If Diablo 3 can have rainbows why can't Fallout 3? Talk about brown-o-mania laffo!
I'm sure some people appreciate the bleak atmosphere. I didn't. Hey look, opinions!
Then why were you playing Fallout? That's what the atmosphere is. Oh, sure, some people try to make the most of it, but between the Raiders and Slavers and mutants and general fuckers of the Wastes, it is a depressing, terrible place. Except for Oasis.
Wasn't there a rainbow in the back part of the Oasis with pond? I could of sworn there was a rainbow there..
So apparently you can get the unique items worn by NPC's like Vance's longcoat or 3dog's headband without killing them. You just have to give them (via pickpocket) armor with a higher dr and the next time you enter the area they'll have changed into that armor so you can now pickpocket the other off of them.
So apparently you can get the unique items worn by NPC's like Vance's longcoat or 3dog's headband without killing them. You just have to give them (via pickpocket) armor with a higher dr and the next time you enter the area they'll have changed into that armor so you can now pickpocket the other off of them.
Alternatively you can shoot Vance in the face for being a gangbanger bastard who terrorised Arefu for no good reason, and you can also shoot Three Dog for being a righteous tool who thinks it's funny to withhold information from someone who just killed a Super Mutant Behemoth.
i came back from the supermutant gambit to find a giant radscorpion limping out of town
i finished him off and the streets of canterbury are paved with legless corpses, the only person left is that kid, just drinking milk on top of his dad's dead body
and now i am OVERBURDENED and i can't sell all this stuff, so i guess it is time to move veeerrrryy slooooowwwllly back to the nearest merchant
I just finished up all the business in Andale. That shed freaked me the fuck out, and when I went outside, holy shit. I may be going through as Jesus incarnate this time around, but damned if I'm not going to give them all a nice critical headshot in VATS with my combat shotgun.
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BarcardiAll the WizardsUnder A Rock: AfganistanRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
So random thing happened while i was playing today. I was just wandering around the wastes and in the middle of nowhere a wastelander/villager came running up, told me she had a bomb strapped to her and that i needed to help her, whereupon she proceeded to explode less than a second later.
So random thing happened while i was playing today. I was just wandering around the wastes and in the middle of nowhere a wastelander/villager came running up, told me she had a bomb strapped to her and that i needed to help her, whereupon she proceeded to explode less than a second later.
The hell was up with that?
Just some random thingy - you can disarm the bomb and make them happy!
When that happened to me, I tried disarming the bomb but it said I had failed and the guy went panicking away. So I pulled out my sniper rifle and put a lone bullet centre mass in his back as he was trying to run away. He fell down dead and exploded less than a second later.
In addition, it seems like the put in exactly 0 effort in improving the interface for the PC. The pip-boy mouse is too slow and can't be adjusted, which makes the already unhelpful interface even more clunky. Hey, I have a keyboard, why can't I just press keys to get quests, maps, inventory, etc? And maybe this is another realism annoyance, but having your inventory be a long monochromatic list of text items is just not very compelling.
Mouse sensitivity in the menus is tied to overall mouse sensitivity and is changeable in the settings. f1 opens status, f2 opens inventory, f3 opens quests. 1 - 8 are quick keys that you can load just abotu anything consumable or wearable into. There is plenty there for the keyboard interface, and if you don't like it you can plug in the 360 controller and get the full 360 interface.
So I've done nearly everything in the game. I have 1 more behemoth to kill and I'm looking for a few more named weapons like the burnmaster. I don't think I can play through all this again to earn the karma achievements. After you start to really collect everything, the game becomes REALLY easy.
Having said that, it's been a LONG time since I've found a game that will suck me in and keep me hooked for over 100 hours of playtime. They made a DAMN good game. I did feel the "good" options relied a little to heavily on speech successes, but overall I enjoyed the atmosphere and I actually liked the way the ending explained your karma choice.
