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[Fashion]inating the countryside Fashionating the people...ver 6.0
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Where we talk about men and women's fashion, clothing, style, hair, etc. This OP will be mostly geared towards men's fashion because I'm guessing most people reading this will be men and will need the most help. Also I am a man so I know less about women's fashion. If you have any questions it really helps if you post a picture to help others give the best advice possible. You can also treat this as a What Are You Wearing Today (WAYWT) thread and post outfits that you are wearing or some of your outfits that you find interesting.
Basic things about fashion for the newcomers:
Make sure things FIT PROPERLY:
How to Measure Yourself - for guys
Sleeve measurement:
Shoulder Measurements:
measurement guide from http://www.thickasthievesla.com/selfMeasure.html
Where to get clothes:
If anyone thinks part of this OP is wrong or if something should be added please let me know and I will try and change it.
Incomplete section describing various styles and fashion genres with some pictures:
DISCUSS NOW!
Basic things about fashion for the newcomers:
There are rules for fashion but they can always be broken successfully if you know about the rules and are making a conscious and well thought out way of breaking it. Also, if you need a coat for winter go with a peacoat it is a very safe bet and looks good and pretty much everyone.
Other basic rules:
- Navy and black don't mix.
- Your belt and shoes should match.
- Brown shoes/ belt with blue, green or tan suits/ jackets. Black for most everything else.
- Skinny lapels skinny tie. Fat lapels fat tie.
- No white after labor day (I break this rule somewhat often but this is usually on warm days).
- Fedoras look bad on almost everyone.
- Wear very very short socks or no socks at all when wearing shoes and shorts.
- Black button-up shirt with ties and/ or jackets are a fucking atrocity
- If you wear a tshirt under a large coat like a peacoat make sure you wear a scarf to cover your neck/t-shirt otherwise it looks kind of silly.
- Scarf / ascot tying guide.
Other basic rules:
- Navy and black don't mix.
- Your belt and shoes should match.
- Brown shoes/ belt with blue, green or tan suits/ jackets. Black for most everything else.
- Skinny lapels skinny tie. Fat lapels fat tie.
- No white after labor day (I break this rule somewhat often but this is usually on warm days).
- Fedoras look bad on almost everyone.
- Wear very very short socks or no socks at all when wearing shoes and shorts.
- Black button-up shirt with ties and/ or jackets are a fucking atrocity
- If you wear a tshirt under a large coat like a peacoat make sure you wear a scarf to cover your neck/t-shirt otherwise it looks kind of silly.
- Scarf / ascot tying guide.
Make sure things FIT PROPERLY:
This means that the seams of our shirt should be on the top of your shoulder and not down on your arm. Shirts should also fit your arm length and chest size. Long sleeve shirts should come down to the hinge of your wrist and if worn with a suit jacket should show 1/4 to 1/2 inch of your shirt at your wrist. Outerwear coats should technically stop where your thumb bone meets your hand so halfway between your wrist and knuckles. I really prefer my coats to stop 1/4 of the way between my wrist and knuckles so it doesn't look like the sleeve is swallowing my hand. Your pants should stay on your waist without using a belt but belts are still suggested. Most pants should just be long enough that they touch the top of your shoe with little or no break (ie you shouldn't be walking on your jeans).
Picture to show you what I mean NOW LOOK!:
Overall Fit Examples:
Picture to show you what I mean NOW LOOK!:
Here is how a shirt should fit your shoulder and this applies to tshirts as well as dress shirts. Pictures are posted from worst to best:
Notice how the shoulder seam is wayyyy down on my arm and not up on the shoulder. (this is a large):
This one is a little bit better but the shoulder seam doesn't fit perfectly and notice how the fabric poofs away from my arm. That means the sleeves are not fitting my arm very well:
This shirt is almost spot on. The shoulder seam fits nicely but there is too much fabric on the sleeves so it poofs out a little bit (size small).
This is perfect the seam fits my shoulder and there is no poofing out around my bicep(small as well).
The following is how to get the arm length correct on dress shirts:
Notice how this is past the hinge of my wrist and is billowy and is stacking some. This fits really poorly:
This is how a sleeve should look. It stops right at the hinge of my wrist and is slim on my arm:
Notice how the shoulder seam is wayyyy down on my arm and not up on the shoulder. (this is a large):
This one is a little bit better but the shoulder seam doesn't fit perfectly and notice how the fabric poofs away from my arm. That means the sleeves are not fitting my arm very well:
This shirt is almost spot on. The shoulder seam fits nicely but there is too much fabric on the sleeves so it poofs out a little bit (size small).
This is perfect the seam fits my shoulder and there is no poofing out around my bicep(small as well).
