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The Black Friday Thread: Walmart Worker Trampled and Killed By Crowd
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Then again, I can't think of the last time someone died on one for shopping reasons.
I've seen Boxing Day. It's bad. It's not "Break the hinges off the door to trample a man to death" bad. Not even close.
Absofuckinglutely.
Any decent shop would be worrying about the possibility of injury, letting customers in little by little, maybe hiring extra security, turning people away once the mob reached a critical mass, or hey just not fucking bothering in the first place.
But no. The rush is great publicity, so they decide 'fuck public safety'.
And again, "We the PEOPLE aren't responsible, its the big bad companies fault we trampled that guy!"
Wal-mart didn't make people bust the doors, trample a man, ignore attempts by medical personnel to help the person, and then refuse to leave after being told a man had died because of their behavior.
I agree that police should be there, but you'd be amazed how difficult it is to get a city to do that for local businesses in some areas. And what the hell is private security going to do against 2,000 people?
It just feels dirty.
To be fair, the police have been indicating that the shooting was more gang related than crazed shoppers. The reports I read had police saying that two parties with prior conflicts were shopping at the same store and encountered each other, contributing to what happened. It at least strongly implied it wasn't a case of First Degree Murder for Elmo.
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I agree that the people in the mob are also at fault. They're both at fault.
Walmart actively wanted a mob rushing in. It went just a bit further than they hoped, and bad things happened instead of the juicy publicity they wanted.
Obviously, the rushing mob of people was neither a shock nor undesirable to them.
No. Definitely fucking not. It just makes me wonder why I can't concealed carry. God fucking damnit.
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I did not freak out. Instead I bought a different washer and dryer.
This that was my Black Friday story.
Wait. I assumed you were being reasonable about this, but I have since re-read it and determined that you're somehow implying that concealed carry permits and people who hold them are somehow responsible for things like this? Is that what you're saying?
Because if you are, man, do we need to have some words.
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That's not what we're talking about, but thanks for that speculation, anyway.
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Dude, you are fucking retarded if you believe for a second that you guys would act any more civilised than us if the box corporations didn't cynically take advantage of your culture by posting unbelievably great bargains while being grossly understocked.
The fault firmly, firmly firmly lies with the corporations. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.
http://www.nydailynews.com/money/galleries/walmart_stampede_captured_in_pictures/walmart_stampede_captured_in_pictures.html
I'm not fucking kidding:
What. The. Fuck.
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No, the fault is with people who would stampede and fucking kill someone to save a few bucks.
I'm actually a fairly optimistic person, but also a realist in the sense that I know how people are when they can get something for nothing.
My dad once embarassed me publicly and basically caused a huge scene when he didn't get a dollar off on his two-dollar item. This pretty much set the precedent for me that most people are greedy capitalistic fucks. I hope they can do better, but I can only affect my own actions so I just try to be a better person not try to make people change to be someone they're not.
I went to work today, and read the forums, helping customers for a combined total of about an hour and a half today. Print/copy shops are apparently not busy on Black Friday.
If I gave you a loaded gun, taught you to use it, and told you every day to kill your family, am I at fault?
It's not actual justice, but it is at least more than a slap on the wrist.
lowes or sears?
did you end up stepping up and getting the 328?
I'm going to have to agree with John Boy on this.
Besides that, I doubt more then a handful of people even knew he was there. As someone who has actually stood in a crowd at some point, I can tell you that it would be very, very easy for someone to get trampled if he fell down, just as a consequence of how crowds work. There's one or two people actually pushing, a few people jockeying for position, a fair number trying to peer over others to see what's going on, a lot of people just trying to make enough space for themselves (and, in this case, their children), and all the others just trying to avoid being knocked over and moving where they're pushed. It is WalMart that worked everybody up and caused that irresistible pressure from the back.
This is a joke right?
I guess you consider the Hague to be a three ring circus, then.
Idiotic analogy. More like this - If person A goes out and murders person B to steal their car, you'll be blaming the car company for making cars too expensive.
And I went and killed my family? Yes, it would be my fault.
That is all.
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At some point as your bloodied boot is crushing the limbs of the elderly welcomer it should occur to you that the $100 savings on the new washer may not be all that important.
And I'm going to use as evidence the 300 million Americans other than myself who somehow managed not commit any felonies or misdemeanors in the quest to for sales.
Stop creating false dichotomies people. The fault can lie with more than one party.
I was disagreeing with Rent's brainwashing hypothesis, not debating crowd mechanics.