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LasbrookIt takes a lot to make a stewWhen it comes to me and youRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Oh man, sometimes i love Oblivion's physics engine, either that or the Sniper Rifle is way better than previously indicated.
So i'm in Evergreen Mills tearin shit up when Dogmeat runs off like and idiot into some sort of electrified holding cage to attack a friggin BEHEMOTH. Dogmeat's almost dead and the behemoth is comin down for another punch so i pop into VATS and dump a couple of rounds into it's left arm causing it to fly back and land face first into the ground. So i reload and after it stands up i pop an Ultrajet, open VATS and lay one on it's right arm and head and as a result of the headshot the Behemoth flies up and OVER a 20ft fence.
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edited November 2008
In reply to whomever was complaining that unique weapons don't look unique, some folks are working on that. I just found a mod that alters the Terrible Shotgun slightly, and another that adds a paint job the the unique ripper. Fallout Nexus is not responding for me at the moment, so no linky, sorry.
Oh man, sometimes i love Oblivion's physics engine, either that or the Sniper Rifle is way better than previously indicated.
So i'm in Evergreen Mills tearin shit up when Dogmeat runs off like and idiot into some sort of electrified holding cage to attack a friggin BEHEMOTH. Dogmeat's almost dead and the behemoth is comin down for another punch so i pop into VATS and dump a couple of rounds into it's left arm causing it to fly back and land face first into the ground. So i reload and after it stands up i pop an Ultrajet, open VATS and lay one on it's right arm and head and as a result of the headshot the Behemoth flies up and OVER a 20ft fence.
I wish i had a video camera so hard right now.
When I killed that thing yesterday it had lunged at me over a small bump on the landscape geometry and I launched at rocket at it, knocking it miles into the air, but not dead. Then the mysterious stranger appears from heaven, drops down at 100mph and as soon as he comes level with the now ascending behemoth he unloads the shots into him in super slow mo.
I haven't high fived my flatmate so hard in a long time. That was definitely a FUCK YEAH moment.
I thought that the Family was actually really well done, so long as you keep in mind that it's not a stab at vampires, but rather emo losers who think they're vampires. They act all victimized, and claim that society doesn't understand them, so they band together, come up with some ritualized nonsense to rationalize their behavior and act all superior and misunderstood with "normal" people.
In fact, however, there isn't really any "society" that's rejecting them. They can romanticize it all they want, but they're really nothing more than cannibals and raiders trying, pathetically, to claim that they're special.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
What I don't get is why you get negative karma for wasting the whole lot of them.
I thought that the Family was actually really well done, so long as you keep in mind that it's not a stab at vampires, but rather emo losers who think they're vampires. They act all victimized, and claim that society doesn't understand them, so they band together, come up with some ritualized nonsense to rationalize their behavior and act all superior and misunderstood with "normal" people.
In fact, however, there isn't really any "society" that's rejecting them. They can romanticize it all they want, but they're really nothing more than cannibals and raiders trying, pathetically, to claim that they're special.
What? That's not how I interpreted the Family at all.
People in the Family (except maybe the gang's bike and Vance's wife) have some kind of mutation that drives them to kill and eat other human beings. You can develop this condition yourself, through a perk. Understandably, people who act like this have a tendency to be persecuted by larger society, because everybody else thinks that they're freaks. They themselves usually thinks that they're freaks, as well, for obvious reasons.
Vance, who is a mutant like the rest of them, tries to control his condition through drinking blood instead of eating flesh. He teaches the other members of the family to do this, as well, because it's apparently less damaging to their psyche to do so (nobody seems to want to be a cannibal, after all). It's also apparently good for them to be around other people with this condition, so they know that they're not alone in having it. Most of the Family admits that they know they aren't really vampires, but the illusion helps keep their unacceptable urges under control.
As far as being raiders goes, the attacks on Arefu seem to have been just a ruse to get to Ian, who they knew had killed his parents and was freaking out about it. They're more than happy to protect Arefu if they get blood packs in return - all you have to do is be civil to Vance, and I don't even think it requires a speech check. So, Arefu gets protected, the Family doesn't eat people anymore, you get good Karma and everybody's happy.
