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Warhammer 40k: We don't need no guardsmen, let the M'Fers burn

Sharp101Sharp101 TorontoRegistered User regular
edited January 2009 in Critical Failures
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Warhammer 40k is a tabletop miniature wargame produced by Games Workshop, set in a science fantasy universe. It pits several races and factions against each other for control of the galaxy. The wiki article can be found here. Games Workshop's web site can be found here.
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Setting
The Warhammer 40,000 game world is most readily characterized as a gothic science-fantasy setting. The central and most popular elements of the Warhammer 40,000 universe are the Space Marines, anachronistic combinations of sci-fi super-soldiers and fantasy knights and the finest warriors of the Imperium of Mankind, a dystopian and degenerate galaxy-spanning empire.

The physical setting of this story is the Materium, with all action here in the Milky Way Galaxy. Much of this is controlled by The Imperium of Man, though it is not the only galactic power. Other races include the Orks, a greenskinned trollike race, and the Eldar, the former rulers of a great empire. A dynamic, galaxy-spanning story line is possible because of a separate plane of existence, the Immaterium or "Warp." The Warp is described as a realm of thought, where desires and emotions can take physical form, and with currents and eddies that make traveling vast interstellar distances difficult, yet possible. As this is a realm of thought, a coalescence yields an often sinister warp entity. The strongest of these entities are the Chaos Gods, Khorne (a god of rage, bloodshed, and war), Nurgle (a god of despair, decay and pestilitic disease), Tzeentch (a god of change, deception, scheming, Sorcery, and, oddly enough, hope) and Slaanesh (a god of pleasure, pain, depravity, pride and decadence).

The Gods of Chaos are the result of the strongest impulses in the living souls of the universe's inhabitants. Their cults have a dynamic and antagonistic relationship. Khorne opposes Slaanesh, while Nurgle opposes Tzeentch. Nurgle is the personification of powerlessness, Tzeentch personifies power, Khorne personifies duty and rage, and Slaanesh personifies the epicurean or the sensual. These four powers are not the only entities in the Warp, but they are the greatest and most powerful. It is said, in the background to Warhammer 40,000, that the nature of the Warp is beyond human comprehension and is truly unknowable.

Welcome to Warhammer 40,000

The 41st Millennium is a savage future age where Mankind must battle for survival in a galaxy riven by bloodshed and destruction. Humanity teeters on the brink of extinction, assailed on all sides by aliens, traitors and Daemons, and only the superhuman strength of the Space Marines and the uncountable numbers of the Imperial Guard stand between the slavering alien hordes and total annihilation.

Warhammer 40,000, the tabletop battlegame of the far future, allows you to wage war with armies of Citadel miniatures across miniature battlefields in the ultimate contest of strategy and skill. Each player is a commander who must choose his finest warriors, decide upon cunning battle plans and strategies and lead his army to victory or death. Games can vary in size from small skirmishes of just a few dozen models per side, to massive clashes with hundreds of miniatures.


So, what exactly is Warhammer 40,000?
In a nutshell, each player collects an army of Citadel miniatures then, using the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook as a guideline, they fight epic battles against their fellow generals. Dice (like you'd find in almost any board game) are used to determine success and failure: to decide whether a bolter shell hits its target, or whether a lascannon blasts through the armour of a tank. Each game is played, not on a regular 'board' but on a special gaming area where models are not confined to 'squares' but are free to move as their controller wishes. Because Warhammer 40,000 is not played on a set game board, tape measures or rulers are used to see how far a miniature can move - an agile Eldar jetbike can travel faster than a foot-slogging Imperial Guardsman after all.

That all might sound a little complicated, but most Warhammer 40,000 players find that after just a short game or two they've grasped the basics. Seasoned Warhammer 40,000 generals find that the rules become second nature, and they seldom need to refer to the rulebook at all.


The Warhammer 40,000 Hobby
There's more to Warhammer than just playing games. In fact Warhammer 40,000 is an exciting hobby in its own right. Many players enjoy painting their Citadel miniatures to amazing standards, lavishing extra detail and attention on their models to make their army extra special and unique. Likewise, while your chosen battlefield can be as simple as a bare table with few obstacles, many wargamers like to build modular tabletops as detailed and exciting as the ones you can see on this website.

