Djiem, being you're not a fan of home I demoted you to promote Aoi so he can shove arcade cabinets in the club.
And I agree with the above, it's a shoddy answer. It's also free though and I love dicking around with things that are free
And it's not an answer to XBL, at all. It's something completely different.
Well yes, it's painfully obvious that it's not any kind of answer to XBL, but that is how it was marketed to us for the last year, which is probably a major catalyst in our disappointment.
While I agree, "Yay, it's free, free is fun", I also agree with Tycho: Being free does not free you from the bonds of your own self hype, and it doesn't shield you from deserved criticism. Especially when this was the "big feature" promised to PS3 owners who were upset the XBox had a much cleaner, nicer (albeit not free) online experience.
Home simply lacks ..... purpose. Sure is pretty though.
Here is an idea. Why not make Little Big Planet Home. I can meet friends on it, make 'levels' into rooms (I'd hang out at a penny arcade stylized home room which is also a level), it could work as a portal to other games, post messages, etc. Also then going to it would have purpose. I could hang out and chat, or go explore a level.
Instead of some sterile no - point sad attempt at Snow Crash metaverse, we could get a game of the year contender uniquely stylized place to hang out. It would instantly blow away the competition.
If we're not in the club, can we still get in the clubhouse on invitation, or is the entire possibility of getting in member-only?
Oh, you're still in, it's just you can promote people so that they can add shit like furniture to the clubhouse and "Ok" other people's invites. But you can only have a certain number of "sub leaders". It's very restrictive and daft.
If you're in the clubhouse I THINK you can invite in a "non-member"
Djiem, being you're not a fan of home I demoted you to promote Aoi so he can shove arcade cabinets in the club.
And I agree with the above, it's a shoddy answer. It's also free though and I love dicking around with things that are free
And it's not an answer to XBL, at all. It's something completely different.
Well yes, it's painfully obvious that it's not any kind of answer to XBL, but that is how it was marketed to us for the last year, which is probably a major catalyst in our disappointment.
While I agree, "Yay, it's free, free is fun", I also agree with Tycho: Being free does not free you from the bonds of your own self hype, and it doesn't shield you from deserved criticism. Especially when this was the "big feature" promised to PS3 owners who were upset the XBox had a much cleaner, nicer (albeit not free) online experience.
But the PS3 does by and large have that online experience. The XMB offers the majority of XBL features. Home is something else entirely.
::edit:: Also AOI, how do you unlock everything in the Namco beta?
I don't own an XBox so this is a sincere question: what does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I mean in terms of UI / features, not technical stuff like "it's more stable".
And to be honest, I like the concept of Home. I'm jazzed by the possibilities and I hope it grows into something great. Like I said, if our clubhouse can replace a PS3 [Game On] thread, then I'm even happier. I hope there's a way to say "Friend everyone in this club" because that would prevent me from having to hand-enter forumers' PSN IDs.
Djiem, being you're not a fan of home I demoted you to promote Aoi so he can shove arcade cabinets in the club.
And I agree with the above, it's a shoddy answer. It's also free though and I love dicking around with things that are free
And it's not an answer to XBL, at all. It's something completely different.
Well yes, it's painfully obvious that it's not any kind of answer to XBL, but that is how it was marketed to us for the last year, which is probably a major catalyst in our disappointment.
While I agree, "Yay, it's free, free is fun", I also agree with Tycho: Being free does not free you from the bonds of your own self hype, and it doesn't shield you from deserved criticism. Especially when this was the "big feature" promised to PS3 owners who were upset the XBox had a much cleaner, nicer (albeit not free) online experience.
That's perspective. My experience with live was terrible, it was shitty, the 360 UI was hideous and the whole thing was not fun.
On the flipside the PS3 interface, which the 360 has ripped off, was always clean, fast and functional and the online has always worked. Whereas you pay for live and it still managed to go down or have inconsistent connection for an extended period I think at least twice this year.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Man, I should have known, even the slightest hint of negative opine towards the PS3 or any of it's features, and DarkWarrior shows up.
He's like the fucking candy man. Say something about the PS3 is disappointing 3 times in to a mirror and watch out.
Also, Live has ads, and PSN doesn't unless you go into the store. I'm paying for live, I shouldn't have ads pop in my face unless I actually want to shop for something.
Also, Live has ads, and PSN doesn't unless you go into the store. I'm paying for live, I shouldn't have ads pop in my face unless I actually want to shop for something.
