Jarmo, the anatomy is all kinds of fucked. Looks like his far shoulder is dislocated, and his near forearm appears to be broken in the middle. Also the legs are just .. wrong! Sorry for being so harsh.
Self portrait with one hand...Lifedrawing assignment.
Horrible picture quality and my hand is MASSIVE.
Blehh!
Jessicones on
I don't think you're happy enough! That's right! I'll teach you to be happy! I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs! Now, boys and girls, let's try it again!
Jarmo, the anatomy is all kinds of fucked. Looks like his far shoulder is dislocated, and his near forearm appears to be broken in the middle. Also the legs are just .. wrong!
Yeah, I know those problems excist and I'm sure working on them as we speak. I don't know if those probs spoil the next question (btw, sorry for my bad english :roll: ) but is the proportion of head, torso, arms even somewhat "correct"?
Sorry for being so harsh.
Don't worry
All my "friends" always say that oh, man you draw great and when I want honest critique I know this is the place to have some. I appreciate each and every one here sharing their art and comments etc.
Self portrait with one hand...Lifedrawing assignment.
Horrible picture quality and my hand is MASSIVE.
Blehh!
The shirt collar coming around our left makes your hand look hairy. The po'tret is all kinds of awesome; there's awesome shooting out of it. It's an awesome factory. *shakes head at self*.
Ever have a moment where it just hits you over the head?
BAM! You suddenly get it?
I got it.
I haven't been drawing what I want to draw at all.
I've been drawing what I thought everyone wanted me to draw.
THAT'S why I've hated my art so much!
I don't even care about improving anymore. I just want to have fun
This is the most fun I've had in a while. ^^
And with this, I shall take my leave of this place as far as posting stuff goes. I've had fun getting to know you guys, but now that I'm going to take this direction with my art mentality, I no longer belong here. (Though I'm quite sure 75% of you knew I never belonged here to begin with). ^_^ Though I may occasionally lurk to offer critique, I wish you all the best of luck with your careers, you're all amazing! ^_^
Ever have a moment where it just hits you over the head?
BAM! You suddenly get it?
I got it.
I haven't been drawing what I want to draw at all. I've been drawing what I thought everyone wanted me to draw.
You have? I didn't notice.
Everyone wanted you to do studies and apply those 4 years of education you got from an expensive high calibur art school to improving your own art by putting some semblance of realistic observation into your own style.
Through it all though you have refused to drop the anime stuff at all, so I really don't know how this is some kind of breath of fresh air now, to decide to do the same thing you've been doing for years.
What I mean is that, I spent some time thinking about it, and I realized that the reason I wasn't improving at all, even though I had done a lot of studies and practiced with anatomy and perspective, ripping my hair out the entire time as I got more and more frustrated with my artwork, was because I wasn't having any fun in the process.
I know it may seem to everyone here that I was just drawing the same thing over and over and over again, the truth is that I had been trying to apply my studies to my artwork, trying to work with my hair and face structure and the like. But it turned out so bad that no one noticed any difference between my work before and after the fact.
I was stressing myself out over my artwork not being good enough, hating myself all the while for my complete incompetence. The reason I kept posting it here was because I was hoping that maybe someone would notice some sort of improvement in my anime artwork after my studies, but it didn't happen, because I wasn't improving at all.
I realized I had lost sight of what I wanted to do with my artwork in the first place. I had forgotten the reason I started drawing in the first place.
Because it made me smile.
I got so caught up in trying to do something I'm not really fit to do, which is make works that are awe-inspiring works of majesty such as NightDragons or Angel_of_Bacon's artwork. That's what the majority of the people here have been aspiring for and achieving. But I suddenly remember that I never had goals that lofty with my artwork at all. I just wanted to draw cute and silly things that make people laugh. I never truly cared whether my artwork was exceptional, so long as it turned out funny in the end. So long as I could look at it, and smile, that's all that mattered to me.
I think I finally realized this when it finally hit me that I'm not going to make it professionally. I'm just too damn thick-headed, wishy-washy and emo to make it. If I was ever going to make it, it would have been sheer luck and nothing more. But I could never give up drawing, the one thing I truly love more than anything else.