I thought the Blood Ties quest was mostly supposed to be about not jumping to conclusions. You start it out thinking that the Family is some creepy raider cult who kidnapped Ian for some evil purpose, and then starts brainwashing him, but what really happened was very different.
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CokomonOur butts are worth fighting for!Registered Userregular
edited November 2008
Also, there is a society that rejects them. The same society that rejects the ghouls and other nastiness of the wasteland. Look at the Enclave or Tennpenny Tower.
Edit: I did jump to conclusions and lost a lot of Karma taking all of Vance's stuff after he was dead.
Oh man, sometimes i love Oblivion's physics engine, either that or the Sniper Rifle is way better than previously indicated.
So i'm in Evergreen Mills tearin shit up when Dogmeat runs off like and idiot into some sort of electrified holding cage to attack a friggin BEHEMOTH. Dogmeat's almost dead and the behemoth is comin down for another punch so i pop into VATS and dump a couple of rounds into it's left arm causing it to fly back and land face first into the ground. So i reload and after it stands up i pop an Ultrajet, open VATS and lay one on it's right arm and head and as a result of the headshot the Behemoth flies up and OVER a 20ft fence.
I wish i had a video camera so hard right now.
When I killed that thing yesterday it had lunged at me over a small bump on the landscape geometry and I launched at rocket at it, knocking it miles into the air, but not dead. Then the mysterious stranger appears from heaven, drops down at 100mph and as soon as he comes level with the now ascending behemoth he unloads the shots into him in super slow mo.
I haven't high fived my flatmate so hard in a long time. That was definitely a FUCK YEAH moment.
If Diablo 3 can have rainbows why can't Fallout 3? Talk about brown-o-mania laffo!
I'm sure some people appreciate the bleak atmosphere. I didn't. Hey look, opinions!
Then why were you playing Fallout? That's what the atmosphere is. Oh, sure, some people try to make the most of it, but between the Raiders and Slavers and mutants and general fuckers of the Wastes, it is a depressing, terrible place. Except for Oasis.
Because atmosphere is not my only criterion for deciding which games to play?
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I'm having a weird issue with Charon. At some point he stopped using his shotgun, and now there's nothing I can do to get him to use it. He'll use guns I put in his inventory, but if there's nothing there he uses his knife. He's set on ranged mode so this shouldn't happen. I thought maybe that at some point he dropped his special shotgun and didn't pick it up, but I reverted to an old save an hour before this happened and the same thing, Charon only uses a knife. Has this happened to anyone else?
You walk slowly, everywhere, through brown-o-mania, to depressing music.
You obviously don't have it on the right radio channel.
The skill cap system is just brutally unhelpful, letting you take perks that do absolutely nothing to a skill, and not giving you any warning. And rewarding people who max out a skill by making books, items and perks that increase the skill entirely useless.
The game fucking tells you that.
Also I decided to level speech as my main non-combat skill and it screwed me over hardcore. I think I had 6 successes during the entire game. I wish I had just ignored it.
You must just suck at this game. I have had plenty of speech successes and the vast majority of the stuff that requires speech will give you an extremely high success chance at 70 or 80.
If Diablo 3 can have rainbows why can't Fallout 3? Talk about brown-o-mania laffo!
I'm sure some people appreciate the bleak atmosphere. I didn't. Hey look, opinions!
Then why were you playing Fallout? That's what the atmosphere is. Oh, sure, some people try to make the most of it, but between the Raiders and Slavers and mutants and general fuckers of the Wastes, it is a depressing, terrible place. Except for Oasis.
Because atmosphere is not my only criterion for deciding which games to play?
But if you're playing a game that is very much defined by wandering through the bleak wastes of a post-apocalyptic world, complaining that the game has you wandering through the bleak wastes of a post-apocalyptic world seems sort of "then why did you play the game in the first place if this is an issue for you," you know? It's not as if the game's content and setting were some great big secret.