Most hobbyists begin playing Warhammer 40,000 with a friend or two, honing their skills, and developing their army in regular battles, but the fun doesn't have to stop there. There are thousands of wargaming clubs around the world where players challenge each other to games of Warhammer 40,000 every week. Also, every Games Workshop store has its own gaming tables and boards. Most offer gaming nights for you to come and meet new Warhammer 40,000 generals, discuss painting, modelling and gaming tactics - and of course, do battle. For the really adventurous there are regular Warhammer 40,000 gaming events all over the world, run both by Games Workshop and by enthusiastic gaming clubs and societies. From competitive tournaments where hundreds of players battle to determine a champion, to campaign weekends where each battle forms part of an exciting storyline, there are Warhammer gaming events to suit every taste - all you need is an army of your own and the courage to do battle.

Getting Started
All miniatures wargames need a few basic things before you can get started. First and foremost is a collection of miniatures. Second a place to play. Thirdly, and just as importantly, are the rules for the game. Warhammer 40,000 has grown and developed over more than 20 years and the current rules are the best ever.

There are two ways that you can get to grips with the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. It's available separately as a hardback volume - more than three hundred pages of glorious artwork, background and photography, as well as the rules themselves. This rulebook is the indispensable guide for hobbyists everywhere, it details the rich and colourful galaxy of Warhammer 40,000 and contains all the rules and instructions that you need to get started with your own games.

The second way to get your claws on the Warhammer 40,000 rules is with the Assault on Black Reach boxed game. This awesome game in a box contains two fledgling armies, the superhuman Space Marines and the brutal Orks - as well as scenery, dice, measuring sticks, a getting-started guide and a pocket sized rulebook. This book contains exactly the same rules as the larger, hardback rulebook - but misses out on some of the extra information contained in it (there's only so much you can cram into a box!)

The important thing to remember with both the hardback rulebook and the pocket sized rulebook is that the game is exactly the same - the rules are identical, it's just that the rulebook contains extra background on the Warhammer 40,000 universe and guidance on collecting and painting your armies.

Which rules set is for me?

In the end, the only person who can answer that question is you. People who are completely new to wargaming, and Warhammer 40,000 in particular, often appreciate the getting-started guide contained in the Assault on Black Reach boxed game, as well as the awesome collection of Citadel miniatures it contains! The boxed game contains everything you need to start playing. It's hard to argue with getting the complete package all at once.



Veterans of the wargaming hobby, and players who already have experienced Warhammer 40,000 before, often choose to go for just the hardback rulebook - they understand the basics of wargaming and sometimes already have their own collections of Citadel miniatures, so they don't need introducing in quite the same way.

In the end, the most important factor is: which appeals to you. Most new Warhammer 40,000 players start with the Assault on Black Reach set to get their collection off the ground, and get themselves a copy of the hardback rulebook later - covering both bases.
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So, tell me about the rules.
Well, games of Warhammer 40,000 are traditionally fought for six 'game turns'. In each 'game turn' each player gets a go. They can move, unleash devastating ranged attacks and fight with all of their models. The rulebook explains how to do each of these things, and once you've read over it once, it becomes remarkably simple to do. In no time you'll be blasting your enemy's warriors with battle cannons and bolter shells, and hacking them down with whirring chainswords!

(The above taken from the GW US web site)


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Da Racez According to da Orkz:

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Chaos Space Marines - The Betrayers - Spiky Chaos Boyz iz good 'fer a scrap, but deyz die just as eazy as 'da boyz uv da 'Peeryum!
At the very birth of the Imperium of Man, fully half of the Emperor's most trusted Space Marine Legions turned against him in a bitter civil war. Brother fought brother, and Mankind stood upon the very brink of extinction. Ten thousand years after their defeat, those same traitors still launch their Black Crusades out of the Eye of Terror, their black hearts intent upon nothing less than the utter destruction of the Imperium and the death of its weakling Emperor.

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Chaos Daemons - The Madness - The Daemons of Chaos live within the unknowable realm between space that is best described as the Warp. Voracious monsters driven by an insatiable urge to destroy all life, the Daemons of Chaos are the servants of the gods of Chaos and do their bidding in all things. Through tears in the fabric of reality they enter the mortal plain, leaving only death and insanity in their wake.