So now, I'm just going to draw for myself. If other people like it then good for them, I'll appreciate it. I know the majority of people won't, but that shouldn't matter. What should matter is if *I* like my work.
The past year or so, I have not liked my work. I was drifting away from drawing, and I was so angry and mad at myself for it. The efforts I made to improve went unnoticed because there was nothing to notice, there was no improvement. I finally realized that. And that, I should just let it all go and have some fun.
So again, I'll stop posting art here, though I might offer suggestions every now and again if I see something I can help with.
I was gonna say something mean, but it's actually kind of cute a fuzzy that you've freed yourself of the pressure of drawing for other people. I applaud you.
The only pressure now is not to renege on this revelation and come back with more anime crap a month from now because you realize you can't draw for you and you alone and desperately want attention which is why you even left a going away message in the first place and why you continue to post long-winded treatises about your favorite subject (yourself), hoping to spur any comments good or bad so you can quietly celebrate the fact someone on the internet acknowledges your existence, and why you'll continue to lurk as like a modern-day Jimmy Stewart silently observing how the internet survives without you ever having existed, only this time it really is a wonderful life where nobody remembers your name and lives happily ever after because of it.
Your art is done in a style that is CLEARLY not your own.
I have yet to see an original idea out of you
If you could produce SOMETHING that I hadn't seen before or wasn't so bland that it failed to interest me at all, then I would respect your comments here, but it just seems like you're unwilling to accept the fact that all you're doing is copying what's been done a bajillion times while trying to imitate a style that you don't understand, or don't have mastery over.
Seriously, it looks like all of your work could come out of one of those 'How to Draw Manga' books. I don't have a high level of respect for those books.
My advice? Steer away from manga completely. Go develop the other style you have, which is far more appealing (the realistic one).
Drawing for yourself is fine. But it's certainly not as satisfying, in my opinion.
Good luck, honestly. I really hope you can find a way to improve, if you can, that would be awesome
But we're CONSTRUCTIVE assholes. People don't like to find out what's wrong with their art. It hurts, but it helps you to improve. Why can't people get that?
I'm making this a seperate post. ZEL, please read this, I'm just trying to help
Zel, for an example of what I'm talking about, just look at the picture you posted above.
The faces on the two girls are basically exactly the same. There's very little difference. The hair is stiff and doesn't flow at all, it looks very unrealistic.
You have three cliches right in that picture: sweat drop, the 'blush smile', and the ^_^;; sailor moon pose.
The anatomy isn't too shabby. But the design is horribly simplistic. You can't buy clothes like that in target. There isn't even any seams, the clothing doesn't actually fold correctly, and the lack of detail is just bothering me.
There's nothing interesting to look at Zel, I'll be honest.
I mean, you can draw for yourself, but what's the point of art if nobody sees it apart from you? And if your art can't keep people's attention, I doubt they're going to find it funny for long. They'll probably just get bored of it.
Sublimus: I've known probably for some time that, most likely, the reason I made it through Ringling was for my ideas rather than my artwork. E.g. During my senior year, I had a project where we had to illustrate "World Peace" Most drew something apocolyptic, or religious. I drew a bunch of people in a field smoking pot. My teacher didn't like my artwork at all, but loved my concept.
Fugitive: I am using it, just not in the same way you guys probably would. Sorry, but that's just how I work, broken as it may be.
The One Dark Knight: That's part of what I realized though. I didn't like that other stuff I drew, no matter how original it may be. I much prefer my art like this, generic as it is. It's just what I like.
There, I said it. I like generic design. I'm probably the only one who does I'm sure, but that's how I like it. I can't deny it anymore. If I had the choice of watching Invader Zim, a show with an amazingly original style and humor, or Buso Renkin, a show right now with artwork as generic as it comes and some just plain silly humor, I'd probably watch Buso Renkin. It's just what tickles my fancy, I've finally come to terms with it.
anyhoo, let's get back on topic. Doodles people. ^_^ Sorry for the deviation.