Home has a FUCKLOAD of ads though. Like, everywhere. Every other object is an ad for DLC. And there is stuff to buy there too.
As for ads in Live, am I the only one who didn't really mind them? At worst, they were wasted UI space, they never popped in your face or required you to do anything about it.
It took me these forums to even notice the ads. I always saw it as some sort of newsletter (here's the new stuff available!).
I don't own an XBox so this is a sincere question: what does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I mean in terms of UI / features, not technical stuff like "it's more stable".
And to be honest, I like the concept of Home. I'm jazzed by the possibilities and I hope it grows into something great. Like I said, if our clubhouse can replace a PS3 [Game On] thread, then I'm even happier. I hope there's a way to say "Friend everyone in this club" because that would prevent me from having to hand-enter forumers' PSN IDs.
The main thing for me is the unified friends and invites system that works across all games and apps. You can send an invite to anyone no matter what they're doing and they can accept and join you. It creates one big community that's easy to get into.
All of the PSN stuff that's being added in these updates only works if the devs decide to support it. Trophies are finally becoming mandatory, and cross-game messaging is standard, but cross-game invites are not possible at all.
Also, Live has ads, and PSN doesn't unless you go into the store. I'm paying for live, I shouldn't have ads pop in my face unless I actually want to shop for something.
Home has a FUCKLOAD of ads though. Like, everywhere. Every other object is an ad for DLC. And there is stuff to buy there too.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of PSN vs. XBL. I should have clarified by using a quote or something. I can justify ads being in Home, at least. It seems like it would cost a bit at least.
I don't own an XBox so this is a sincere question: what does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I mean in terms of UI / features, not technical stuff like "it's more stable".
And to be honest, I like the concept of Home. I'm jazzed by the possibilities and I hope it grows into something great. Like I said, if our clubhouse can replace a PS3 [Game On] thread, then I'm even happier. I hope there's a way to say "Friend everyone in this club" because that would prevent me from having to hand-enter forumers' PSN IDs.
The main thing for me is the unified friends and invites system that works across all games and apps. You can send an invite to anyone no matter what they're doing and they can accept and join you. It creates one big community that's easy to get into.
All of the PSN stuff that's being added in these updates only works if the devs decide to support it. Trophies are finally becoming mandatory, and cross-game messaging is standard, but cross-game invites are not possible at all.
That goes for me, too, as well as the chat that's independent of games status. It's mainly that the Dashboard is interwoven through all games, whereas the XMB is categorically separated from them.
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Also, Live has ads, and PSN doesn't unless you go into the store. I'm paying for live, I shouldn't have ads pop in my face unless I actually want to shop for something.
Home has a FUCKLOAD of ads though. Like, everywhere. Every other object is an ad for DLC. And there is stuff to buy there too.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of PSN vs. XBL. I should have clarified by using a quote or something. I can justify ads being in Home, at least. It seems like it would cost a bit at least.
E: wow, shitty totp.
I don't mind the ads on XBL because (in the UK at least) they only tend to be FOR stuff on XBL. DLC, movies, whatever. Not just ads for anything.
The Xbox has a private chat system, which is sorely missed by me. But the reason I sold my 360 is because LITERALLY 50% of the time I had it was spent at Microsoft. (It red ringed 5 times.)
Ive had live for a bajillion years, and honestly I don't look at Live and Home in the same ways at all.
To me, XBox Live is simply an ISP-ish thing. Paying for XBox Live lets me stream movies, download content and play my games online. Thats all I use it for. And when they started the Gold/Silver thing, I decided to stick with gold just because it was auto-deducting my yearly subscription, and I wanted to keep playing games against people, which I heard you couldn't do with Silver. And now that Netflix is a gold only thing, I plan on keeping gold forever basically. But to me, thats all XBox Live is.
Sony's free online in itself, to me, is it's "XBox Live". PS3 users can play against each other, download content and watch/rent movies over PSN, for free - but apparently from what Ive heard it's not as well managed, maintained or as reliable as XBL. So that's how I justified keeping my 360 instead of switching to a PS3 - I'm paying for better service, and I'm fine with that.