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Daemonhunters - The Malleus - Deez boyz 'as shiny bitz all ova, 'an dey 'az some right proppa choppaz ta boot! 'Course, deyz choppas ain't got nuffin' on a proppa orky wepun.
The Imperium of Man is beset on all quarters by enemies bent on its destruction. Traitors, heretics, and aliens pound on the multi-layered defenses of Humanity. However, there are some threats that standard Imperial forces, including the mighty Space Marines, are incapable of facing. The Inquisition was created to face exactly these threats.

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Dark Eldar - The Lost- 'Deez pointy-earz iz betta 'fer a scrap, but dey'z sneekier than a blood axe kommando, which ain't nuffin' proppa an' orky.
The Dark Eldar inhabit a realm called Commorragh, a place as darkly twisted as its rulers, from which these pirates launch raids across the length and breadth of the galaxy. The purpose of these raids is not to conquer planets or protect territory but to cause mayhem, steal, pillage, and – most importantly of all – capture new victims to be taken back to Commorragh for endless torture.

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Eldar - The Dying - Da panzee point-earz iz easy 'fer da krushin - deyz slippier than a greasy squig, but if'n ya can chop 'em, deyz die like da rest.
The Eldar are an incredibly ancient race who once ruled a vast empire across the stars. Then came the hideous time of the Fall, when the Eldar were consumed by their own decadence to the brink of extinction. The few who survived were scattered across the stars. Though the Eldar are few in number, they continue to be one of the most technologically advanced races in the galaxy. This advantage is combined with the prescient abilities of their Farseers, who scry the future and guide their kin along the most favorable paths of fate.

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Imperial Guard - The Dutiful - Deez boyz iz armed to da teef wif loadza worky bitz and tankz, but dey'z weedier than a wet snotling. Easy pickinz 'fer yer meks!
In the midst of genetically engineered super-beings, alien killing machines, warrior mystics, and technology that approaches sorcery in its sophistication, the Imperial Guard are mere soldiers. Clad in a flak jacket and carrying a lasgun, they have to contend with the most terrifying threats, relying on numbers, massed firepower and a bayonet with some guts behind it. As such it is easy to identify with these brave souls and to see in them the qualities of true heroes. Also: tanks tank lol

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Necrons - The Ancient - Da Tinboyz iz good 'fer a scrap, speshully cuz 'deyz keep gettin' back up 'fer more! Still, all da worky bitz in da 'ooniverze ain't any betta 'dan a choppa in yer 'ed!
The Necrons, an alien race ancient beyond imagining, are awakening from their 60-million-year dormancy to plague the living once more. Thousands of immortal, soulless warriors have risen from dusty stasis-tombs, their cold wills bent on harvesting the teeming species of the galaxy. Their miraculous technology was far in advance of any contemporary equivalent long before the Eldar, reckoned the oldest among races, had begun their existence.

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Orks - The Beast - Da biggest, meanest, and best 'uv da racez in da ooniverze. Green iz best! WAAAAGH!
Orks are the most widespread and warlike race of aliens in the bloodstained galaxy of the 41st millennium. From the depths of the galactic core to the distant ghost-stars beyond the rim, burgeoning Ork empires rise and fall. In terms of sheer numbers and planets, Orks occupy more of the galaxy than any other single race, and if they ever unified, they would soon crush all opposition. However, the Orks' passion for violence is so unquenchable that they spend most of their time warring against themselves.

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Space Marines - The Loyal - Da Empror'z Boyz is tuff in 'dere tin kan armor, but dey'z easy pickinz if'n ya can get ta da soft bitz inside.
Space Marines are the most powerful and dreaded of all the human warriors in the galaxy. They are not human at all, but superhuman, having been made superior, in all respects, to a normal man by a harsh regime of genetic modification, psycho-conditioning and rigorous training. Being few in number compared to the uncounted billions of humanity, Space Marines are organized into small independent armies called Chapters. Their unswerving loyalty is to the Emperor of Mankind, their Chapter second, and no other.

