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Switzerland: Heroin is good, Cannabis is bad.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    bsjezz wrote: »
    his point by point analysis inferred that from 'future study would be useless', 'this study is useless', and that 'there's enough evidence to truthfully tell young people that cannabis increases risk of psychosis' means the same thing as 'kids shouldn't use drugs so we should tell them that anyway.'

    A study that does not prove something and will not prove something is useless by definition.

    And for the record: I don't smoke pot.

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    bsjezz wrote: »
    Kovak wrote: »
    my favorite part is
    But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.
    800 entire cases

    it's a british survey about the british community. and it's not hypothetical, that would be '800 people came into british mental health facilities in a psychotic state that was induced by marijuana.'

    im really not sure what your point is here

    you would agree that the british community still encompasses at least 1 million people right

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    Fandyien on
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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    bongi wrote: »
    my argument for why pot is bad is that stoners are awful

    agreed.
    At least the ones I've got exposure to are pretty fucking obnoxious.
    Then again, people who drink and cannot handle themselves are terrible too.


    Basically I am saying is I have joined the ranks of Druhim as an old man, shut up and get the hell off my lawn.

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    Captain CanuckCaptain Canuck Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    predicting a lot more break-ins in swiss pharmacies in the next couple months

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    neville wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    my argument for why pot is bad is that stoners are awful

    agreed.
    At least the ones I've got exposure to are pretty fucking obnoxious.
    Then again, people who drink and cannot handle themselves are terrible too.


    Basically I am saying is I have joined the ranks of Druhim as an old man, shut up and get the hell off my lawn.

    Why you gotta say hurtful things

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    Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    neville wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

    So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

    That's pretty retarded.
    Man, it's not like, their fault that they're hooked on a known addictive substance, man.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I was under the assumption that he knew about methadone... and we all know what they say about assumptions.

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Fandyien wrote: »
    neville wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    my argument for why pot is bad is that stoners are awful

    agreed.
    At least the ones I've got exposure to are pretty fucking obnoxious.
    Then again, people who drink and cannot handle themselves are terrible too.


    Basically I am saying is I have joined the ranks of Druhim as an old man, shut up and get the hell off my lawn.

    Why you gotta say hurtful things

    I haven't been around you stoned/drunk... although your ramblings here aren't helping your case.
    But by and large, the people I know who are stoners are fucking idiots when they are high. When it's someone you live with, it's that much more obnoxious.

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Man, like 99% of the people who meet me on a regular basis have no fucking idea that I'm high.

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    bongibongi regular
    edited November 2008
    predicting a lot more break-ins in swiss pharmacies in the next couple months
    The system is that you go to a special clinic and can pay to be given high-quality heroin using clean equipment, not that they just prescribe it like other drugs that you pick up at the pharmacy.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    neville wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    neville wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    my argument for why pot is bad is that stoners are awful

    agreed.
    At least the ones I've got exposure to are pretty fucking obnoxious.
    Then again, people who drink and cannot handle themselves are terrible too.


    Basically I am saying is I have joined the ranks of Druhim as an old man, shut up and get the hell off my lawn.

    Why you gotta say hurtful things

    I haven't been around you stoned/drunk... although your ramblings here aren't helping your case.
    But by and large, the people I know who are stoners are fucking idiots when they are high. When it's someone you live with, it's that much more obnoxious.

    I'm going to agree. I have a 'Don't call me/text me/contact me' rule with all my friends when they are High/drunk

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    spending a week high with backwards was a fantastic vacation

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    PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether!

    Like, put all addicts in a giant rehab center?

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    mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Fandyien wrote: »
    Man, like 99% of the people who meet me on a regular basis have no fucking idea that I'm high.

    Fandy if you ever come to Colorado we should smoke illegal drugs

    i think it would be fantastic times

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    hurf durf

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    Like, put all addicts in a giant rehab center?

    and then they can fight for drugs

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    mrpaku wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    Man, like 99% of the people who meet me on a regular basis have no fucking idea that I'm high.