Home is a completely seperate beast in my mind. I look at it more like "Home" is the free gift you get when you sign up for PSN (and since PSN is free, a PS3).
mxmarks on
PSN: mxmarks - WiiU: mxmarks - twitter: @ MikesPS4 - twitch.tv/mxmarks - "Yes, mxmarks is the King of Queens" - Unbreakable Vow
Also, Live has ads, and PSN doesn't unless you go into the store. I'm paying for live, I shouldn't have ads pop in my face unless I actually want to shop for something.
Home has a FUCKLOAD of ads though. Like, everywhere. Every other object is an ad for DLC. And there is stuff to buy there too.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of PSN vs. XBL. I should have clarified by using a quote or something. I can justify ads being in Home, at least. It seems like it would cost a bit at least.
E: wow, shitty totp.
I don't mind the ads on XBL because (in the UK at least) they only tend to be FOR stuff on XBL. DLC, movies, whatever. Not just ads for anything.
The thing is, for me, they're advertising things like movie rentals and add-on packs to games I haven't even played. If it were a smart ad system, I might not mind because it could inform me of things I am interested in (ex: I bought Rez and Ikaruga, therefore they would advertise some other similar shooter). However, I have never rented or bought a movie or tv show or whatever from XBL, and I have never played whatever game they are advertising DLC for.
I guess I could get around to requesting an invite. I recently upgraded our joint PC to a new keyboard, so I have a nice old USB keyboard I can use for chat.
The Xbox fanboys are pissing their panties over Home. You should be.
* 50 dollars a year online charges
You've already wasted 150 bucks added to the base price of the RRoD box
And if you are stupid enough to have been paying for online play since the first Xbox fiasco you've already wasted 300-350 bucks
* No dedicated servers/Laggy P2P online gaming
Microsoft forces you to pay them to be allowed to play games online and then makes gamers host their own games. What a joke. The most fundamental aspect of online play and Microsoft can't even get it right. Laggy P2P online gaming for 50 bucks a year!
* Pathetically small player counts
The crappy P2P Xbox online tech means you can't have more than a tiny number of people per game since you are running of someone's crappy home Net connection. Only 16 for Halo 3, only 10 for Gears of War 2. What a total joke.
* A retarded Nintendo Mii ripoff
Do you Xbox fanboys know what a bunch of losers you look like with your stupid little Miis in your sigs?
Keep filling those gaming forums with your Xbox fanboy 'reviews' of Home and how 'you're dissapointed' and 'it doesn't live up to teh hype'. They are fucking hilarious and we're loving them.
You know, the other night I was driving down the road at about three in the morning (I live in Vegas). I was almost home and I saw I guy roller skating on the sidewalk wearing a yellow fucking cape. I passed by and had to ask myself many times if I really saw what I saw. Pai's post above was kinda like that.
Is anyone else having problems getting into the club house? I try to join it and my interface just gets stuck at "Retrieving clubhouse details. Please wait..." I can't even exit out of that screen, although I can put the interface away and still walk around.
Dashui on
Xbox Live, PSN & Origin: Vacorsis 3DS: 2638-0037-166
PS3 users for the most part feel let down by Home.
360 Users come into the thread to inquire about Home, discuss the differences between XBL and PSN.
...
360 users are PISSING THIER PANTS!
(can you piss your pants in Home? I'd love to be watching a movie with random people and hit a button that slowly changes my pants color, and eventually leaves a trail wherever I go.)
mxmarks on
PSN: mxmarks - WiiU: mxmarks - twitter: @ MikesPS4 - twitch.tv/mxmarks - "Yes, mxmarks is the King of Queens" - Unbreakable Vow
Home is pretty cool actually, finally got into it when I played some pool with my friends.
I approve. :^:
I want to check out the clubhouse and play some pool or bowling with you guys, but the service seems really slow at the moment. I can't even access the clubhouse. I'll have to try again later or tomorrow and hope it's improved.
Dashui on
Xbox Live, PSN & Origin: Vacorsis 3DS: 2638-0037-166
Ok, I have some ideas to make Home better. I do interface design and product management for a company that sells social software for businesses, and any time I see an online community spring up I geek right out.
The Good:
The concept. Meeting in a virtual world has the ability to create a more enriching, tangible feel to connecting with your friends / meeting people with similar interests.
Yes it can be viewed as a "hurdle" to get to what you need, but that's part of it, really. Home is trying to make the simple actions of playing a game, meeting with friends online, or watching movies engaging and rewarding. I think it has the potential to work.