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Tau Empire - The Young - Da fish'edz iz da 'least proppa bunch in da entire ooniverze. Dey'z spend all da time shootin', not krumpin' up close, and dey run away just when da scrap getz good!
Since their first contact with the Imperium in the 35th millennium, the Tau have risen from a hunter-gatherer society to a star-faring race in less than six thousand years. Absolutely obedient to the command of the enigmatic ethereal caste, the Tau believe that now is their time. It is their race and their Empire that will bring unity to all. There is no foe their technology cannot overcome, no quandary their science cannot resolve, the stars and all that lie between to be joined beneath the aegis of the Greater Good.

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Tyranids - The Hungry - Da gribbly boyz iz a lot like a cage 'uv angry squigz. Ya might loose a runt er two, but dey ain't got nuffin' on da boyz!
The Tyranids are without doubt the most alien race encountered by Humanity. They have been likened to a galactic swarm of locusts, remorselessly hungry and too numerous to stop. Tyranids are a nomadic, space-dwelling race that has migrated from beyond our galaxy in search of new resources to consume. Under the direction of the Hive Mind, Tyranid Hive Fleets have bored into our space. These Fleets have discovered sustenance in abundance in the forms of the Imperium of Man and the other species of the Milky Way galaxy. Tyranids continue their endless advance, seeking planets to strip of bio-mass before moving on, leaving nothing but a ball of scoured rock in the wake of their titanic swarms. What's worse, no one seems able to halt, let alone reverse, the Tyranid tide.

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Witchhunters - The Faithful - Deez girly 'umiez iz actually girlz! Dey'z fight like orkz, but dey die like 'umiez.
The darkness within the Imperium is a sinister and subtle threat. The heretic, mutant, and rogue psyker pose a great danger to Humanity and threaten it with an internal rot that can be far more damaging than alien invasion. Answering this threat is the Ordo Hereticus, the Order of the Inquisition devoted to hunting down and eliminating these particular threats. Known as the Witch Hunters, these Inquisitors command the might of the Imperium – especially the Adepta Sororitas – in their hunt for the witch, the mutant, the heretic, and the fallen cleric. No one is above the cleansing fire of the Witch Hunters.
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Where can I buy this stuff online?
http://www.games-workshop.com/ - The main site. Not the cheapest place to get minis, but if you can't find it anywhere else...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/ - Beautiful resin models to add spiff to any army. The place to go if you love your hobby, but hate your wallet.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk - Consistent discounts, extra discounts on 5+ 'army bundles', free international shipping, great selection. Used as #1 seller by myself and several other users.

http://www.chaosorc.com - Good discounts (particularly on large items), cheap shipping. patchy selection but carries lots of older products and non-GW stuff. Some items aren't clearly labeled differently from older versions, but they're a good alternative on specific items.

http://thewarstore.com/ - Excellent selection, good discounts, good service. 20% off normal prices, 25% off orders of $400 (adjusted price) or more. $3.95 shipping flat rate (free on certain orders I believe.)

http://www.bartertown.com/ - The place to go when looking for like-minded people with models for trade and sale. I just picked up a Forgeworld Warhound Titan for half-off from someone who needed to raise cash for a ring.


Painting services:
The hobby's dirty little secret, for people who have entire armies in venerable shades of pewter and gray, and want something else, but lack the time, ability, or faith in their own prowess to do it themselves (but still have plenty of money).
(thanks to Gabriel_Pitt for this section)

Blue Table Painting
: Based in Utah, USA, these guys do good work for a reasonable price. They have quite a few videos up on youtube if you want to check out their work.

Painted Figs: Based in Sri Lanka. Just about the best $/painting quality ratio out there. They do excellent work at a very reaonsable price. Shipping is pretty expensive from the USA, but for anyone closer to that side of the world (like Japan) even with the cost of getting your models there and back, the price can't be beat.

Game Fusion Studio: Based in California. They make and sell a large variety of terrain as well as offering mini painting services. Pricey, but they do some nice looking work.

The Warstore: Branching out into offering painted minis, as well as kits and bits.