    Fandy if you ever come to Colorado we should smoke illegal drugs

    i think it would be fantastic times

    If for some reason I am ever in Colorado, blunts will be rolled

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    mrpaku where are you in colorado

    come to SLC

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    Probably because of the physical changes that occur in the brain with some drug usage. That might be an issue to consider.

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    mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    practically in Denver

    i'm planning on doing some kind of road trip next year too, so i will definitely keep that in mind Kovak!

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    Probably because of the physical changes that occur in the brain with some drug usage. That might be an issue to consider.

    No way, man, you just have to lock them up and take it away and they are suddenly not phsyically addicted to opiates.

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    KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    make it so its at the same time as Potatoes

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    Probably because of the physical changes that occur in the brain with some drug usage. That might be an issue to consider.

    No way, man, you just have to lock them up and take it away and they are suddenly not phsyically addicted to opiates.

    The sweating, fever, and cardiac arrest mean they are getting better!

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    PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    A duck! wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

    Has anyone told this guy about methadone yet?

    I've been trying but everybody just called me dumb.

    How about getting rid of the addiction altogether instead of substitute addictions or the actual source of the addiction?

    Probably because of the physical changes that occur in the brain with some drug usage. That might be an issue to consider.

    No way, man, you just have to lock them up and take it away and they are suddenly not phsyically addicted to opiates.

    Separates the strong from the weak willed!

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    CampionCampion Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There's a few methadone clinics here in Victoria, connected to pharmacies like Shopper's Drug Mart and Pharmasave. They do not tell a lot of stories of people who manage to complete the methadone program, and that sucks really really badly. They do have some stories of people who almost finish, then go back to heroin, then die from overdose; and how most people stay on it their entire life, trying and failing to work down the mg ladder.

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    CristoCristo Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I lived in motherfucking Switzerland for 4 years. And while they've got bureacracy, immigration and crime nailed, they can be pretty fucking retarded with some things.

    Like this.

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Cristo wrote: »
    I lived in motherfucking Switzerland for 4 years. And while they've got bureacracy, immigration and crime nailed, they can be pretty fucking retarded with some things.

    Like this.

    They also have some banks.

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Campion wrote: »
    There's a few methadone clinics here in Victoria, connected to pharmacies like Shopper's Drug Mart and Pharmasave. They do not tell a lot of stories of people who manage to complete the methadone program, and that sucks really really badly. They do have some stories of people who almost finish, then go back to heroin, then die from overdose; and how most people stay on it their entire life, trying and failing to work down the mg ladder.

    I have known several people stuck in this loop throughout my life, and it is a very, very depressing thing to see.

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2008
    neville wrote: »
    Cristo wrote: »
    I lived in motherfucking Switzerland for 4 years. And while they've got bureacracy, immigration and crime nailed, they can be pretty fucking retarded with some things.

    Like this.

    They also have some banks.

    Not so fond of Jews back in WWII, though. Kind of ironic.

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    CristoCristo Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    A duck! wrote: »
    neville wrote: »
    Cristo wrote: »
    I lived in motherfucking Switzerland for 4 years. And while they've got bureacracy, immigration and crime nailed, they can be pretty fucking retarded with some things.

    Like this.

    They also have some banks.

    Not so fond of Jews back in WWII, though. Kind of ironic.

    Yeah it's despicable the country is built on Jewish blood money.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Did no one see what I wrote on the first page? :(

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    SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I thought cannabis was already decriminalzed there

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    FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2008
    If that happened in America they would have gone to the wrong house and shot the people in it, and then shot the people in the right house for good measure.

    We're a thorough people.

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    That old woman and her family got shook up because people can't keep to themselves.

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Who the fuck uses heroin in Switzerland?

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    Fuck off and die.
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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bsjezz wrote: »
    duuuude woah legalize it etc

    lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

    I'd like to point out that this information is not new and that marijuana use does not cause schizophrenia, but brings it out. Hence, you are only at risk of psychosis if you are carrying latent schizophrenia, which may well erupt from many other causes than a bad marijuana high.

    It's always nice when you have something to scare the kids though!

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    Fuck off and die.
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