The Bad:
Home needs to hold your hand a little more when introducing you to the community. It needs a few explicit goals and it needs to help you understand them. I think the "Club" is the best part about Home, honestly. It provides context to the user within the community– you are immediately among people who share a common interest.
Home needs to engage you with the people you already know automatically. The focus of Home should really lie here, not buried in some menu that looks and acts like the existing PSN interface.
Right now the point of Home feels like pimping out your current space and avatar with junk, because that's the context it gives you. It starts you in your apartment, teaches you how to place furniture, then tells you where you can buy more. This is not community-building in the slightest.
Anyway, I have to go catch my streetcar, but as a guy who does this sort of thing for a living, Home is an interesting case study.
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Well yes, it's painfully obvious that it's not any kind of answer to XBL, but that is how it was marketed to us for the last year, which is probably a major catalyst in our disappointment.
While I agree, "Yay, it's free, free is fun", I also agree with Tycho: Being free does not free you from the bonds of your own self hype, and it doesn't shield you from deserved criticism. Especially when this was the "big feature" promised to PS3 owners who were upset the XBox had a much cleaner, nicer (albeit not free) online experience.
I hate you for making me want this.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Oh, you're still in, it's just you can promote people so that they can add shit like furniture to the clubhouse and "Ok" other people's invites. But you can only have a certain number of "sub leaders". It's very restrictive and daft.
If you're in the clubhouse I THINK you can invite in a "non-member"
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
But the PS3 does by and large have that online experience. The XMB offers the majority of XBL features. Home is something else entirely.
::edit:: Also AOI, how do you unlock everything in the Namco beta?
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
Pac-Man:
Get a Cherry
Get a Strawberry
Get to Level 2
Get all 4 ghosts in one power pellet (1600)
Galaga:
Beat Stage 1
Beat Stage 2
Get a Dual Fighter
Get Your Ship Captured & Destroy It
Dig-Dug:
Get to Stage 2
Get the Carrot on the 1st Stage
Get the Turnip on the 2nd Stage
Crush 2 monsters with the Same Rock
Xevious:
Complete Area 1
Complete Area 2
Raise a tower with a bomb
Find The Hidden Flag
And to be honest, I like the concept of Home. I'm jazzed by the possibilities and I hope it grows into something great. Like I said, if our clubhouse can replace a PS3 [Game On] thread, then I'm even happier. I hope there's a way to say "Friend everyone in this club" because that would prevent me from having to hand-enter forumers' PSN IDs.
XBL/PSN/Steam: APZonerunner
That's perspective. My experience with live was terrible, it was shitty, the 360 UI was hideous and the whole thing was not fun.
On the flipside the PS3 interface, which the 360 has ripped off, was always clean, fast and functional and the online has always worked. Whereas you pay for live and it still managed to go down or have inconsistent connection for an extended period I think at least twice this year.
He's like the fucking candy man. Say something about the PS3 is disappointing 3 times in to a mirror and watch out.
XBL - Follow Freeman
Home has a FUCKLOAD of ads though. Like, everywhere. Every other object is an ad for DLC. And there is stuff to buy there too.
As for ads in Live, am I the only one who didn't really mind them? At worst, they were wasted UI space, they never popped in your face or required you to do anything about it.
It took me these forums to even notice the ads. I always saw it as some sort of newsletter (here's the new stuff available!).
XBL/PSN/Steam: APZonerunner
The main thing for me is the unified friends and invites system that works across all games and apps. You can send an invite to anyone no matter what they're doing and they can accept and join you. It creates one big community that's easy to get into.
All of the PSN stuff that's being added in these updates only works if the devs decide to support it. Trophies are finally becoming mandatory, and cross-game messaging is standard, but cross-game invites are not possible at all.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of PSN vs. XBL. I should have clarified by using a quote or something. I can justify ads being in Home, at least. It seems like it would cost a bit at least.
E: wow, shitty totp.
XBL - Follow Freeman
That goes for me, too, as well as the chat that's independent of games status. It's mainly that the Dashboard is interwoven through all games, whereas the XMB is categorically separated from them.
@gamefacts - Totally and utterly true gaming facts on the regular!
I don't mind the ads on XBL because (in the UK at least) they only tend to be FOR stuff on XBL. DLC, movies, whatever. Not just ads for anything.