What I don't get is why you get negative karma for wasting the whole lot of them.
Probably because you can bring them to a peaceful solution instead of just killing them. You can get them to stop drinking people's blood and drink blood packs instead, and set up trade between them and Arefu, where they get blood packs and Arefu gets the Family's protection.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
Also I decided to level speech as my main non-combat skill and it screwed me over hardcore. I think I had 6 successes during the entire game. I wish I had just ignored it.
You must just suck at this game. I have had plenty of speech successes and the vast majority of the stuff that requires speech will give you an extremely high success chance at 70 or 80.
I would also like to say that saving and reloading can also help speeches greatly if you're having that much trouble with them.
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
They could've been really disturbing and stuff but instead it was a bunch of vampire faggotry from some faggot named Vance in a fucking trenchcoat
compare that to Andale or Dunwich, which are actually disturbing
Soo....
about andale....
I have the "cannibal" perk
When they caught me in the shed and asked me "what are you doing" I had a "Cannibal" dialouge option along the lines of "O hai guys just grabben a snack" and after that the people in Andale treat me like one of their own.
What I don't get is why you get negative karma for wasting the whole lot of them.
Probably because you can bring them to a peaceful solution instead of just killing them. You can get them to stop drinking people's blood and drink blood packs instead, and set up trade between them and Arefu, where they get blood packs and Arefu gets the Family's protection.
Not to mention they don't really do anything evil.
They could've been really disturbing and stuff but instead it was a bunch of vampire faggotry from some faggot named Vance in a fucking trenchcoat
compare that to Andale or Dunwich, which are actually disturbing
Soo....
about andale....
I have the "cannibal" perk
When they caught me in the shed and asked me "what are you doing" I had a "Cannibal" dialouge option along the lines of "O hai guys just grabben a snack" and after that the people in Andale treat me like one of their own.
You can get free meat pies.
The whole thing made me think of Sweeney Todd.
LOVETT:
It's priest. Have a little priest.
TODD:
Is it really good?
LOVETT:
Sir, it's too good, at least!
Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh,
So it's pretty fresh.
TODD:
Awful lot of fat.
LOVETT:
Only where it sat.
TODD:
Haven't you got poet, or something like that?
LOVETT:
No, y'see, the trouble with poet is
'Ow do you know it's deceased?
Try the priest!
TODD: (spoken) Heavenly!
Not as hearty as bishop, perhaps,
but then again, not as bland as curate, either!
LOVETT:
And good for business, too -- always leaves you wantin' more!
Trouble is, we only get it on Sundays!
Lawyer's rather nice.
TODD:
If it's for a price.
LOVETT:
Order something else, though, to follow,
Since no one should swallow it twice!
TODD:
Anything that's lean.
LOVETT:
Well, then, if you're British and loyal,
You might enjoy Royal Marine!
Anyway, it's clean.
Though of course, it tastes of wherever it's been!
TODD:
Is that squire,
On the fire?
LOVETT:
Mercy no, sir, look closer,
You'll notice it's grocer!
TODD:
Looks thicker,
More like vicar!
LOVETT:
No, it has to be grocer --
It's green!
Any idea how many more of those speech options there are?
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Man I got to say I have some mixed reaction to this game
I mean it's a good enough game I have played it for 100 crack like hours
and it's got so much side content a person couldn't really ask for more
the side stuff is great if a little light on full resolves
but the actual quest so far has ran on weird rails
my hugest complaint being:
(this is a REAL spoiler btw so don't read it if you don't want some spoilin)
The constant use of radiation as a plot device when you have anti-radiation armor, anti radiation drugs, anti-radiation drugs, and three followers who are immune to radiation.
Oh, you're locked in a reactor? Hold on LET ME SEND MY GHOUL SLAVE IN TO GET YOU HE COULD USE THE BUFF o wait no LET ME SEND MY SUPER MUTANT IN TO GET YOU but wait it can't be in your party yet HOW BOUT MY ROBOT oh no I don't have neutral karma WELL LETS JUST PUT ON THIS RADSUIT/BROTHERHOOD ARMOR/ENCLAVE ARMOR and pop a little RAD-X no?
