running around chasing after the survivors I see the silhouettes of unspawned infected running around doing nothing. Help me, assholes!
Kinda delicate point. Boomers are the best infected bar the tank. They are also frequently 'successful' - as in, they impact upon the survivors. But PA players are generally pretty good and it's often the case that they successfully counter the entire horde whilst taking but one or two hits.
That's what I meant.
Also, yes to dedicated vs. server.
Also.... bugger, what was I going to say.
Um. Oh yes.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
Boomers don't do much on their own, but they're the same as Smokers/Hunters in that regard. What they are is the key to begin the combo assault. It's much much easier to catch somebody when his teammates are in the middle of a zombie horde, especially when they're still blind. People who are blinded by bile can barely even tell their teammates are getting hit.
Yeah, once they're blinded it takes someone shouting over voice chat to realize their teammates are getting mauled. I jumped on a guy right after the survivor next to him got vomited on, and he proceeded to run right past me and into another room. This is especially true in the first few seconds of almost complete blindness.
Basically every single infected class needs the other's help in order to be effective.
Even the tank needs the support of its other team members in order to make the most effective attack. The other day I spawned as a tank and everyone was scattering around me, avoiding my attacks. While I'm running around chasing after the survivors I see the silhouettes of unspawned infected running around doing nothing. Help me, assholes!
Yep. We were out in an open area, forgot which campaign, but some dick spawned as the tank. no problem, it's open space, we have auto shotties. then two of us backed into a boomer and well, we all died.
Also, people, when you spawn as tank, make sure you don't kill your fellow zombie friends. Because you can. It happens quite a bit. If a hunter or smoker is on one of the survivors, just ignore him and go onto the other dudes, please.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
You know what, I had thought about that after an unsuccessful pounce lead to me clawing into the group. Probably did a bit more damage than if i had been successful, though I never experimented further.
Can you move while in the middle of a claw attack?
Boomers don't do much on their own, but they're the same as Smokers/Hunters in that regard. What they are is the key to begin the combo assault. It's much much easier to catch somebody when his teammates are in the middle of a zombie horde, especially when they're still blind. People who are blinded by bile can barely even tell their teammates are getting hit.
Yeah, once they're blinded it takes someone shouting over voice chat to realize their teammates are getting mauled. I jumped on a guy right after the survivor next to him got vomited on, and he proceeded to run right past me and into another room. This is especially true in the first few seconds of almost complete blindness.
I'm pretty sure even their friend and enemy silhouettes are turned off during blindness, even after the screen has mostly cleared.
Wow. So I picked it up today for 360 (my PC's a sad panda for many reasons), and I have to say it was a defining moment - a moment when I knew the game was worth it - when, playing single player with AI during the finale to Death Toll I had made it to the boat along with 3 others; one of the survivors was out there surrounded, so I put my brave pants on and went to save him; he ends up incapped and I finally clear the horde... and then a tank wrecks me; I die when I was feet from the boat because I felt it was my duty to save an AI survivor. The best thing about it, though, was that I laughed for like 30 seconds after dying, rather than being frustrated. Awesome!
I loooove being the Boomer on the Finale of No Mercy. If you can beat the survivors to the top ladder you can sit, vomit on all four of them while your smoker chokes ones from the lower level and your hunters jump them if they come up the ladder.
Also, I think one of the biggest roles you have as a Smoker is slowing down the other team to give your guys more respawn time. I've finally managed to get Aegeri playing versus and during No Mercy at the petrol station after they triggered the lift and were running across the roof to get to the window I managed to pull one of them off the pipe and was choking them. They shot me, breaking the choke and the survivor fell down to the ground and they had to stop where they were, go back and support him. Then I did it again, so they spent about 5 minutes there until we killed them while they were trying to get the second person.
Aegeri did the same thing inside the hospital in that big lobby area and dragged one from there all the way across the floor while they had to stop and backtrack.
so i just finally had 3 friends on all at once. um, this is what versus mode is all about. some of the idiots i've been playing with dont understand that mics should be used for coordinating attacks, not talking about homework and movies...