XBL/PSN/Steam: APZonerunner
To me, XBox Live is simply an ISP-ish thing. Paying for XBox Live lets me stream movies, download content and play my games online. Thats all I use it for. And when they started the Gold/Silver thing, I decided to stick with gold just because it was auto-deducting my yearly subscription, and I wanted to keep playing games against people, which I heard you couldn't do with Silver. And now that Netflix is a gold only thing, I plan on keeping gold forever basically. But to me, thats all XBox Live is.
Sony's free online in itself, to me, is it's "XBox Live". PS3 users can play against each other, download content and watch/rent movies over PSN, for free - but apparently from what Ive heard it's not as well managed, maintained or as reliable as XBL. So that's how I justified keeping my 360 instead of switching to a PS3 - I'm paying for better service, and I'm fine with that.
Home is a completely seperate beast in my mind. I look at it more like "Home" is the free gift you get when you sign up for PSN (and since PSN is free, a PS3).
The thing is, for me, they're advertising things like movie rentals and add-on packs to games I haven't even played. If it were a smart ad system, I might not mind because it could inform me of things I am interested in (ex: I bought Rez and Ikaruga, therefore they would advertise some other similar shooter). However, I have never rented or bought a movie or tv show or whatever from XBL, and I have never played whatever game they are advertising DLC for.
XBL - Follow Freeman
Also I shall be unlocking all that stuff tomorrow too
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
XBL - Follow Freeman
The Xbox fanboys are pissing their panties over Home. You should be.
* 50 dollars a year online charges
You've already wasted 150 bucks added to the base price of the RRoD box
And if you are stupid enough to have been paying for online play since the first Xbox fiasco you've already wasted 300-350 bucks
* No dedicated servers/Laggy P2P online gaming
Microsoft forces you to pay them to be allowed to play games online and then makes gamers host their own games. What a joke. The most fundamental aspect of online play and Microsoft can't even get it right. Laggy P2P online gaming for 50 bucks a year!
* Pathetically small player counts
The crappy P2P Xbox online tech means you can't have more than a tiny number of people per game since you are running of someone's crappy home Net connection. Only 16 for Halo 3, only 10 for Gears of War 2. What a total joke.
* A retarded Nintendo Mii ripoff
Do you Xbox fanboys know what a bunch of losers you look like with your stupid little Miis in your sigs?
Keep filling those gaming forums with your Xbox fanboy 'reviews' of Home and how 'you're dissapointed' and 'it doesn't live up to teh hype'. They are fucking hilarious and we're loving them.
XBL/PSN/Steam: APZonerunner
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What I love is that it's his first post. It can only get better.
XBL/PSN/Steam: APZonerunner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcDNC6tNM4
He really needs to get on the ball, though. Not a single misspelled variation on faggot in his post. That's ALL it was missing to be the best ever.
PSN: Corbius
I've been trying out Home a little bit more, and I really have to agree with Tycho's post today. Home really seems like a bad idea all around.
EDIT: Still waiting to see how they tie it into disc-based games, though.
PS3 users for the most part feel let down by Home.
360 Users come into the thread to inquire about Home, discuss the differences between XBL and PSN.
...
360 users are PISSING THIER PANTS!
(can you piss your pants in Home? I'd love to be watching a movie with random people and hit a button that slowly changes my pants color, and eventually leaves a trail wherever I go.)
I approve. :^:
I want to check out the clubhouse and play some pool or bowling with you guys, but the service seems really slow at the moment. I can't even access the clubhouse. I'll have to try again later or tomorrow and hope it's improved.
The Good:
The concept. Meeting in a virtual world has the ability to create a more enriching, tangible feel to connecting with your friends / meeting people with similar interests.
Yes it can be viewed as a "hurdle" to get to what you need, but that's part of it, really. Home is trying to make the simple actions of playing a game, meeting with friends online, or watching movies engaging and rewarding. I think it has the potential to work.
The Bad:
Home needs to hold your hand a little more when introducing you to the community. It needs a few explicit goals and it needs to help you understand them. I think the "Club" is the best part about Home, honestly. It provides context to the user within the community– you are immediately among people who share a common interest.
Home needs to engage you with the people you already know automatically. The focus of Home should really lie here, not buried in some menu that looks and acts like the existing PSN interface.
Right now the point of Home feels like pimping out your current space and avatar with junk, because that's the context it gives you. It starts you in your apartment, teaches you how to place furniture, then tells you where you can buy more. This is not community-building in the slightest.
Anyway, I have to go catch my streetcar, but as a guy who does this sort of thing for a living, Home is an interesting case study.