Zel, dude, when I first saw your stuff, you did what no artist should do. Pick your style. You chose a genaric easy whimpy anime style, not a bad assified style, and thats not the worst part. The worst part is what I said earlier is that you picked your style. You basicly went shopping and didn't have enough money to buy a better style and chose one out of the discount rack. Zel, by all means, have fun with your art. Just don't pick a style. Look at all the varities of anime styles. Now go to western cartoon styles and weastern comic books and play with those. Don't be turned off by it just because its not japanese. Take what you like out of anime, manga, marvel,DC,Nickelodeon,cartoon network(american cartoons), diseny, pixar, and dreamworks. Look at all the varieties. Look at your style and ask "What makes my style better than theirs, sleeker than theirs?" I look at your style and see that the charaters only real differences is their hair,height and gender. You basicly just chose different bangs. Look, I like anime, but i'm not going to have a tunnel view and not look at other art. I even look at italian art. Every one is saying your style is just genaric and the only way it is genaric is that you chose that style insted of letting your style grow on its own. We want you to be better, shinnier, unique-er..ish, sleeker and the like. We want you to be special, just like everybody else(paradox but true).
One more thing, when I said you went shopping, look at it this way. Do you want to buy a pepsi, or a genaric brand cola just because its cheaper?
Your probobly going to overlook this post anyways. Sorry for my misspelling and shat.
Edit: DAMN IT! why didn't I post before you bought the cheap stuff!!!WHY!!!!
Hey guys, first real post here in the doodle thread...I stick around more in SE++, but I used to lurk around here so very very long ago...
anyway, I'm workin on my paint technique- this is for my christmas avatar- some small flaws in color and such, as you can see, but I figured it was alright since it was really just going to be 64x64 pixels.
Anything blaring about anatomy that you notice would be good, although most of these were drawn in <10 mins.
Boobs are horribly wrong on the woman. I have to learn how to draw a woman's chest when she doesn't have a shirt on. I need to go look at more porn probably.
Err, character design for a comic I'm hopefully going to coerce myself into drawing.
I won't be anymore, 'cause I won't post my drawings here anymore.
I like the sword a lot MagicToaster. I also like the character in your first doodle on the right with the glasses, that's a neat doodle. ^^
Are you referring to MY doodle post above?
You might also have edited your post, Knight. So as not to double post.
I really like the girl with the goggles. But the dude with the huge sword, it just seems so ridiculously huge.
Boobs are horribly wrong on the woman. I have to learn how to draw a woman's chest when she doesn't have a shirt on. I need to go look at more porn probably.
I'm going to be completely honest here and admit that in times of desperation I have used such references.
...although it wasn't "porn" so much as "purposely erotic photography".
Still wasn't your typical art class stuff. :P
Cola, that cross-hatching is really good!
I won't be anymore, 'cause I won't post my drawings here anymore.
I like the sword a lot MagicToaster. I also like the character in your first doodle on the right with the glasses, that's a neat doodle. ^^
Are you referring to MY doodle post above?
You might also have edited your post, Knight. So as not to double post.
I really like the girl with the goggles. But the dude with the huge sword, it just seems so ridiculously huge.
Ah, yeah, sorry about that ): probably should have.
As for huge swords, that's what I was going for. Although in more recent versions of that character, his sword is about 3/4 of that length.
Cola: I am astounded. That's PENWORK? That's really nice.
Dark Knight: Just a cheap office bic pen... I'm a cheap bastard. I like your sketches, your style kinda reminds me of the manga "Priest." A fav of mine.
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It is just plain sketch and I'm planning to finish the line-work, add shadows etc and colour it with photoshop or such.
So, it's a very incomplete piece... so any comments and crits are highly appreciated.
Self portrait with one hand...Lifedrawing assignment.
Horrible picture quality and my hand is MASSIVE.
Blehh!
I miss you for this reason, this is awesome.
Edit: post more stuffs!
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Yeah, I know those problems excist and I'm sure working on them as we speak. I don't know if those probs spoil the next question (btw, sorry for my bad english :roll: ) but is the proportion of head, torso, arms even somewhat "correct"?
Don't worry
All my "friends" always say that oh, man you draw great and when I want honest critique I know this is the place to have some. I appreciate each and every one here sharing their art and comments etc.
his clothes
his pose
and the anatomy problems Lly mentioned.