Any idea how many more of those speech options there are?
I had a LOT of "Charisma" and "intelligence" ones and a few "Karma" ones
I took black widow, and while worth it for the damage bonus I suppose, it has only come into play about three times in conversation and one time it seemed to glitch the quest in question.
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I never asked for this!
Alternatively you can shoot Vance in the face for being a gangbanger bastard who terrorised Arefu for no good reason, and you can also shoot Three Dog for being a righteous tool who thinks it's funny to withhold information from someone who just killed a Super Mutant Behemoth.
I waited until he went home and then just murdered all of them
fucking vampires and cannibals
no, f5
They could've been really disturbing and stuff but instead it was a bunch of vampire faggotry from some faggot named Vance in a fucking trenchcoat
compare that to Andale or Dunwich, which are actually disturbing
that was my first surreal place to stumble upon in fallout 3
Andale was horrible.
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So..umm.. did you even play oblivion and/or expect anything different?
i finished him off and the streets of canterbury are paved with legless corpses, the only person left is that kid, just drinking milk on top of his dad's dead body
and now i am OVERBURDENED and i can't sell all this stuff, so i guess it is time to move veeerrrryy slooooowwwllly back to the nearest merchant
I just finished up all the business in Andale. That shed freaked me the fuck out, and when I went outside, holy shit. I may be going through as Jesus incarnate this time around, but damned if I'm not going to give them all a nice critical headshot in VATS with my combat shotgun.
The hell was up with that?
Just some random thingy - you can disarm the bomb and make them happy!
When that happened to me, I tried disarming the bomb but it said I had failed and the guy went panicking away. So I pulled out my sniper rifle and put a lone bullet centre mass in his back as he was trying to run away. He fell down dead and exploded less than a second later.
Mouse sensitivity in the menus is tied to overall mouse sensitivity and is changeable in the settings. f1 opens status, f2 opens inventory, f3 opens quests. 1 - 8 are quick keys that you can load just abotu anything consumable or wearable into. There is plenty there for the keyboard interface, and if you don't like it you can plug in the 360 controller and get the full 360 interface.
Having said that, it's been a LONG time since I've found a game that will suck me in and keep me hooked for over 100 hours of playtime. They made a DAMN good game. I did feel the "good" options relied a little to heavily on speech successes, but overall I enjoyed the atmosphere and I actually liked the way the ending explained your karma choice.
So i'm in Evergreen Mills tearin shit up when Dogmeat runs off like and idiot into some sort of electrified holding cage to attack a friggin BEHEMOTH. Dogmeat's almost dead and the behemoth is comin down for another punch so i pop into VATS and dump a couple of rounds into it's left arm causing it to fly back and land face first into the ground. So i reload and after it stands up i pop an Ultrajet, open VATS and lay one on it's right arm and head and as a result of the headshot the Behemoth flies up and OVER a 20ft fence.
I wish i had a video camera so hard right now.
Steam
there's a mod that addresses this very issue, i'd link but the nexus is down at the moment, but i think they've only done the unique ripper so far.
When I killed that thing yesterday it had lunged at me over a small bump on the landscape geometry and I launched at rocket at it, knocking it miles into the air, but not dead. Then the mysterious stranger appears from heaven, drops down at 100mph and as soon as he comes level with the now ascending behemoth he unloads the shots into him in super slow mo.
I haven't high fived my flatmate so hard in a long time. That was definitely a FUCK YEAH moment.
wasn't the whole family thing a reference to that 80's vampire movie starting Lance Hendrickson and two other people from aliens?
In fact, however, there isn't really any "society" that's rejecting them. They can romanticize it all they want, but they're really nothing more than cannibals and raiders trying, pathetically, to claim that they're special.