Other places of Note:

http://belloflostsouls.org - A great 40k (and sometimes fantasy) rumor site. They also post articles on campaigning, modeling and other great stuff.

http://www.warseer.com - Currently about the biggest GW-related forum on the net. Also known in high circles as "Giant Douchebags" -Attributed to SJ

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/ - Space Marines, and high fashion (not really)

http://www.the-waaagh.com - Orks orks orks orks! Jobs a gud'un boss.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/ - They used to be cool. Kinda fallen on hard times.

http://www.the-warforge.com - Ein's modelling and converting site. Totally slipped this into the OP because I could.

http://www.miniwargaming.com/ - TheCrumblyCracker sayz: These guys have awesome youtube videos, are hilarious, and I have met them in person. Also Canadian (so the best)

How do I carry?
And because you need a way to cart all your wonderful new toys around, here are a couple recommendations beyond what you can get from GW:

Sabol Army Transports A little expensive, but I use them exclusively, because of the quite reasonable international shipping price, and mostly for the fact that you can custom cut the foam trays to fit your models. Also available from the War Store, and BattleWagon Bits.

Figures in Comfort A wide range of precut foam trays, and carrying cases for whatever your needs.


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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I was just about to make this

    Ohh well

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  • JerickJerick Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    whats this I hear about some war hams?

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    But the other one isn't closed yet!

    No, no this doesn't add up at all!!

    But yeah I don't see what's so objectionable about those Eldar box sets. They're a good deal.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    They are a good deal; just misleading. If I didn't know as much about 40k as I do, I could see myself buying that to try a relatively cheap eldar army, and then going "ayyy....wait a minute!"

    Also, I was going to title it Warhammer 40k: My Chapter Master can beat up yours

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  • EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I love the thread titles at Something Awful.

    Warhammer 40k: Even in debt, I still spend

    Warhammer 40k: Glory to the first man to buy!

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Raslin wrote: »
    They are a good deal; just misleading. If I didn't know as much about 40k as I do, I could see myself buying that to try a relatively cheap eldar army, and then going "ayyy....wait a minute!"

    Also, I was going to title it Warhammer 40k: My Chapter Master can beat up yours

    Well, they've been doing that for 20 years. That's also the "worst" of the Eldar deals, the $175 Eldar Army has $320 worth of stuff in it; that's 45% off. The Windrider host is about the same. The Battleforce and Cloudstrike Squadron sets are about 25% off.

    Seriously that Eldar Army box is an insane deal.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    BTW the third spoiler in the OP should probably be amended with information about Black Reach, since it's both available and 100 million times better than Macragge.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

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  • GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It feels good to be home again. Now back to my Tau reading... I hate you guys.

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  • CrownAxeCrownAxe Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    BTW the third spoiler in the OP should probably be amended with information about Black Reach, since it's both available and 100 million times better than Macragge.
    And don't forget the Daemons

    they have feelings too :(

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So for Tau, would the Tau Mobile Assault Cadre be worth the $325.00? Looks like a lot of useful stuff but I'm not sure. I don't want to buy it and not use a lot of the units. Am I going to want some of the Earth Caste guys or just the normal armored up Tau dudes?

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Stragint wrote: »
    So for Tau, would the Tau Mobile Assault Cadre be worth the $325.00? Looks like a lot of useful stuff but I'm not sure. I don't want to buy it and not use a lot of the units. Am I going to want some of the Earth Caste guys or just the normal armored up Tau dudes?

    It's not that great. About 23% off. The regular Battleforce box is 35% off. You'd be better of getting two of those and finishing off your army piecemeal.

    They used to have another Tau army set that was a better deal but I guess they sold out; Tau are actually pretty popular.

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    Running around and clawing eyelids
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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Oh and don't order from GW direct. If you're in the US The War Store is a fantastic online retailer, cheap flat shipping and excellent service, 20% off everything (so your Battleforces would be $72 each instead of $90). The guy who runs it is awesome; I ordered a modeling kit once that they had run out of stock on, and the guy emailed me within 20 minutes of placing my order to apologize and ask if I wanted a different, slightly more expensive kit instead. He offered to refund my shipping on the whole order regardless of whether or not I wanted to make the change (which I did) and sent me an e-mail two weeks later to ask if I was happy with his recommendation.

    I've ordered from that store three or four times, you really can't go wrong with doing business through them. You don't necessarily get the random free bits that GW Trolls stick in your box, but honestly I don't even know if they do that anymore.

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    Gim wrote: »
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    Running around and clawing eyelids
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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

    It's easier than you might think, unless you are far sighted or have arthritis.