The following is how to get the arm length correct on dress shirts:
Notice how this is past the hinge of my wrist and is billowy and is stacking some. This fits really poorly:
This is how a sleeve should look. It stops right at the hinge of my wrist and is slim on my arm:
Overall Fit Examples:
How to Measure Yourself - for guys
Sleeve measurement:
1. you will need an existing jacket that fits well (if the sleeves are too long/short you will need to accomodate this adjustment in the measurement)
2. hang the jacket on a hanger so it is draping as naturally as possible (pics show measurement on table but I dont recommend this if you haven't done this before)
3. start measurement at the top of sleevehead
4. go all the way down to bottom along the longest route
5. to keep it in perspective, an average person up to 5'6 might have a 22-23" sleeve. 5'7-5'10" can range from 23"-25". 5'11" and taller can range from 25" - 27"
Shoulder Measurements:
Shoulder measurements seem to be tricky, so hopefully this helps. Measurement would be "seam to seam" on a well fitting shirt (key here is WELL fitting, not too narrow or wide). The measurement is taken "bone to bone", and for most guys their shoulders will measure anywhere in the range of 15" - 18" across the front, depending on your height and build
The back shoulder is done the same as the front...generally the back shoulder is .5" - 1" wider than the front, for reference. Some guys can measure the same as the front, but it's more common for the back to be slightly wider. If you cannot get an accurate back measurement, the front can be used to proportionately guesstimate the back, by adding 1" to the front.
measurement guide from http://www.thickasthievesla.com/selfMeasure.html
Where to get clothes:
Cheap-ish places to get clothes:
Other Places:
Banana Republic Outlet - Usually significantly cheaper than the regular BR store.
Express - on sale which happens all the time also if you sign up for their emails / mail they send lots of coupons.
Forever21 - now has men's clothes too but not at all locations.
Gap - cheap basics
H&M - not in every state and no online store.
Nordstrom Rack.
Saks Off-Fifth Avenue - Some things are still expensive some aren't you just have to look around
Zara - cheapish good clothes but only in a few places and doesn't have an online store.
Express - on sale which happens all the time also if you sign up for their emails / mail they send lots of coupons.
Forever21 - now has men's clothes too but not at all locations.
Gap - cheap basics
H&M - not in every state and no online store.
Nordstrom Rack.
Saks Off-Fifth Avenue - Some things are still expensive some aren't you just have to look around
Zara - cheapish good clothes but only in a few places and doesn't have an online store.
Other Places:
American Apparel - plain clothes but fit tall and skinny people rather well.
Banana Republic - conservative / office wear
BCBG - women's
Bluefly.com - online only sells slightly discounted designer clothes.
Brooks Brothers (brooksbrothers.com) - spendy but classic and well-made suits and office wear. Watch for sales unless you have texas$
Guess
London Fog - good coats.
Macy's
Modista.com - great way to search for shoes and handbags
Nordstrom's
Threadless - online tshirts place with varying designs
Urban Outfitters - great place for skinny guys but a bit pricey - check their clearance section.
Van Huesen - mostly dress shirts
Yesstyle.com - Sells asian version of lots of designer stuff but word is clothing build quality is only ok. Make sure to check the size chart before ordering from here.
Place to find coupons for ordering online - http://www.retailmenot.com/
Banana Republic - conservative / office wear
BCBG - women's
Bluefly.com - online only sells slightly discounted designer clothes.
Brooks Brothers (brooksbrothers.com) - spendy but classic and well-made suits and office wear. Watch for sales unless you have texas$
Guess
London Fog - good coats.
Macy's
Modista.com - great way to search for shoes and handbags
Nordstrom's
Threadless - online tshirts place with varying designs
Urban Outfitters - great place for skinny guys but a bit pricey - check their clearance section.
Van Huesen - mostly dress shirts
Yesstyle.com - Sells asian version of lots of designer stuff but word is clothing build quality is only ok. Make sure to check the size chart before ordering from here.
If anyone thinks part of this OP is wrong or if something should be added please let me know and I will try and change it.
Incomplete section describing various styles and fashion genres with some pictures:
So this is what I have so far if anyone wants to help find pictures and fill out descriptions.
NOTE: I found a good number of pictures but they are hosted at a site that doesn't allow direct linking so you will have to RIGHT CLICK -> copy link address and paste it to view the links.
I'm sure I've forgotten some other style genres so I NEED HELP adding more and finding more pictures.
Prep- This style usually contains lots of polos, plain dress shirts, sweater vests, boat shoes.
http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/8c/8ca8528030df0352f824bc1090c66c097be9e87a.jpg
http://img.waffleimages.com/193c41eb581e9d80a3fcbc05d7ffa75a6012a059/Forward1.jpg
http://img.waffleimages.com/af45877b9c4396344c98c3a307eaeee34419ef21/221424506501_0_0.jpg
Semi Prep - A step away from prep with less polos and more dress shirts with 'flare' such as pockets and epaulets. I would consider this more casual. I'm not sure this is really a category.
Urban - Hoodies with lots of colors or loud patterns, very colorful sneakers, large design tshirts.
Hipster - very skinny jeans with lots of tapering at the ankle, ironic shirts, wayfayers, chucks
Retro - This has a lot of crossover with hipster. Very self explanatory people dressing in styles of previous generations. A lot of the popular styles pertain to 1920s-50s workers.
Runway/Designer - The crazy clothing that designers make but almost no one ever wears. This is not really meant to be worn. This is more of an art or muse for clothing people actually wear.