Vance, who is a mutant like the rest of them, tries to control his condition through drinking blood instead of eating flesh. He teaches the other members of the family to do this, as well, because it's apparently less damaging to their psyche to do so (nobody seems to want to be a cannibal, after all). It's also apparently good for them to be around other people with this condition, so they know that they're not alone in having it. Most of the Family admits that they know they aren't really vampires, but the illusion helps keep their unacceptable urges under control.
As far as being raiders goes, the attacks on Arefu seem to have been just a ruse to get to Ian, who they knew had killed his parents and was freaking out about it. They're more than happy to protect Arefu if they get blood packs in return - all you have to do is be civil to Vance, and I don't even think it requires a speech check. So, Arefu gets protected, the Family doesn't eat people anymore, you get good Karma and everybody's happy.
I thought the Blood Ties quest was mostly supposed to be about not jumping to conclusions. You start it out thinking that the Family is some creepy raider cult who kidnapped Ian for some evil purpose, and then starts brainwashing him, but what really happened was very different.
Edit: I did jump to conclusions and lost a lot of Karma taking all of Vance's stuff after he was dead.
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Because atmosphere is not my only criterion for deciding which games to play?
You must just suck at this game. I have had plenty of speech successes and the vast majority of the stuff that requires speech will give you an extremely high success chance at 70 or 80.
I would also like to say that saving and reloading can also help speeches greatly if you're having that much trouble with them.
Soo....
about andale....
When they caught me in the shed and asked me "what are you doing" I had a "Cannibal" dialouge option along the lines of "O hai guys just grabben a snack" and after that the people in Andale treat me like one of their own.
I host a podcast about movies.
I never asked for this!
LOVETT:
It's priest. Have a little priest.
TODD:
Is it really good?
LOVETT:
Sir, it's too good, at least!
Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh,
So it's pretty fresh.
TODD:
Awful lot of fat.
LOVETT:
Only where it sat.
TODD:
Haven't you got poet, or something like that?
LOVETT:
No, y'see, the trouble with poet is
'Ow do you know it's deceased?
Try the priest!
TODD: (spoken) Heavenly!
Not as hearty as bishop, perhaps,
but then again, not as bland as curate, either!
LOVETT:
And good for business, too -- always leaves you wantin' more!
Trouble is, we only get it on Sundays!
Lawyer's rather nice.
TODD:
If it's for a price.
LOVETT:
Order something else, though, to follow,
Since no one should swallow it twice!
TODD:
Anything that's lean.
LOVETT:
Well, then, if you're British and loyal,
You might enjoy Royal Marine!
Anyway, it's clean.
Though of course, it tastes of wherever it's been!
TODD:
Is that squire,
On the fire?
LOVETT:
Mercy no, sir, look closer,
You'll notice it's grocer!
TODD:
Looks thicker,
More like vicar!
LOVETT:
No, it has to be grocer --
It's green!
I mean it's a good enough game I have played it for 100 crack like hours
and it's got so much side content a person couldn't really ask for more
the side stuff is great if a little light on full resolves
but the actual quest so far has ran on weird rails
my hugest complaint being:
(this is a REAL spoiler btw so don't read it if you don't want some spoilin)
Oh, you're locked in a reactor? Hold on LET ME SEND MY GHOUL SLAVE IN TO GET YOU HE COULD USE THE BUFF o wait no LET ME SEND MY SUPER MUTANT IN TO GET YOU but wait it can't be in your party yet HOW BOUT MY ROBOT oh no I don't have neutral karma WELL LETS JUST PUT ON THIS RADSUIT/BROTHERHOOD ARMOR/ENCLAVE ARMOR and pop a little RAD-X no?
Jesus what the fuck?
I host a podcast about movies.
I had a LOT of "Charisma" and "intelligence" ones and a few "Karma" ones
I took black widow, and while worth it for the damage bonus I suppose, it has only come into play about three times in conversation and one time it seemed to glitch the quest in question.
I host a podcast about movies.