    It's really like a 3d coloring book, and too me, it is very relaxing.

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  • GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

    It's easier than you might think, unless you are far sighted or have arthritis.

    It's really like a 3d coloring book, and too me, it is very relaxing.


    Ditto. I can sit and paint for hours. One of the most relaxing hobbies, ever.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    No thoughts on my list from the old thread?

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Gahmrious wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

    It's easier than you might think, unless you are far sighted or have arthritis.

    It's really like a 3d coloring book, and too me, it is very relaxing.


    Ditto. I can sit and paint for hours. One of the most relaxing hobbies, ever.
    Hm. The scale is very intimidating.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Gahmrious wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

    It's easier than you might think, unless you are far sighted or have arthritis.

    It's really like a 3d coloring book, and too me, it is very relaxing.


    Ditto. I can sit and paint for hours. One of the most relaxing hobbies, ever.
    Hm. The scale is very intimidating.

    Keep in mind you are working with brushes, preferably a very fine one.

    It'll be finer than a pencil or pen.

    Your hands needent' be pefectly still, you need to work in strokes anyway, to apply the paint accurately.

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  • GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I know a lot of people frown upon unpainted models, but I've seen a lot of games played with primered or grey models. I think its silly, but some people just refuse to paint.

    If thats the case I think they should just play with proxy models amongst friends. Why would anyone spend the ridiculous amounts of money for the models and not attempt to paint them nicely?


    But dont worry Danger, you will devlop a style of your own when you paint. You will figure out whats comfortable and the easiest method. I suggest just buying a few plastic models and a GW starter paint set, and get a feel for it. That way you dont invest a huge amount of cash. Besides the paints in the starter kit can be mixed around to create a range of colors.

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  • CrownAxeCrownAxe Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Gahmrious wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    So just how tiny are these tiny little figures? If tings get better financially, I might try to paint a few.

    40K scale is 25-30mm standard. Epic scale is 5mm standard.
    Man 25mm is an inch! Damn these dudes are tiny! Holy shit. Man I do not know if I have the patience or the hands for something so tiny!

    It's easier than you might think, unless you are far sighted or have arthritis.

    It's really like a 3d coloring book, and too me, it is very relaxing.


    Ditto. I can sit and paint for hours. One of the most relaxing hobbies, ever.
    Hm. The scale is very intimidating.
    Its not that bad, average model size it also varies from army to army since you also will probably have some tanks or larger models on 40mm bases and even larger

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Man, why anyone pays for the models anyway is beyond me, sure it's an enjoyable hobby but DAAAAAMN that is alot of money for an easily mass produced little plastic dude.

    I am still guilty.

    But the first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm dumb, but...

    Three marines can take perfect cover behind my mouse. Stupid, yet awesome.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Raslin wrote: »
    I'm dumb, but...

    Three marines can take perfect cover behind my mouse. Stupid, yet awesome.

    Haha

    Hey man you look at my revised IG list last thread?

    Any thoughs?

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Oh and don't order from GW direct. If you're in the US The War Store is a fantastic online retailer, cheap flat shipping and excellent service, 20% off everything (so your Battleforces would be $72 each instead of $90). The guy who runs it is awesome; I ordered a modeling kit once that they had run out of stock on, and the guy emailed me within 20 minutes of placing my order to apologize and ask if I wanted a different, slightly more expensive kit instead. He offered to refund my shipping on the whole order regardless of whether or not I wanted to make the change (which I did) and sent me an e-mail two weeks later to ask if I was happy with his recommendation.

    I've ordered from that store three or four times, you really can't go wrong with doing business through them. You don't necessarily get the random free bits that GW Trolls stick in your box, but honestly I don't even know if they do that anymore.

    Thanks for the tip to buy there. I was looking at other stuff and it seems I can get a booster box of MTG for about 30 dollars cheaper. Found a place to spend less on both of my expensive hobbies.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Take the stormtroopers as grenadiers(troop choice), unless I'm missing something blatant that would make it unfeasible. They're in a chimera, so you don't need deep strike or infiltration.