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I just love being Boomer all the time. As someone else said, he's the key and start of the infected team gangbang. I like Smoker just for the challenge. Just wait until everyone is in panic and pick someone off at max distance preferably. The best is when you pull someone and a horde of zombies comes up and wails on them.
I think they should remove the ability to shoot the Smoker's tongue, that's way too easy. You should have to either melee the victim or kill the smoker. Other than that he's fantastic at opportunistic grabs, it's just even more important that the team be preoccupied with zombies because he doesn't do much damage on his own. It's especially devastating when you pull somebody down to the ground floor away from his team in certain areas, like the lift in No Mercy.
so i just finally had 3 friends on all at once. um, this is what versus mode is all about. some of the idiots i've been playing with dont understand that mics should be used for coordinating attacks, not talking about homework and movies...
I didn't read your post but you have the best sig picture ever.
Man, why is "SSMan's Dedicated Versus Server" on normal campaign?
Currently there is a bug where difficulty and maybe game mode can be reset. I think it happens at the end of a versus game.
I suspect when you finish a versus campaign and are dumped back into the lobby and DON'T start another versus campaign the server defaults back to coop.
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Man, the best tactics are the ones that should seem obvious
Like, if there are 4 dudes, and 2 are bile'd, and you're a smoker, find the bile'd guy with the biggest horde on him, and tongue 'em. Normally a horde isnt scary because, yknow, rightclick. When he cant rightclick, he dies so much faster.
I think they should remove the ability to shoot the Smoker's tongue, that's way too easy. You should have to either melee the victim or kill the smoker. Other than that he's fantastic at opportunistic grabs, it's just even more important that the team be preoccupied with zombies because he doesn't do much damage on his own. It's especially devastating when you pull somebody down to the ground floor away from his team in certain areas, like the lift in No Mercy.
It blows me away they people still don't realise they you can melee to get rid of smoker tongues. I mean it tells you how to do it when you first start playing, but people just stand there shooting the edge of the roof while you choke.
Man, the best tactics are the ones that should seem obvious
Like, if there are 4 dudes, and 2 are bile'd, and you're a smoker, find the bile'd guy with the biggest horde on him, and tongue 'em. Normally a horde isnt scary because, yknow, rightclick. When he cant rightclick, he dies so much faster.
Yeah, but his teammates who aren't blind can easily save him. Better to focus on the remaining ones while the biled survivors are distracted IMHO. You shouldn't focus on one person too much, you're probably not going to kill him while the others are safe and even if he runs out of meds the others can still heal him.
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and Zek needs a microphooooooooone. I still haven't heard him justifying why he hasn't gotten one.
Woah, a good boomer ambush coupled with all the other infected working together can incapacitate someone a few seconds into the map.
oh god I am not good at battlefield
In one of the later No Mercy levels, I jumped down onto the survivors as a boomer just as they were leaving the safe room and called a horde. A smoker snagged someone else and a hunter got another person. I can't remember if we succeeded at all. I'm guessing no, but it was pretty close.
generally the first attack (at best) will force the survivors to use at least some of their medpacks. In games where the players are decent, that's what happens.
I haven't played yet where the survivors are completely awful and terrible, since I don't pub
get a microphone
Kinda delicate point. Boomers are the best infected bar the tank. They are also frequently 'successful' - as in, they impact upon the survivors. But PA players are generally pretty good and it's often the case that they successfully counter the entire horde whilst taking but one or two hits.
That's what I meant.
Also, yes to dedicated vs. server.
Also.... bugger, what was I going to say.
Um. Oh yes.
Hunters! In vs, you'd be surprised how often your best bet is to simply run up and claw. You make zero noise, you're fast as fuck, and you do 10 damage - and you can often get two hits in. Frankly the only reason to pounce is to disorientate, distract or seperate/pin. I'm already doing much more damage using claw than pounce, and the survivors rarely see it coming because you have ninja-like stealth when un-crouched.