Ask again after you've fixed what Lly mentioned.
The shirt collar coming around our left makes your hand look hairy. The po'tret is all kinds of awesome; there's awesome shooting out of it. It's an awesome factory. *shakes head at self*.
ummmmmmmmmm...........
wow? :^::^::^:
That is freakin' really well done. Congrats!
BAM! You suddenly get it?
I got it.
I haven't been drawing what I want to draw at all.
I've been drawing what I thought everyone wanted me to draw.
THAT'S why I've hated my art so much!
I don't even care about improving anymore. I just want to have fun
This is the most fun I've had in a while. ^^
And with this, I shall take my leave of this place as far as posting stuff goes. I've had fun getting to know you guys, but now that I'm going to take this direction with my art mentality, I no longer belong here. (Though I'm quite sure 75% of you knew I never belonged here to begin with). ^_^ Though I may occasionally lurk to offer critique, I wish you all the best of luck with your careers, you're all amazing! ^_^
*can't stop smiling*
You sir, are a leader.
You have? I didn't notice.
Everyone wanted you to do studies and apply those 4 years of education you got from an expensive high calibur art school to improving your own art by putting some semblance of realistic observation into your own style.
Through it all though you have refused to drop the anime stuff at all, so I really don't know how this is some kind of breath of fresh air now, to decide to do the same thing you've been doing for years.
I know it may seem to everyone here that I was just drawing the same thing over and over and over again, the truth is that I had been trying to apply my studies to my artwork, trying to work with my hair and face structure and the like. But it turned out so bad that no one noticed any difference between my work before and after the fact.
I was stressing myself out over my artwork not being good enough, hating myself all the while for my complete incompetence. The reason I kept posting it here was because I was hoping that maybe someone would notice some sort of improvement in my anime artwork after my studies, but it didn't happen, because I wasn't improving at all.
I realized I had lost sight of what I wanted to do with my artwork in the first place. I had forgotten the reason I started drawing in the first place.
Because it made me smile.
I got so caught up in trying to do something I'm not really fit to do, which is make works that are awe-inspiring works of majesty such as NightDragons or Angel_of_Bacon's artwork. That's what the majority of the people here have been aspiring for and achieving. But I suddenly remember that I never had goals that lofty with my artwork at all. I just wanted to draw cute and silly things that make people laugh. I never truly cared whether my artwork was exceptional, so long as it turned out funny in the end. So long as I could look at it, and smile, that's all that mattered to me.
I think I finally realized this when it finally hit me that I'm not going to make it professionally. I'm just too damn thick-headed, wishy-washy and emo to make it. If I was ever going to make it, it would have been sheer luck and nothing more. But I could never give up drawing, the one thing I truly love more than anything else.
So now, I'm just going to draw for myself. If other people like it then good for them, I'll appreciate it. I know the majority of people won't, but that shouldn't matter. What should matter is if *I* like my work.
The past year or so, I have not liked my work. I was drifting away from drawing, and I was so angry and mad at myself for it. The efforts I made to improve went unnoticed because there was nothing to notice, there was no improvement. I finally realized that. And that, I should just let it all go and have some fun.
So again, I'll stop posting art here, though I might offer suggestions every now and again if I see something I can help with.
so long
"Most of us aren't in danger of aiming too high and never reaching our goals. Rather, we aim too low and we get there just fine."
The only pressure now is not to renege on this revelation and come back with more anime crap a month from now because you realize you can't draw for you and you alone and desperately want attention which is why you even left a going away message in the first place and why you continue to post long-winded treatises about your favorite subject (yourself), hoping to spur any comments good or bad so you can quietly celebrate the fact someone on the internet acknowledges your existence, and why you'll continue to lurk as like a modern-day Jimmy Stewart silently observing how the internet survives without you ever having existed, only this time it really is a wonderful life where nobody remembers your name and lives happily ever after because of it.
gg bai bai lolz 3_3
WHAT
Let me say that again.
Your art is done in a style that is CLEARLY not your own.