    Three ogryn in a chimera really won't do much. I'd honestly switch them and the chimera for a squad of ten and a squad of five rough riders with hunting lances. They'll keep up with the chimera's, and quite possibly tackle some big bad enemy troops while your men saunter out of their chimera's.

    Other than that, there's not much I can say outside of fundamental level stuff. I've never been able to convince myself that 60 points of guardsmen were worth putting in a 70 point chimera, when you could have another squad with a plasma or melta gun instead, but thats why I don't run mechanized.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm thinking of just dropping doctrines and going vanilla.

    Gimme a few minutes.

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  • GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm thinking of just dropping doctrines and going vanilla.

    Gimme a few minutes.

    Go chocolate. Hahah..hahahahahhahahahaa. Fuck, I need to get home.

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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There's no reason to go vanilla unless you plan on taking enough different elites/whatever choices to justify it.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Never go completely vanilla

    Always take close order drill if you have an open doctrine slot.

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  • GahmriousGahmrious Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Did you guys see the shit Ein just posted? Fucking ruined my life. Cheers, assholes.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Gahmrious wrote: »
    Did you guys see the shit Ein just posted? Fucking ruined my life. Cheers, assholes.

    Don't blame others for living in colorado :P

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Man, why anyone pays for the models anyway is beyond me, sure it's an enjoyable hobby but DAAAAAMN that is alot of money for an easily mass produced little plastic dude.

    I am still guilty.

    But the first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.

    Why does anybody pay for anything?

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    CrownAxe wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    BTW the third spoiler in the OP should probably be amended with information about Black Reach, since it's both available and 100 million times better than Macragge.
    And don't forget the Daemons

    they have feelings too :(
    Could we not have a half-assed op please? I mean, jesus Sharp, there's no e-peen cred for starting the new thread, and doing a shitty copy/paste job when there are people out there who are actually trying to fix it is pretty weak.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    EDIT: SHIT!

    Fixed again.
    [SPOILER]DOCTRINES:
    
    	Storm troopers
    	Ogryns
    	close orders
    
    HQ:
    
    Command platoon
    	Command Squad
    		Junior Officer 40
    		Honorifica Imperialas 25
    	1 fire support squad 35
    		1 heavy bolter 15
    		2 autocannons 40
    			total = 155
    
    Elite:
    
    	Storm troopers
    		Sergeant 10
    		9 Troopers 90
    		metlagun 10
    		Grenade launchers 16
    		deep strike 10
    			total = 118
    
    	Ogryns
    		x10 250
    
    Troops:
    	
    	2 infantry platoons
    
    		Command Squads x 2
    			2 Junior Officers 80
    			2 commisars 80
    
    		Infantry squads x4 240
    			grenade launchers x 4 32
    				Total = 432
    			
    
    	2 infantry platoons
    
    		Command Squads x 2
    			2 Junior Officers 80
    			2 commisars 80
    
    		Infantry squads x4 240
    			grenade launchers x 4 32
    				toatl = 432
    
    Heavy support:
    
    	2x leman russ 280
    		2x lascannon 30
    		Hunter Killer missiles 20
    			Total = 340
    
    	Basillisk 100
    
    
    
    
    fast attack:
    
    	sentinals
    		3x mars pattern 135
    
    
    
    Total = 2000[/SPOILER]
    

    How's this look?

    Let me double check the math.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Looks good to me. I'd say get rid of the hunter killers on the russes, upgrade one of the ogryns to a bone'ead, and then sprinkle bolters onto your units with access to the armoury with the other ten points, but thats just personal preference.

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Raslin wrote: »
    Looks good to me. I'd say get rid of the hunter killers on the russes, upgrade one of the ogryns to a bone'ead, and then sprinkle bolters onto your units with access to the armoury with the other ten points, but thats just personal preference.

    I'll try that if it doesn't go well.

    Which it probably won't.

    My opponent is dead set on playing Tau.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ahh.

    It would be pretty easy to build an anti-tau list, but I really hate building lists to counter friends armies. Its even cheesier than cheese. Unless they are doing it too, and let you know ahead of time :P

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  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So i picked up a black reach box, and a cadian battle force. Quick question. The orc warboss in the black reach set was a little warped and will not snap together at all, and my cadian battle force lacked the ruins. Should I email or call Games Workshop, are they likely to do anything as it was an independent retailer?

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