It's because I'm in a dorm until May and don't like annoying my roommates. Also I am ashamed to be associated with any of you.
I doubt loud screaming and cursing would be appreciated within the gulag.
because then I would get to play
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Yeah I don't bother puking until I feel like I could hit them if they blew me up.
I only puke if they seem very preoccupied with something else.
Sometimes I'll get in really close and start clawing them up.
I know you know, but the weak zombies are key to pouncing or being able to tongue easily. It's pretty rare to see a team fall with no normal zombies nearby distracting them, hence the boomer being the key infected.
Boomers don't do much on their own, but they're the same as Smokers/Hunters in that regard. What they are is the key to begin the combo assault. It's much much easier to catch somebody when his teammates are in the middle of a zombie horde, especially when they're still blind. People who are blinded by bile can barely even tell their teammates are getting hit.
Even the tank needs the support of its other team members in order to make the most effective attack. The other day I spawned as a tank and everyone was scattering around me, avoiding my attacks. While I'm running around chasing after the survivors I see the silhouettes of unspawned infected running around doing nothing. Help me, assholes!
Yeah, once they're blinded it takes someone shouting over voice chat to realize their teammates are getting mauled. I jumped on a guy right after the survivor next to him got vomited on, and he proceeded to run right past me and into another room. This is especially true in the first few seconds of almost complete blindness.
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Yep. We were out in an open area, forgot which campaign, but some dick spawned as the tank. no problem, it's open space, we have auto shotties. then two of us backed into a boomer and well, we all died.
Also, people, when you spawn as tank, make sure you don't kill your fellow zombie friends. Because you can. It happens quite a bit. If a hunter or smoker is on one of the survivors, just ignore him and go onto the other dudes, please.
You know what, I had thought about that after an unsuccessful pounce lead to me clawing into the group. Probably did a bit more damage than if i had been successful, though I never experimented further.
Can you move while in the middle of a claw attack?
I'm pretty sure even their friend and enemy silhouettes are turned off during blindness, even after the screen has mostly cleared.
Why isn't that fatty playing L4D?
he said he wasn't interested in it or something. I don't know I wasn't really paying attention when he told me.
oh god I am not good at battlefield
Also, I think one of the biggest roles you have as a Smoker is slowing down the other team to give your guys more respawn time. I've finally managed to get Aegeri playing versus and during No Mercy at the petrol station after they triggered the lift and were running across the roof to get to the window I managed to pull one of them off the pipe and was choking them. They shot me, breaking the choke and the survivor fell down to the ground and they had to stop where they were, go back and support him. Then I did it again, so they spent about 5 minutes there until we killed them while they were trying to get the second person.
Aegeri did the same thing inside the hospital in that big lobby area and dragged one from there all the way across the floor while they had to stop and backtrack.
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I didn't read your post but you have the best sig picture ever.
Currently there is a bug where difficulty and maybe game mode can be reset. I think it happens at the end of a versus game.
I suspect when you finish a versus campaign and are dumped back into the lobby and DON'T start another versus campaign the server defaults back to coop.
Tofu wrote: Here be Littleboots, destroyer of threads and master of drunkposting.
Like, if there are 4 dudes, and 2 are bile'd, and you're a smoker, find the bile'd guy with the biggest horde on him, and tongue 'em. Normally a horde isnt scary because, yknow, rightclick. When he cant rightclick, he dies so much faster.
It blows me away they people still don't realise they you can melee to get rid of smoker tongues. I mean it tells you how to do it when you first start playing, but people just stand there shooting the edge of the roof while you choke.
Yeah, but his teammates who aren't blind can easily save him. Better to focus on the remaining ones while the biled survivors are distracted IMHO. You shouldn't focus on one person too much, you're probably not going to kill him while the others are safe and even if he runs out of meds the others can still heal him.