I have yet to see an original idea out of you
If you could produce SOMETHING that I hadn't seen before or wasn't so bland that it failed to interest me at all, then I would respect your comments here, but it just seems like you're unwilling to accept the fact that all you're doing is copying what's been done a bajillion times while trying to imitate a style that you don't understand, or don't have mastery over.
Seriously, it looks like all of your work could come out of one of those 'How to Draw Manga' books. I don't have a high level of respect for those books.
My advice? Steer away from manga completely. Go develop the other style you have, which is far more appealing (the realistic one).
Drawing for yourself is fine. But it's certainly not as satisfying, in my opinion.
Good luck, honestly. I really hope you can find a way to improve, if you can, that would be awesome
But we're CONSTRUCTIVE assholes. People don't like to find out what's wrong with their art. It hurts, but it helps you to improve. Why can't people get that?
I'm making this a seperate post. ZEL, please read this, I'm just trying to help
Zel, for an example of what I'm talking about, just look at the picture you posted above.
The faces on the two girls are basically exactly the same. There's very little difference. The hair is stiff and doesn't flow at all, it looks very unrealistic.
You have three cliches right in that picture: sweat drop, the 'blush smile', and the ^_^;; sailor moon pose.
The anatomy isn't too shabby. But the design is horribly simplistic. You can't buy clothes like that in target. There isn't even any seams, the clothing doesn't actually fold correctly, and the lack of detail is just bothering me.
There's nothing interesting to look at Zel, I'll be honest.
I mean, you can draw for yourself, but what's the point of art if nobody sees it apart from you? And if your art can't keep people's attention, I doubt they're going to find it funny for long. They'll probably just get bored of it.
Fugitive: I am using it, just not in the same way you guys probably would. Sorry, but that's just how I work, broken as it may be.
The One Dark Knight: That's part of what I realized though. I didn't like that other stuff I drew, no matter how original it may be. I much prefer my art like this, generic as it is. It's just what I like.
There, I said it. I like generic design. I'm probably the only one who does I'm sure, but that's how I like it. I can't deny it anymore. If I had the choice of watching Invader Zim, a show with an amazingly original style and humor, or Buso Renkin, a show right now with artwork as generic as it comes and some just plain silly humor, I'd probably watch Buso Renkin. It's just what tickles my fancy, I've finally come to terms with it.
anyhoo, let's get back on topic. Doodles people. ^_^ Sorry for the deviation.
One more thing, when I said you went shopping, look at it this way. Do you want to buy a pepsi, or a genaric brand cola just because its cheaper?
Your probobly going to overlook this post anyways. Sorry for my misspelling and shat.
Edit: DAMN IT! why didn't I post before you bought the cheap stuff!!!WHY!!!!
anyway, I'm workin on my paint technique- this is for my christmas avatar- some small flaws in color and such, as you can see, but I figured it was alright since it was really just going to be 64x64 pixels.
EDIT:
Pious: I am pretty bland that way yes, if I had to chose between Pepsi or wine, I'll take Pepsi everyday of the week. :-P
You also have impeccable female anatomy. That's pretty awesome.
Blah.
Anything blaring about anatomy that you notice would be good, although most of these were drawn in <10 mins.
Boobs are horribly wrong on the woman. I have to learn how to draw a woman's chest when she doesn't have a shirt on. I need to go look at more porn probably.
Err, character design for a comic I'm hopefully going to coerce myself into drawing.
I like the sword a lot The One Dark Knight. I also like the character in your first doodle on the right with the glasses, that's a neat doodle. ^^
EDIT: Corrected
Are you referring to MY doodle post above?
Close up on face.
You might also have edited your post, Knight. So as not to double post.
I really like the girl with the goggles. But the dude with the huge sword, it just seems so ridiculously huge.
I'm going to be completely honest here and admit that in times of desperation I have used such references.
...although it wasn't "porn" so much as "purposely erotic photography".
Still wasn't your typical art class stuff. :P
Cola, that cross-hatching is really good!
Ah, yeah, sorry about that ): probably should have.
As for huge swords, that's what I was going for. Although in more recent versions of that character, his sword is about 3/4 of that length.
Cola: I am astounded. That's PENWORK? That's really nice.