Other-
Punk - generally lots of black, spiked belts/chokers, crazy spiked or shaved head
NOTE: I found a good number of pictures but they are hosted at a site that doesn't allow direct linking so you will have to RIGHT CLICK -> copy link address and paste it to view the links.
I'm sure I've forgotten some other style genres so I NEED HELP adding more and finding more pictures.
Prep- This style usually contains lots of polos, plain dress shirts, sweater vests, boat shoes.
http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/8c/8ca8528030df0352f824bc1090c66c097be9e87a.jpg
http://img.waffleimages.com/193c41eb581e9d80a3fcbc05d7ffa75a6012a059/Forward1.jpg
http://img.waffleimages.com/af45877b9c4396344c98c3a307eaeee34419ef21/221424506501_0_0.jpg
Semi Prep - A step away from prep with less polos and more dress shirts with 'flare' such as pockets and epaulets. I would consider this more casual. I'm not sure this is really a category.
http://img.waffleimages.com/d57dfaeaf4cff0a3a02d6c25cba47135e680ba36/waywtwindow.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/wrlwrlwrl/fit69.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/wrlwrlwrl/fit69.jpg
Urban - Hoodies with lots of colors or loud patterns, very colorful sneakers, large design tshirts.
Hipster - very skinny jeans with lots of tapering at the ankle, ironic shirts, wayfayers, chucks
Retro - This has a lot of crossover with hipster. Very self explanatory people dressing in styles of previous generations. A lot of the popular styles pertain to 1920s-50s workers.
Runway/Designer - The crazy clothing that designers make but almost no one ever wears. This is not really meant to be worn. This is more of an art or muse for clothing people actually wear.
Try sitting down in this thing without flashing everyone >_>
Other-
Punk - generally lots of black, spiked belts/chokers, crazy spiked or shaved head
DISCUSS NOW!
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I know I figured I should try and help the fashion noobs and thwart various winter coat related questions. :winky:
There is no way that I could EVER find shirts that I both like, and fit me as shown in the picture.
Then wear long sleeves and roll up the cuff to your elbow.
Eh, I don't really see that as an option. When I say t-shirt I mean graphic t-shirt. I could probably find some blank shirts somewhere that fit, but that's not what any one really wants most of the time.
I don't like long sleeved t-shirts and there's no way I could find graphic t-shirts that I like and are long sleeved.
EDIT: I think the problem lies with the manufactures, the public doesn't really have the chance to be discerning when it comes to t-shirts unless you want to find a manufacturer that just happens to fit you and stick with them forever.
Ah, I wasn't sure.
:^:
It's the new t-shirt! The only disadvantage: Ironing.
I kind of want to try one of those steam press things where you just run it over a shirt on the hangar. Seems like it'd be quicker and less of a hassle.
I was told the rule with ties was that as long as there's a color on the tie that matches the shirt, it's okay. If there's not, don't wear it. The tie had black in it, so I figured it was okay.
Can your bi-fold or money clip do that? I don't think so.
It is curved like crazy and looks ok but not great IMO.
D'awww. Keep it for Halloween or something -- it's absurd but kinda cute.
Yeah, that thing embarrasses me, just looking at it.
You look like a confederate soldier or something.
Valentino:
In my experience, the white after labor day rule has become more of joke than a serious rule.
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Do they look ridiculous, or endearing? There's something adorable about them. Like, aw look at that crazy old man. Now if you saw him but 30 years younger, it would be ridiculous.
Of course, this can vary.
There's a lot of strange stuff on his site, to be sure. But I think what makes a lot of it good (and there is plenty bad) is that the people can usually pull it off. Even if they aren't the most attractive, something about them is usually able to do it. And, in my opinion, looking a bit odd but in your own way is better than just dressing in well-fitting off the rack suits and shirts, etc. It could also have something to do with the usually large amounts of money people spend on each individual piece of their wardrobe, but really, who knows.
Print Liberation and Threadless.com respectively.
I'm also looking into printing a limited run of these:
Robin Hoodies.
Some people will notice, but most of those won't care, and the rest are tools. It's one of those rules that never made any sense anyway. As compared to black + navy which is a rule because it invariably looks awful.
Yea, I figured those would match "our" style here at PA since most of us are not trying to walk around town like it is a runway show.
I originally wanted to have a section in the OP of various styles like formal, prep, urban, hipster, etc. but I figured I didn't want to imply that people must fit into one of those genres. It would have also probably caused a ruckus with my stereotype descriptions of each style. Also I had a hard time finding good pictures of urban and hipster wear.
Yeah, completely understandable. And as I said above, dressing like it's a runway show is expensive, so this way is much more practical.
Also, Moss: those shirts are pretty good. They could easily suck, but the typeface on both of them are pretty rad. I guess I'm just a sucker for sans, though. And, how much would those limited press shirts be? In pounds, I'm guessing, and probably more than 30-40?
On a slightly related topic, are black men not supposed to wear white socks or black socks with shorts?
Read the OP you curse'd heathens!
(I think white below the ankle socks should be fine)
Nowhere near that much. I'd only be selling them to break even, so probably closer to 10 pounds / 15 bucks. Printed on American Apparel.
I think its more of a formal wear thing.